Re: [DNG] surf segmentation fault

[Steve Litt]

On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 20:05:57 +0100
Joachim Fahrner  wrote:

> Am 2017-03-18 18:18, schrieb Steve Litt:
> > I was hoping I could reproduce your problem. My Surf is no angel, it
> > sometimes hangs and sometimes vanishes, but it pulled up that
> > website perfectly.  
> 
> Hi Steve,
> is your system 32-bit or 64-bit? I think the issue is 32-bit related.

64 bit, and it's Surf 0.7.
 
SteveT

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[DNG] anybody going to libreplanet?

[Miles Fidelman]

Hi Folks,

I didn't see any reaction to this - which makes me wonder.. is anybody 
here going to libreplanet?  For that matter, is anybody in the Greater 
Boston area?


 forwarded message 

Author: Miles Fidelman
Date: 2017-03-15 21:49 -700
To: dng
Subject: Re: [DNG] We need to speak up
On 3/15/17 9:14 PM, Christopher Clements wrote:

>
> The exact suggestion is here:
> 
>
>> That is an excellent idea. Would be great if someone got organized
>> enough to start a dialog with EVERY upstream dev individually and/or
>> collectively. Unfortunately, that would be a mammoth task requiring
>> more time than most people could find. I've done work like that on
>> various issues and know from experience, it is a full time job.
>
> Perhaps just an open letter?
>
> It seemed relatively simple until you brought up the issue of actually
> contacting all the developers (without using debian-devel, most likely).
> I only thought about one aspect of it, and now it seems like it would
> be _impossible_ without using debian-devel or mass-mailing every single
> developer (out of the question).
>
I tried raising the question on libreplanet-discuss - asking what
uptream developers are doing now. Not a tremendous response, so far.

But maybe this would be a good workshop topic, or BOF session, at the
upcoming libreplanet conference (sponsored by the Free Software
Foundation) in Boston. It's coming up right spanking now (March 25-6),
at MIT. An awful lot of open source upstream developers show up, and
it's a good forum for discussion policy issues related to open source
software. https://www.libreplanet.org/2017/

It might be a little late to organize a formal talk or panel session,
but someone might want to give the organizers a call. BOFs are easy to
setup - see https://libreplanet.org/wiki/LibrePlanet:Conference/2017

Everyone should also join FSF and the libreplanet-discuss list.

It's generally a good time, with good people. I'm not sure I'll be able
to make it - I live in the area, but I'm currently in AZ for an extended
period, helping my 96-year-old Dad settle into a new house - not sure if
I'll be back in time.

Hopefully someone from the Devuan team will be there, and can organize
something.

Miles Fidelman


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Re: [DNG] surf segmentation fault

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-03-18 18:18, schrieb Steve Litt:

I was hoping I could reproduce your problem. My Surf is no angel, it
sometimes hangs and sometimes vanishes, but it pulled up that website
perfectly.


Hi Steve,
is your system 32-bit or 64-bit? I think the issue is 32-bit related.

Jochen

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Re: [DNG] surf segmentation fault

[Hendrik Boom]

On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 01:23:49PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 07:47:37 -0400
> 
> You can rule out plugins completely by running it with:
> 
> surf -p

Still fails:

hendrik@notlookedfor:~$ surf -p http://www.dhl.de

(surf:26064): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_window_set_events: assertion 'GDK_IS_WINDOW 
(window)' failed

(surf:26064): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_window_get_screen: assertion 'GDK_IS_WINDOW 
(window)' failed

(surf:26064): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_screen_get_resolution: assertion 
'GDK_IS_SCREEN (screen)' failed
Segmentation fault
hendrik@notlookedfor:~$ uname -a
Linux notlookedfor 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.39-1+deb8u2 (2017-03-07) 
i686 GNU/Linux
hendrik@notlookedfor:~$

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Re: [DNG] surf segmentation fault

[Steve Litt]

On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 07:47:37 -0400
Hendrik Boom  wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 07:45:49AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 11:36:11AM +0100, Joachim Fahrner wrote:  
> > > Am 18.03.2017 um 10:32 schrieb KatolaZ:  
> > > >
> > > > it loads fine over here.
> > > >
> > > > $ surf -v
> > > > surf-0.7, ©2009-2015 surf engineers, see LICENSE for details
> > > >
> > > > HND
> > > >
> > > > KatolaZ
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > 
> > > ok, I tried it on some other pc (amd64), there it works without
> > > segmentation fault. Maybe it's an issue with i386?  
> > 
> > It failed on my machine, and it's an i386 devuan xfce system.  
> 
> I have not installed plugins for surf.  But could it be finding 
> plugins installed for other browsers? 

