Re: [DNG] eudev in experimental for ascii

[Alessandro Selli]

On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 11:42:04 +0100
Jaromil  wrote:

> dear DNG readers,
> 
> for those who have Devuan ASCII running, we have a package of eudev in
> experimental to test and feedback is very welcome, since this is the
> candidate package to substitute udev. eudev is maintained upstream by
> talented people at Gentoo who definitely deserve our praise.
> 
> Beware this package DOES NOT WORK ON Jessie.
> 
> For your convenience an ASCII based qcow2 image and vagrant box is
> publicly available via the DECODE project (Devuan derivative)
> https://files.dyne.org/decode/OS/
> 
> So when you are running ASCII already then all you have to do is add the
> experimental repository to your apt sources.list with this line
> 
> deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/devuan experimental   main
> 
> then apt update and 
> 
>   apt-get -t experimental install eudev
> 
> currently, the full version of the package is 3.2.2-devuan2.7
> 
> those who were already testing our eudev package need to specify the
> full version, since we are switching to correct semantic versioning
> and dropping the "220" prefix inherited by bad versioning practices in
> udev:
> 
>   apt-get -t experimental install eudev=3.2.2-devuan2.7
> 
> According to our tests it installs and it boots!

  Yep, it does the same over here!

[...]

> Among long term considerations on the advantages this move brings us,
> the immediate catch is that by installing eudev you will not see
> anymore the string "systemd" appear in your process list.

  Isn't that fantastically cool?  :-)

[...]

> Many thanks to all the Devuan team for the work being done towards
> ASCII and in particular to Parazyd and Svante Signell for maintaining
> the package and giving it the love it deserves.

  My kudos to the team!


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Re: [DNG] netiquette Was: Re: Installing & running eudev broke USB drives auto-listing in Thunar.

[Rick Moen]

Quoting Svante Signell (svante.sign...@gmail.com):

> PS: Who is the best female skier currently?

Maren Lundby, from Lillehammer!  You had to ask?  ;->

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Re: [DNG] Virtualbox?

[Gregory Nowak]

On Fri, Dec 01, 2017 at 11:34:54PM +1100, Fulano Diego Perez wrote:
> i don't get it, meaning why so many issues im having

The only issue that I'm aware of is that the kernel modules wouldn't
build for you. Installing linux-headers-amd64 should have fixed that
for you. Is this not the case? Are you having other issues besides
that? Seeing what you're trying to do and the output you get would
help.

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Re: [DNG] netiquette Was: Re: Installing & running eudev broke USB drives auto-listing in Thunar.

[Svante Signell]

On Fri, 2017-12-01 at 22:55 +, Rowland Penny wrote:

> I hope they do not learn from you, your attitude is atrocious.
> Eduardo has a valid problem and perhaps he isn't replying in exactly
> the way you want, but so what, be polite and ask again in plain
> questions for what you need to try and help him. Probably English
> isn't Eduardo's first language, so cut him some slack, but most of
> all, don't try and force your 'netiquette' on others.

Eduardos problems is not English for sure. I replied twice, and gave
him the answers he wanted. What else? Regarding his ways of replying,
just search the DNG mailing list logs.
  
> > 
> > PS: Who is the best female skier currently?
> 
> I couldn't care less who the best female downhill leg breaker is, it
> has nothing to do with this list.

That was meant to the Norwegian guy who replied, just ignore it. If you
cannot take a joke, you have no humor :(

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Re: [DNG] netiquette

[Svante Signell]

On Fri, 2017-12-01 at 23:44 +0100, Antony Stone wrote:
> On Friday 01 December 2017 at 23:10:10, Svante Signell wrote:
> 
> > PS: Who is the best female skier currently?
> 
> Downhill, slalom, cross-country, or other?

Ah, I thought merely about cross-country. You know, Norway always
claims to be best, but maybe other countries are competitive. But for
sprint skiing Sweden is best, even though a Norwegian jente won last
year :( Downhill, slalom, etc is another story :), what about
freeskiing? 
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Re: [DNG] netiquette Was: Re: Installing & running eudev broke USB drives auto-listing in Thunar.

