Re: [DNG] auto.mirror.devuan.org or us.mirror.devuan.org

[Weaver]

On 2017-08-20 13:40, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> Hi all,
> I've been wondering this for a while now, so finally figure I'd
> ask. For those of us in the U.S. is there a difference if we use
> us.mirror.devuan.org, or auto.mirror.devuan.org? If there is a
> difference, then what is it exactly? Is one recommended more than the
> other? Thanks.

Hello Greg,

At a guess, I'd say that the `auto' option would be best for laptop and
other mobiles.

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[DNG] auto.mirror.devuan.org or us.mirror.devuan.org

[Gregory Nowak]

Hi all,
I've been wondering this for a while now, so finally figure I'd
ask. For those of us in the U.S. is there a difference if we use
us.mirror.devuan.org, or auto.mirror.devuan.org? If there is a
difference, then what is it exactly? Is one recommended more than the
other? Thanks.

Greg


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Re: [DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

[Y Plentyn]

Hi.

(Hope the hacked threading works - please keep the address in Cc: there or
in To)

On 2017-08-12 16:52, Michael Siegel wrote:
> There is a pretty big (2500-3000 visitors) Linux/FOSS event taking place
> in Chemnitz (Germany) in March. It's called Chemnitzer Linux Tage
> (Chemnitz Linux Days) and has been held annually since 1999. The
> project's website can be found at
[...]

> I think it would be great if Devuan presented itself there.
[...]

> * Having a booth in the exhibition area of the building where people can
> come by, inform themselves, ask questions, obtain installation media and
> such
[...]

I might be interested in co-organizing a booth there if at least 2 more
people are willing to help.

I also set up a post in the forum
(https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1542)

I am not subscribed to the List at the Moment. It would be nice if you kept
me in the loop for a while.

cu

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[DNG] ascii kernel

[fraser kendall]

Hi Devs,

Got myself in a bit of a pickle.  Upgraded two machines (#2 and #1) from
jessie to ascii, got two different kernels (#2 got v3.16 and #1 got
v4.9) from the (.gb.mirror and .auto.mirror respectively) sources, both
machines ran into issues with boinc
(https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1139), subsequently some or
all results from machine#1 running kernel 4.9 were rejected from
the project as 'Errors'.

Problems with boinccmd not yet resolved (?MySQL and localhost), but
downgrading boinc (and libboinc7) from 7.6.33 (ascii) to 7.4.23
(jessie) got the boinc-client working normally on machine #2.

However, the v4.9 kernel on machine #1 does not load the
connection tracking modules (as from v4.7), and (?so) my iptables
ruleset was ineffective, the host key got changed and I got (ssh) locked
out of machine #1 .From the console, I found auth.log had been wiped,
and configurations had been returned to default in /etc/pam.d/login,
etc/pam.d/sshd, /etc/security/access.conf.  I repartitioned and
reinstalled jessie on machine #1.

I have upgraded kernel 3.19 to linux-libre-4.1 on 5 of the 7 devuan
machines (including machine#2 (ascii) and machine#1 (jessie) without
apparent issues, but the LTS 4.1 is only supported until september 2017
and so i'd like to upgrade to the current LTS (4.9), but need to
resolve the conntrack issue.  I posted
(https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1549) for advice but have not
yet heard back.  

I have 2 specific questions:

1) Could someone please check that the default options (=keep existing
config) in the ascii upgrade with respect to /etc/pam.d (and others)
are being applied unless specifically overridden by user?  
2) Which netfilter modules need to be loaded to restore the stateful
firewall (and thus my existing iptables ruleset)?  I can then upgrade
the ascii machine to the native (v4.9) kernel.

Sorry this post is so long, and hope that it's not inappropriate to
post it on dng: if there is a problem with the pam.d in ascii in some
environments, I judged it better to raise the issue here rather than on
the public forum.  Hope that's ok

thanks 
fraser
 
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Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

[info at smallinnovations dot nl]

On 20-08-17 00:48, Svante Signell wrote:

On Sat, 2017-08-19 at 17:23 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:

Svante, I replied to Dave's email, not to yours. I did not remove any
quoted text purportedly from you. I did not respond to your response
to Dave.

Yes, I saw that you replied to his mail, yes. And I did not say that
you removed any text from it. That was about other mails sent by other
people. I thought this was clear from the context of that mail.


Nor was your reply to Dave about network interface names new or
novel. Everyone knows Freedesktop.Org changed the names, via udev.

Not everybody knows, no. Otherwise Dave wouldn't have written that
ethernet did not work :(


It's not a huge leap to consider a move from udev to eudev could
change the names back, or to something else.

However, admit that you read my mail before sending yours. Replying to
other peoples mails is the way mail threads are created. I thought you
knew that already.