You can rule out plugins completely by running it with:

surf -p

I ALWAYS do this, because without the -p my Surf vanishes within 5
minutes of use.

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Re: [DNG] surf segmentation fault

[Steve Litt]

On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 07:54:17 +0100
Joachim Fahrner  wrote:

> Please can someone try to load http://www.dhl.de with surf?
> I get a segmentation fault when opening this page.
> That happens woth both, the version from stable and the version from 
> backports.
> 
> Regards
> Jochen

I was hoping I could reproduce your problem. My Surf is no angel, it
sometimes hangs and sometimes vanishes, but it pulled up that website
perfectly. I tried it both with tabbed and untapped surf, and on
untabbed surf I put 12345 in the sendungsnummer field and clicked the
red thing below it, and it tried to look it up.

So we have the problem in a vice. It works for me and fails for you.
Let's exploit the differences. I see a few obvious ones:

* I compiled from scratch, you probably installed from package

* I'm on Void Linux, you're on Devuan

* I have gdb installed, you might not

Gdb is important because Surf invokes it when it encounters certain
problems. It would be pretty easy for you to compile a parallel copy,
in /usr/local/bin, naming it something different, and see whether the
same thing happens. If not start exploiting the differences til you
understand the nature of the failure.

Make sure similar problems don't occur on your other browsers with this
page. Maybe it's an indication of some system problem.

One more thing. If you really want to solve it, you could wget a copy
locally, see if the segfault occurs with that, and then by halves cut
away body code until the problem goes away, put back, and slowly narrow
it down to one piece of body code that can toggle the segfault on and
off. I'd suspect that nice rotating background.


This page is what you get when you totally prioritize pretty over
function. What a pretty page: Pretty colors, pretty women, happy
interiors, lots of content. Just one problem: It segfaults on some
users' browsers. I bet when you pull up
http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/surf.htm it doesn't segfault or do
anything stupid. That's what happens when you design for function.


SteveT

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Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here

[golinux]

On 2017-03-11 11:05, Andrew McGlashan wrote:

Hi,

On 09/03/17 04:33, goli...@dyne.org wrote:

This is a follow up to this old thread:
https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20161002.124357.7c39d049.en.html


There are lots of problems with Firefox, it seems that they actually
hate their users; but I am still a user today add-ons are being
destroyed, developer after developer keeps on throwing in the towel.

Anyway, I read this post [1], it suggests using apulse to work around
this issue -- can we have apulse with Devuan?  It might be the answer,
for FF, it appears to be PA, but underneath, we can still use ALSA.

[1] 
http://fossforce.com/2017/03/webassembly-comes-firefox/#comment-21054


Kind Regards
AndrewM




There is hope on the apulse front!  This just posted over at FDN today:

http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=639534#p639534

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Re: [DNG] surf segmentation fault

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 18.03.2017 um 13:01 schrieb Ralph Ronnquist:
> Maybe. It works for me on amd64, and seg-faults on i386. It's surf
> version 0.6; the standard apt-get gotten package for both.
> Devuan Jessie beta2.
>
> gdb (without symbols) points at an attempted call to 0xfffb

Looks like some data type mismatch in some C function call. Maybe the
problem is in webkit?

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Re: [DNG] surf segmentation fault

[Hendrik Boom]

On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 11:50:18AM +, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 07:47:37AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> 
> [cut]
> 
> > 
> > I have not installed plugins for surf.  But could it be finding 
> > plugins installed for other browsers? 
> > 
> 
> From the surf manpage:
> 
>   For using plugins in surf, first determine your running
>   architecture. Then get the appropriate plugin for that architecture
>   and copy it to /usr/lib/browser-plugins or
>   /usr/lib64/browser-plugins.  Surf should load them automatically.
>   If you want to use a 32bit plugin on a 64bit system,
>   nspluginwrapper(1) will help you.
> 
> 
> I obviously meant nspluginwrapper in my previous email, sorry :\

No nspluginwrapper package installed.  In fact, aptitude does not seem 
to think nspliginwrapper exists as an installable package, even after 
I do an aptitude update.