[Rowland Penny]

On Fri, 01 Dec 2017 23:10:10 +0100
Svante Signell  wrote:

> On Fri, 2017-12-01 at 21:55 +, Olav Selseng Vestreim wrote:
> > On Friday 1. December 2017 11.10.57 Svante Signell wrote:
> > > Hi again,
> > > 
> > > This is a last warning. If you are continuing to not quote
> > > previous mails,
> > > I'll never reply to a posting from you again. Learn some
> > > netiquette!
> > > 
> > > Again, you have to compare with the files with systemd-udev
> > > installed. (Or search in the *.deb files)
> 
> > Hei Svante.
> > 
> > This reply to Edward seemed a bit harsh; it might be that he didn't
> > cope with the technicality of your reply, or a whole range of other
> > possible  misunderstandings, one way or the other. If you don't get
> > the reply you expected, it doesn't mean it's intended to be so.;
> > intended bad behaviour or whatever.
> > 
> > This should be a nice place to ask for help!
> 
> Hi Olav,
> 
> This is not the first posting from Eduardo to this list. He still has
> not learned netiquette, a very sad story. Sorry for raising this issue
> now, I just couldn't wait any longer. Regarding technicalities we are
> speaking about he is fully aware.
> 
> Additionally, there are still a number of contributors to this list
> that has to be taught netiquette too. No names released here, but you
> offenders all know who you are. Sorry, I'd hoped for people on this
> list (and other Devuan lists) to know how to send and reply to
> mails :(

I hope they do not learn from you, your attitude is atrocious.
Eduardo has a valid problem and perhaps he isn't replying in exactly
the way you want, but so what, be polite and ask again in plain
questions for what you need to try and help him. Probably English
isn't Eduardo's first language, so cut him some slack, but most of
all, don't try and force your 'netiquette' on others.
  
> 
> PS: Who is the best female skier currently?
>

I couldn't care less who the best female downhill leg breaker is, it
has nothing to do with this list.

Rowland


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Re: [DNG] netiquette

[Antony Stone]

On Friday 01 December 2017 at 23:10:10, Svante Signell wrote:

> PS: Who is the best female skier currently?

Downhill, slalom, cross-country, or other?

Antony.

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[DNG] netiquette Was: Re: Installing & running eudev broke USB drives auto-listing in Thunar.

[Svante Signell]

On Fri, 2017-12-01 at 21:55 +, Olav Selseng Vestreim wrote:
> On Friday 1. December 2017 11.10.57 Svante Signell wrote:
> > Hi again,
> > 
> > This is a last warning. If you are continuing to not quote previous
> > mails,
> > I'll never reply to a posting from you again. Learn some
> > netiquette!
> > 
> > Again, you have to compare with the files with systemd-udev
> > installed. (Or search in the *.deb files)

> Hei Svante.
> 
> This reply to Edward seemed a bit harsh; it might be that he didn't
> cope with the technicality of your reply, or a whole range of other
> possible  misunderstandings, one way or the other. If you don't get
> the reply you expected, it doesn't mean it's intended to be so.;
> intended bad behaviour or whatever.
> 
> This should be a nice place to ask for help!

Hi Olav,

This is not the first posting from Eduardo to this list. He still has
not learned netiquette, a very sad story. Sorry for raising this issue
now, I just couldn't wait any longer. Regarding technicalities we are
speaking about he is fully aware.

Additionally, there are still a number of contributors to this list
that has to be taught netiquette too. No names released here, but you
offenders all know who you are. Sorry, I'd hoped for people on this
list (and other Devuan lists) to know how to send and reply to mails :(

PS: Who is the best female skier currently?
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Re: [DNG] Installing & running eudev broke USB drives auto-listing in Thunar.