And by the way: How many packages are you responsible for/have
contributed to Devuan? I happen the be the main contributor to eudev
being available in Devuan, as well as openrc.
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Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

[Svante Signell]

On Sat, 2017-08-19 at 17:23 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> 
> Svante, I replied to Dave's email, not to yours. I did not remove any
> quoted text purportedly from you. I did not respond to your response
> to Dave.

Yes, I saw that you replied to his mail, yes. And I did not say that
you removed any text from it. That was about other mails sent by other
people. I thought this was clear from the context of that mail.

> Nor was your reply to Dave about network interface names new or
> novel. Everyone knows Freedesktop.Org changed the names, via udev. 

Not everybody knows, no. Otherwise Dave wouldn't have written that
ethernet did not work :(

> It's not a huge leap to consider a move from udev to eudev could
> change the names back, or to something else.

However, admit that you read my mail before sending yours. Replying to
other peoples mails is the way mail threads are created. I thought you
knew that already.

And by the way: How many packages are you responsible for/have
contributed to Devuan? I happen the be the main contributor to eudev
being available in Devuan, as well as openrc.
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Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

[Steve Litt]

On Sat, 19 Aug 2017 09:48:56 +0200
Svante Signell  wrote:

> On Sat, 2017-08-19 at 08:05 +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote:
> > On 18/08/2017 at 23:25, Svante Signell wrote:  
> > > 
> > > Hi Dave, did you see my mail about interfaces being renamed? This
> > > one
> > > from Steve is just adding some more info to the issue, but does
> > > not quote my message. Bad karma Steve :(  
> > 
> > 
> >   No bad karma.  Your message has:
> > 
> > From: Svante Signell 
> > To: Dave Turner ,
> > dng@lists .dyne.org
> > Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 18:34:15 +0200
> > 
> >   Steve's email has these references:
> > 
> > In-Reply-To:
> > <2d852491-36c6-a221-76f1-fa8e6a06a...@barradas.free-onli ne.co.uk>  
> 
> You missed:
> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 13:45:45 -0400 (08/18/2017 07:45:45 PM)
> 
> 13:45 UTC -400 + 6 hours = 19:45 UTC +200
> His mail was sent more than one hour later than mine.
> 
> >   As you can see, there is not your email's Message-ID, which means
> > Steve did not reply to your message or to any message that was
> > replyed to yours. For this reason Steve's email does not have your
> > message quoted.  
> 
> The above is the bad karma. He should have quoted my mail adding his
> info to what I wrote. Just simple netiquette. Others on this list does
> even worse things: They reply to somebody's mail, keeping the subject
> and totally wiping out the content of that mail in their replies.   

Cut me some slack people.

Svante, I replied to Dave's email, not to yours. I did not remove any
quoted text purportedly from you. I did not respond to your response to
Dave.

Nor was your reply to Dave about network interface names new or novel.
Everyone knows Freedesktop.Org changed the names, via udev. It's not a
huge leap to consider a move from udev to eudev could change the names
back, or to something else. I didn't try to cut you out of the
conversation or foreshorten your 15 minutes of fame, and to the extent
that I did, I'm sorry.

If ONLY this were the worst black mark on my karma!

I'm sorry. I'll try to be more careful next time. I hope we can all
keep things proportional.

SteveT
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[DNG] d1h gpg error

[Gary Olzeke]

Working through the d1h tutorial/example readme
actually using the 'adduser' example this time
'
created the g.d.o project with public access
didn't import or clone - left empty; added a previous key
tried to 9) d1h  testbuild with a previous 'key'  - failed
went back to g.d.o and created another key for the 'adduser' project
made sure it was the ~/.ssh/id_rsa file -[and not the previous key]
'
I still get this failure ::  an error E:  and an ABORT
dpkg --build debian/tmp ..
dpkg-deb: building package `adduser' in `../adduser_3.113+nmu3_all.deb'.
 dpkg-genchanges  >../adduser_3.113+nmu3_amd64.changes
dpkg-genchanges: including full source code in upload
 dpkg-source -i -I --after-build adduser
dpkg-buildpackage: full upload; Debian-native package (full source is
included)
Now running lintian...
* * * * v v v v IS THIS AN ISSUE??
E: adduser source: untranslatable-debconf-templates templates: 12
W: adduser source: debian-rules-missing-recommended-target build-indep
W: adduser source: debian-rules-missing-recommended-target build-arch
W: adduser source: ancient-standards-version 3.9.2 (current is 3.9.6)
Finished running lintian.
Now signing changes and any dsc files...
 signfile adduser_3.113+nmu3.dsc David Prévot 
gpg: skipped "David Prévot ": secret key not available
gpg: /tmp/debsign.3pPWufUB/adduser_3.113+nmu3.dsc: clearsign failed: secret
key not available
debsign: gpg error occurred!  Aborting^^ E R R O R
debuild: fatal error at line 1295:
running debsign failed
gbp:error: 'debuild -i -I' failed: it exited with 29
HEAD is now at 741d491 re-creating debian/gbp.conf for suite
suites/ascii-proposed
Removing build
Removing debian/files
Removing debian/tmp/
Removing doc/adduser.8.da
'
since it removes a bunch of files, the  10) Check the Package  fails
[which 9) Test Build  implies won't happen  - course it could be the E:
error]
'
has something changed in the last few months??