There are several packages whose names contain the string 
"ndiswrapper",  but none of them are installed.  Anyway, 
isn't ndiswrapper for a device driver? But I looked for it anyway.

No plugins:

endrik@notlookedfor:~$ aptitude
hendrik@notlookedfor:~$ ls /usr/lib/browser-plugins
ls: cannot access /usr/lib/browser-plugins: No such file or directory
hendrik@notlookedfor:~$ ls /usr/lib64/browser-plugins
ls: cannot access /usr/lib64/browser-plugins: No such file or directory
hendrik@notlookedfor:~$ 

So I think we can pay the plugin theory to rest.

hendrik@notlookedfor:~$ uname -a
Linux notlookedfor 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.39-1+deb8u2 
(2017-03-07) i686 GNU/Linux
hendrik@notlookedfor:~$ 

Is anyone having this problem on an 32-bit intel system?  Mine is an 
intel atom.

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Re: [DNG] surf segmentation fault

[Ralph Ronnquist]

Maybe. It works for me on amd64, and seg-faults on i386. It's surf 
version 0.6; the standard apt-get gotten package for both.

Devuan Jessie beta2.

gdb (without symbols) points at an attempted call to 0xfffb

Ralph.

Joachim Fahrner wrote on 2017-03-18 21:36:

Am 18.03.2017 um 10:32 schrieb KatolaZ:


it loads fine over here.

$ surf -v
surf-0.7, ©2009-2015 surf engineers, see LICENSE for details

HND

KatolaZ




ok, I tried it on some other pc (amd64), there it works without
segmentation fault. Maybe it's an issue with i386?


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Re: [DNG] surf segmentation fault

[KatolaZ]

On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 07:47:37AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:

[cut]

> 
> I have not installed plugins for surf.  But could it be finding 
> plugins installed for other browsers? 
> 

From the surf manpage:

  For using plugins in surf, first determine your running
  architecture. Then get the appropriate plugin for that architecture
  and copy it to /usr/lib/browser-plugins or
  /usr/lib64/browser-plugins.  Surf should load them automatically.
  If you want to use a 32bit plugin on a 64bit system,
  nspluginwrapper(1) will help you.


I obviously meant nspluginwrapper in my previous email, sorry :\

HND

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Re: [DNG] surf segmentation fault

[Hendrik Boom]

On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 07:45:49AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 11:36:11AM +0100, Joachim Fahrner wrote:
> > Am 18.03.2017 um 10:32 schrieb KatolaZ:
> > >
> > > it loads fine over here.
> > >
> > > $ surf -v
> > > surf-0.7, ©2009-2015 surf engineers, see LICENSE for details
> > >
> > > HND
> > >
> > > KatolaZ
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > ok, I tried it on some other pc (amd64), there it works without
> > segmentation fault. Maybe it's an issue with i386?
> 
> It failed on my machine, and it's an i386 devuan xfce system.

I have not installed plugins for surf.  But could it be finding 
plugins installed for other browsers? 

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Re: [DNG] surf segmentation fault

[Hendrik Boom]

On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 11:36:11AM +0100, Joachim Fahrner wrote:
> Am 18.03.2017 um 10:32 schrieb KatolaZ:
> >
> > it loads fine over here.
> >
> > $ surf -v
> > surf-0.7, ©2009-2015 surf engineers, see LICENSE for details
> >
> > HND
> >
> > KatolaZ
> >
> >
> 
> ok, I tried it on some other pc (amd64), there it works without
> segmentation fault. Maybe it's an issue with i386?

It failed on my machine, and it's an i386 devuan xfce system.

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Re: [DNG] surf segmentation fault

[Hendrik Boom]

On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 07:54:17AM +0100, Joachim Fahrner wrote:
> Please can someone try to load http://www.dhl.de with surf?
> I get a segmentation fault when opening this page.
> That happens woth both, the version from stable and the version from
> backports.

hendrik@notlookedfor:~$ surf http://www.dhl.de

(surf:9566): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_window_set_events: assertion 'GDK_IS_WINDOW 
(window)' failed

(surf:9566): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_window_get_screen: assertion 'GDK_IS_WINDOW 
(window)' failed

(surf:9566): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_screen_get_resolution: assertion 
'GDK_IS_SCREEN (screen)' failed
Segmentation fault
hendrik@notlookedfor:~$ surf -version
surf-0.7, ©2009-2015 surf engineers, see LICENSE for details
hendrik@notlookedfor:~$ 

This is the surf from backports, which I upgraded fromm stable last week.