[Olav Selseng Vestreim]

On Friday 1. December 2017 11.10.57 Svante Signell wrote:
> Hi again,
> 
> This is a last warning. If you are continuing to not quote previous mails,
> I'll never reply to a posting from you again. Learn some netiquette!
> 
> On Fri, 2017-12-01 at 10:46 +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> > These are the results.
> 
> For what? With udev installed (which eudev version are you comparing with,
> now asked twice) or eudev?
> 
> > The first listing lists only two files while
> > the second lists all files.
> > 
> > edbarx@edbarx-pc3:~$ find /lib/udev/rules.d/ -name '*usb*'
> > /lib/udev/rules.d/39-usbmuxd.rules
> > /lib/udev/rules.d/73-usb-net-by-mac.rules
> 
> Looking further to the *usb* files on my box shows:
> (I had to go back to my reply to you to compare the lists, see above!!!)
> 
> dpkg -S /lib/udev/rules.d/*usb*
> usbmuxd: /lib/udev/rules.d/39-usbmuxd.rules
> usb-modeswitch-data: /lib/udev/rules.d/40-usb_modeswitch.rules
> eudev: /lib/udev/rules.d/73-usb-net-by-mac.rules
> modemmanager: /lib/udev/rules.d/77-mm-usb-device-blacklist.rules
> modemmanager: /lib/udev/rules.d/77-mm-usb-serial-adapters-greylist.rules
> 
> They are probably not related to you problems.
> 
> > edbarx@edbarx-pc3:~$ find /lib/udev/hwdb.d/ -name '*usb*'
> > /lib/udev/hwdb.d/20-usb-classes.hwdb
> > /lib/udev/hwdb.d/20-usb-vendor-model.hwdb
> 
> Same result then, both are from eudev.
> 
> > Plugging in a USB thumbdrive, a new device name sdb1 was listed
> > automatically under /dev. Using this with mount as root I could browse
> > the contents of the USB thumbdrive in a terminal using cd and ls.
> > 
> > I also cannot mount camera memory cards. Maybe this issue is due to
> > the fact that the hardware was not recognised by the kernel.
> 
> Again, you have to compare with the files with systemd-udev installed. (Or
> search in the *.deb files)
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Hei Svante.

This reply to Edward seemed a bit harsh; it might be that he didn't cope with 
the technicality of your reply, or a whole range of other possible 
misunderstandings, one way or the other.
If you don't get the reply you expected, it doesn't mean it's intended to be 
so.; intended bad behaviour or whatever.

This should be a nice place to ask for help!

Cheers,
Olav:)


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Re: [DNG] Virtualbox?

[Fulano Diego Perez]

Gregory Nowak:
> On Fri, Dec 01, 2017 at 03:16:58PM +1100, Fulano Diego Perez wrote:
>> linux-headers-3.16.0-4-all
>> linux-headers-3.16.0-4-all-amd64
>> linux-headers-amd64
>> linux-source-3.16
>> virtualbox-dkms - previously installed
>>
>> i dont get it
> 
> What don't you get exactly, which one to install, or something else?
> If it's a question of what to install, then linux-headers-amd64 is a
> meta package which will pull in everything you need to build modules
> for the latest kernel, 3.16 in the case of Jessie. That should be
> enough for what you need. I'm not sure what the
> linux-headers-all-amd64 provides, but linux-headers-amd64 has been
> enough for me up to this point. Your mileage may vary of course.

all above are installed

i don't get it, meaning why so many issues im having

stock jessie according to olaf:

> Using the virtualbox package from either jessie (4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1)
> or jessie-backports (5.1.8-dfsg-6~bpo8+2) with a stock linux-image-amd64
> (3.16+63) from jessie works fine.  That is, it installs without errors
> and virtualbox images start fine (based on my provisioning Debian jessie
> images and ssh-ing into them).

suggesting my mileage has problems that i cant fathom

am i missing something ?


> 
> Greg


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Re: [DNG] Installing & running eudev broke USB drives auto-listing in Thunar.

[Svante Signell]

Hi again,

This is a last warning. If you are continuing to not quote previous mails, I'll
never reply to a posting from you again. Learn some netiquette!

On Fri, 2017-12-01 at 10:46 +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> These are the results. 

For what? With udev installed (which eudev version are you comparing with, now
asked twice) or eudev?