thanks for your opinion/input/experience
GaryZ
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Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

[Dave Turner]

On 18/08/17 18:45, Steve Litt wrote:

On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 16:36:12 +0100
Dave Turner  wrote:


On 18/08/17 00:22, Joel Roth wrote:

deleted /lib/udev and all the sub-directories

With eudev I have a working keyboard so today I went in and removed
/etc/systemd/* . Re-booted and I still have a working keyboard but no
network connection!

Hi Dave,

I think you have /etc/init.d/networking or something like that. This
shellscript assumes a certain name for your network interface. Your
move to eudev might have changed that name.

Perform the following command to learn interface names:

ip link

Strongarm your network name(s) into /etc/init.d/networking as needed.

If you really, really can't get /etc/init.d/networking to do the job,
here's a shellscript to bring up a wired interface to a defined IP:

#!/bin/bash
ip link set dev enp3s0 down
ip addr add 192.168.100.2/24 dev enp3s0
ip addr add 192.168.100.102/24 dev enp3s0
ip link set dev enp3s0 up
ip route add default via 192.168.100.96

Assuming your interface is named enp3s0 (and rename it if not), the
preceding script will work on any distro.

Somewhere in the past I posted, on this list, a shellscript to deduce
the name of the wired interface, and jam it into an environment
variable so it could be passed to scripts like the preceding.

If you want to boot up wifi, you need your boot to early run, *with
respawn*, wpa_supplicant, as aa daemon. This means for sysvinit put it
in /etc/inittab, not in /etc/init.d/S0whateverwpa_supplicant.

If, like me, you're willing to be disloyal to your distro, you can
start up your network trivially.


SteveT

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I'll have a go at your and Svante's suggestions probably on Sunday 
evening. Saturday and Sunday I will be putting my Harley back together 
and going for a ride.


DaveT

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Re: [DNG] suggestion

[Kees Schoenmakers]

Hi,

I see the argument for installation without network connection. But
yes, it could 'try' and it _may_ fail silently, but it tried to do
best.

Kees


On 8/18/17, Olaf Meeuwissen  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Kees Schoenmakers writes:
>
>> When I installed Devuan first time on my (recently new) hardware, I
>> was initially left with some vague information provided by 'lspci'.
>> That hindered me by searching/selecting the right
>> drivers and X configuration. I discovered the 'update_pciids' utility
>> in /usr/sbin.
>> After running that everything got more clear for me.
>>
>> "RUN the 'update_pciids' utility as part of the installation process
>> on the target!"
>
> Ditto for update-usbids, modulo most of what has been mentioned in the
> rest of the thread up to this point.
>
> Hope this helps,
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Re: [DNG] golang-1.7 considered defective as is.

[Hendrik Boom]

On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 08:52:13AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:30:01PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> 
> [cut]
> 
> > 
> > Just to me some time -- what settings are you using for critical 
> > environment variables like GOPATH and GOROOT? 
> 
> GOROOT should be the folder where go is installed.
> 
> GOPATH is the workspace where you keep your go sources. In general,
> you can have more than one workspace, so you might want to set GOPATH
> dynamically. 

I see.  go itself knows where it is and sets its own versino of the 
environment variables:

/usr/lib/go-1.7/bin/go env
GOARCH="386"
GOBIN=""
GOEXE=""
GOHOSTARCH="386"
GOHOSTOS="linux"
GOOS="linux"
GOPATH=""
GORACE=""
GOROOT="/usr/lib/go-1.7"
GOTOOLDIR="/usr/lib/go-1.7/pkg/tool/linux_386"
CC="gcc"
GOGCCFLAGS="-fPIC -m32 -pthread -fmessage-length=0 
-fdebug-prefix-map=/tmp/go-build708617863=/tmp/go-build 
-gno-record-gcc-switches"
CXX="g++"
CGO_ENABLED="1"

But Linux's regular environment is untouched.

