Re: [DNG] URL - The importance of Devuan

[Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI]

On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 19:50:56 +0100
Antony Stone  wrote:

> > Oh, come on. Have some sense of humour! Didn't you see the sarcasm in
> > my comment?  
> 
> Email is a notoriously bad medium for conveying tone of voice.

so next time use a tag.

 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
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Re: [DNG] URL - The importance of Devuan

[Antony Stone]

On Tuesday 12 December 2017 at 19:29:43, Edward Bartolo wrote:

> On 12/12/2017, Ralph Ronnquist  wrote:
> > Edward Bartolo wrote on 12/12/17 07:30:
> >> 
> >> Those are not "bugs" but new features. That is the reason for "wontfix".
> > 
> > Run along, Wally. Let the grown-ups talk.
> 
> Oh, come on. Have some sense of humour! Didn't you see the sarcasm in
> my comment?

Email is a notoriously bad medium for conveying tone of voice.


Antony.

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[DNG] URL - The importance of Devuan

[Edward Bartolo]

On 12/12/2017, Ralph Ronnquist  wrote:
> Edward Bartolo wrote on 12/12/17 07:30:
>> On 11/12/2017, goli...@dyne.org  wrote:
>>> On 2017-12-11 14:06, Nate Bargmann wrote:
 * On 2017 11 Dec 10:13 -0600, Didier Kryn wrote:
> This is the original saling argument, but it is wrong. Several persons
> have already reported that Devuan's sysvinit booted faster than
> Debian's systemd.

 It seems that as SD subsumes more and more services it would naturally
 slow down.  Especially when one considers that the replaced services
 have been around for years, or even decades and are likely quite well
 debugged and optimized while the SD replacements are new code with a
 lot
 maturation needed.

 - Nate
>>>
>>> And since the "bugs" are often considered wontfix "features", don't
>>> expect it to get any better.
>>>
>>
>> Those are not "bugs" but new features. That is the reason for "wontfix".
>
> Run along, Wally. Let the grown-ups talk.
>

Oh, come on. Have some sense of humour! Didn't you see the sarcasm in
my comment?
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[DNG] mondoarchive

[etech3]

Doing a test on Devuan Jessie installing mondoarchive. Anybody got any 
tips or suggestions? This is on a real box not VPS.


Is star package the same as staruml? Where to install start?

Thanks
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Re: [DNG] URL - The importance of Devuan

[Steve Litt]

On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 09:11:57 +0100
Didier Kryn  wrote:

> Le 11/12/2017 à 11:48, KatolaZ a écrit :
> > Related:
> >
> >
> > https://linux.slashdot.org/story/17/12/11/0049245/does-systemd-makes-linux-complex-error-prone-and-unstable
> >   
> 
>      Interesting: one of the comments almost suggests that Emacs
> might be used as an init system :-))

While we're on the subject of systemd and Emacs, some people use the
existence of Emacs as a justification for systemd. This is a false
equivalence. For the equivalence to be true, Emacs would need to:

1) Install in a way that made use of Vim, and many other programs,
impossible

2) Influence lots of other projects not to run without Emacs installed,
so that to install those projects, you'd need to install Emacs and
therefore never be able to use Vim or many other programs.

You know it's funny. In 2013 I banished all KDE programs and libraries
from all my computers, permanently. I did this for the same technical
reason as systemd: monolithic entanglement. Yet I spend little time
criticizing KDE. KDE's no threat to me: I'm free not to use it. On any
distro. The fact that I have a choice is the crucial distinction.
 
SteveT

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Re: [DNG] URL - The importance of Devuan

[Clarke Sideroad]

On 12/12/17 02:25 AM, Lars Noodén wrote:

Yet, as is their habit, their response is to go ad hominem rather than
address the points made.  Money is a great motivator for company
managers, especially at the C level.  M$ pointed out ages, albeit
inadvertently via leaked documents, that any company that can grab hold
of "Linux" and make it effectively proprietary can lock up the market.
Specifically I mean the Halloween Documents which have turned out to be
quite accurate.  So as to following the money trail, it looks like Red
Hat is using the strategy and goal lined up in the first Halloween
Document.  So, if nothing else, Devuan is important in that it prevents
Red Hat from decommoditizing Linux completely.  Unfortunately that also
makes Devuan very visible to opponents of general purpose computing.


I read this the other day and it made me think of systemd phenomena.
https://boingboing.net/2017/12/06/the-unknown-unknowns.html

Clarke


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Re: [DNG] URL - The importance of Devuan

[Didier Kryn]

Le 11/12/2017 à 11:48, KatolaZ a écrit :

Related:

   
https://linux.slashdot.org/story/17/12/11/0049245/does-systemd-makes-linux-complex-error-prone-and-unstable


    Interesting: one of the comments almost suggests that Emacs might 
be used as an init system :-))


    Note: Don't take me wrong; I use only the very basic features of 
Emacs and am always embarassed when I need to configure it; therefore I 
do not support using it as PID1; it would be an Emacs/Lisp expert's 
fancy, and yet be better than SD.


    Didier


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