> The first listing lists only two files while
> the second lists all files.
> 
> edbarx@edbarx-pc3:~$ find /lib/udev/rules.d/ -name '*usb*'
> /lib/udev/rules.d/39-usbmuxd.rules
> /lib/udev/rules.d/73-usb-net-by-mac.rules

Looking further to the *usb* files on my box shows:
(I had to go back to my reply to you to compare the lists, see above!!!)

dpkg -S /lib/udev/rules.d/*usb*
usbmuxd: /lib/udev/rules.d/39-usbmuxd.rules
usb-modeswitch-data: /lib/udev/rules.d/40-usb_modeswitch.rules
eudev: /lib/udev/rules.d/73-usb-net-by-mac.rules
modemmanager: /lib/udev/rules.d/77-mm-usb-device-blacklist.rules
modemmanager: /lib/udev/rules.d/77-mm-usb-serial-adapters-greylist.rules

They are probably not related to you problems.

> edbarx@edbarx-pc3:~$ find /lib/udev/hwdb.d/ -name '*usb*'
> /lib/udev/hwdb.d/20-usb-classes.hwdb
> /lib/udev/hwdb.d/20-usb-vendor-model.hwdb

Same result then, both are from eudev.

> Plugging in a USB thumbdrive, a new device name sdb1 was listed
> automatically under /dev. Using this with mount as root I could browse
> the contents of the USB thumbdrive in a terminal using cd and ls.
> 
> I also cannot mount camera memory cards. Maybe this issue is due to
> the fact that the hardware was not recognised by the kernel.

Again, you have to compare with the files with systemd-udev installed. (Or
search in the *.deb files)
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[DNG] Installing & running eudev broke USB drives auto-listing in Thunar.

[Edward Bartolo]

These are the results. The first listing lists only two files while
the second lists all files.

edbarx@edbarx-pc3:~$ find /lib/udev/rules.d/ -name '*usb*'
/lib/udev/rules.d/39-usbmuxd.rules
/lib/udev/rules.d/73-usb-net-by-mac.rules

edbarx@edbarx-pc3:~$ find /lib/udev/hwdb.d/ -name '*usb*'
/lib/udev/hwdb.d/20-usb-classes.hwdb
/lib/udev/hwdb.d/20-usb-vendor-model.hwdb

Plugging in a USB thumbdrive, a new device name sdb1 was listed
automatically under /dev. Using this with mount as root I could browse
the contents of the USB thumbdrive in a terminal using cd and ls.

I also cannot mount camera memory cards. Maybe this issue is due to
the fact that the hardware was not recognised by the kernel.
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Re: [DNG] Installing & running eudev broke USB drives auto-listing in Thunar.

[Svante Signell]

On Fri, 2017-12-01 at 09:31 +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> This installation was done on ASCII.
> 
> Before this installation Thunar used to auto-list USB thumbdrives.
> Running pstree shown udevd is running instead of eudevd although I do
> not know whether eudev and udev use exactly the same name for the
> daemon.
> 
> Any help will make a difference. Thanks goes to all who try to give me hints.

Hi Edward,

The eudev running daemon is udevd, not eudevd. So your observation is correct.

Regarding USB devices take a look at these files

find /lib/udev/rules.d/  -name '*usb*'
/lib/udev/rules.d/40-usb_modeswitch.rules
/lib/udev/rules.d/77-mm-usb-serial-adapters-greylist.rules
/lib/udev/rules.d/39-usbmuxd.rules
/lib/udev/rules.d/73-usb-net-by-mac.rules
/lib/udev/rules.d/77-mm-usb-device-blacklist.rules

find /lib/udev/hwdb.d/ -name '*usb*'
/lib/udev/hwdb.d/20-usb-classes.hwdb
/lib/udev/hwdb.d/20-usb-vendor-model.hwdb

and compare with the ones in systemd-udev, version???

Maybe the devices are greylisted or blacklisted, see above.
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[DNG] Installing & running eudev broke USB drives auto-listing in Thunar.

[Edward Bartolo]

This installation was done on ASCII.

Before this installation Thunar used to auto-list USB thumbdrives.
Running pstree shown udevd is running instead of eudevd although I do
not know whether eudev and udev use exactly the same name for the
daemon.

Any help will make a difference. Thanks goes to all who try to give me hints.
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