I suppose I have to make PATH include /usr/lib/go-1.7/bin so the go 
command will work.
.
GOROOT would be /usr/lib/go-1.7 although go seems to already have 
that built in, and I'll have to set GOPATH to where I want to work 
(likely ~hendrik/dv/go).

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Re: [DNG] Git.devuan.org access via d1h

[Gary Olzeke]

I played with it some more,
looks like procedural error on my part (!my bad)
[that is part of the 'jumping in' process // learning // experience ]
'
FWIW to other users going down the path:
a) when you create a project - open it up to 'logged on users'
b) if you will be using the "ssh/ g...@git.devuan.org  for 'linking'
  you need to have a 'key logged in'
c) otherwise use the "https link" ---But you will have to enter your
  account credentials - each time git.d.o is accessed !!!
d)  I also went into one of the setup functions and turned off the
   "protected branches"  -- this may/maynot help with access
'
this is for folks doing packaging from their local repository (at home?!)

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Re: [DNG] golang-1.7 considered defective as is.

[KatolaZ]

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:30:01PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:

[cut]

> 
> Just to me some time -- what settings are you using for critical 
> environment variables like GOPATH and GOROOT? 

GOROOT should be the folder where go is installed.

GOPATH is the workspace where you keep your go sources. In general,
you can have more than one workspace, so you might want to set GOPATH
dynamically. 

My2Cents

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Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

[Svante Signell]

On Sat, 2017-08-19 at 08:05 +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote:
> On 18/08/2017 at 23:25, Svante Signell wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Dave, did you see my mail about interfaces being renamed? This
> > one
> > from Steve is just adding some more info to the issue, but does not
> > quote my message. Bad karma Steve :(
> 
> 
>   No bad karma.  Your message has:
> 
> From: Svante Signell 
> To: Dave Turner , dng@lists
> .dyne.org
> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 18:34:15 +0200
> 
>   Steve's email has these references:
> 
> In-Reply-To: <2d852491-36c6-a221-76f1-fa8e6a06a...@barradas.free-onli
> ne.co.uk>

You missed:
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 13:45:45 -0400 (08/18/2017 07:45:45 PM)

13:45 UTC -400 + 6 hours = 19:45 UTC +200
His mail was sent more than one hour later than mine.

>   As you can see, there is not your email's Message-ID, which means
> Steve did not reply to your message or to any message that was
> replyed to yours. For this reason Steve's email does not have your
> message quoted.

The above is the bad karma. He should have quoted my mail adding his
info to what I wrote. Just simple netiquette. Others on this list does
even worse things: They reply to somebody's mail, keeping the subject
and totally wiping out the content of that mail in their replies.   
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Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

[Alessandro Selli]

On 18/08/2017 at 23:25, Svante Signell wrote:
> On Fri, 2017-08-18 at 13:45 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 16:36:12 +0100
>> Dave Turner  wrote:
>>
>>> On 18/08/17 00:22, Joel Roth wrote:
 deleted /lib/udev and all the sub-directories  
>>>
>>> With eudev I have a working keyboard so today I went in and
>>> removed 
>>> /etc/systemd/* . Re-booted and I still have a working keyboard but
>>> no 
>>> network connection! 
>>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> I think you have /etc/init.d/networking or something like that. This
>> shellscript assumes a certain name for your network interface. Your
>> move to eudev might have changed that name.
>>
>> Perform the following command to learn interface names:
> 
> Hi Dave, did you see my mail about interfaces being renamed? This one
> from Steve is just adding some more info to the issue, but does not
> quote my message. Bad karma Steve :(


  No bad karma.  Your message has:

Message-ID: <1503074055.7063.25.ca...@gmail.com>
From: Svante Signell 
To: Dave Turner , dng@lists.dyne.org
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 18:34:15 +0200

  Steve's email has these references:

In-Reply-To: <2d852491-36c6-a221-76f1-fa8e6a06a...@barradas.free-online.co.uk>
References: <20170815233547.GA28662@sprite> <20170815233942.GA29197@sprite>
 <8a238764-6e27-0ea8-50ac-a2fa1e006...@barradas.free-online.co.uk>
 
 <9b6241c1-0381-00cc-8836-46d48d46c...@barradas.free-online.co.uk>
 <20170817074626.GA2638@sprite>
 
 <20170817201306.ky3kiiu2e6l2y...@angband.pl>
 
 <8eae5af0-4f55-29fc-c6c0-52c02ffb7...@barradas.free-online.co.uk>
 <20170817232245.GA11943@sprite>
 <2d852491-36c6-a221-76f1-fa8e6a06a...@barradas.free-online.co.uk>

  As you can see, there is not your email's Message-ID, which means Steve
did not reply to your message or to any message that was replyed to yours.
For this reason Steve's email does not have your message quoted.


  Regards,


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