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Re: [DNG] surf segmentation fault

[KatolaZ]

On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 11:36:11AM +0100, Joachim Fahrner wrote:
> Am 18.03.2017 um 10:32 schrieb KatolaZ:
> >
> > it loads fine over here.
> >
> > $ surf -v
> > surf-0.7, ©2009-2015 surf engineers, see LICENSE for details
> >
> > HND
> >
> > KatolaZ
> >
> >
> 
> ok, I tried it on some other pc (amd64), there it works without
> segmentation fault. Maybe it's an issue with i386?
> 

Could it be related to one of the plugins you are using? There are
some known issue with ndiswrapper...

My2Cents

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Re: [DNG] surf segmentation fault

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 18.03.2017 um 10:32 schrieb KatolaZ:
>
> it loads fine over here.
>
> $ surf -v
> surf-0.7, ©2009-2015 surf engineers, see LICENSE for details
>
> HND
>
> KatolaZ
>
>

ok, I tried it on some other pc (amd64), there it works without
segmentation fault. Maybe it's an issue with i386?

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Re: [DNG] surf segmentation fault

[KatolaZ]

On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 07:54:17AM +0100, Joachim Fahrner wrote:
> Please can someone try to load http://www.dhl.de with surf?
> I get a segmentation fault when opening this page.
> That happens woth both, the version from stable and the version from
> backports.
> 

Hi,

it loads fine over here.

$ surf -v
surf-0.7, ©2009-2015 surf engineers, see LICENSE for details

HND

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Re: [DNG] surf segmentation fault

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 19:36:50 +1100, Ralph wrote in message 
:

> The page loads "fine" for me. Same surf version. There's some few and 
> probably irrelevant log lines in the terminal, but no seg-fault.
> 
> Ralph.

..put them online somewhere and post the link here.

..I don't have surf installed yet, so I did the next 
best thing, I put http://www.dhl.de into
https://validator.w3.org/#validate_by_uri+with_options
ticking off everything but "Clean up Markup with HTML-Tidy" 
below "More Options" and got:
https://validator.w3.org/nu/?doc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dhl.de%2Fde%2Fprivatkunden.html=yes=yes=yes

..could be they don't wanna do business with people who reject ads...

> Robert Nilsson wrote on 2017-03-18 18:12:
> > On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 07:54:17AM +0100, Joachim Fahrner wrote:
> >> Please can someone try to load http://www.dhl.de with surf?
> >> I get a segmentation fault when opening this page.
> >> That happens woth both, the version from stable and the version
> >> from backports.
> >>
> >> Regards
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> > I can confirm that I get a segmentation fault as well on debian
> > jessie. surf -version
> > surf-0.6, ©2009-2012 surf engineers, see LICENSE for details
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Re: [DNG] surf segmentation fault

[Ralph Ronnquist]

The page loads "fine" for me. Same surf version. There's some few and 
probably irrelevant log lines in the terminal, but no seg-fault.


Ralph.

Robert Nilsson wrote on 2017-03-18 18:12:

On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 07:54:17AM +0100, Joachim Fahrner wrote:

Please can someone try to load http://www.dhl.de with surf?
I get a segmentation fault when opening this page.
That happens woth both, the version from stable and the version from
backports.

Regards
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Hi Jochen,

I can confirm that I get a segmentation fault as well on debian jessie.
surf -version
surf-0.6, ©2009-2012 surf engineers, see LICENSE for details

Regards

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Re: [DNG] surf segmentation fault

[Robert Nilsson]

On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 07:54:17AM +0100, Joachim Fahrner wrote:
> Please can someone try to load http://www.dhl.de with surf?
> I get a segmentation fault when opening this page.
> That happens woth both, the version from stable and the version from
> backports.
> 
> Regards
> Jochen
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Hi Jochen,

I can confirm that I get a segmentation fault as well on debian jessie.
surf -version
surf-0.6, ©2009-2012 surf engineers, see LICENSE for details

Regards

Robert

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[DNG] surf segmentation fault

[Joachim Fahrner]

Please can someone try to load http://www.dhl.de with surf?
I get a segmentation fault when opening this page.
That happens woth both, the version from stable and the version from 
backports.


Regards
Jochen

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