Re: [DNG] Excessive Bounces
On 29/10/2018 02:40, Linux O'Beardly wrote: Hey all, Is anyone else using a gmail account getting excessive bounce errors from the DNG mailing list? It keeps locking out my account. I'm not having any issues with any of my other mailing lists. Happened to me too. Bye! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] XFCE : can't open xsession-errors anymore (invalid UTF-8)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 *Big Thanks* @all at first for help and clue Dear readers, Am 26.10.18 um 20:21 schrieb Michael K.: > Hey List readers, abstract: i can open my ".xsession-error" File whit: Emacs, NANO and also the MC or wxHex i make a "backup" of my ol' xsession-error file i make a log-of/on on my "Xsession" (to get a new xsession-error file) i can open my xsession-error file in my IDE ... (again) Hint: i don't edit my DOTxsession-erorr File, i only observe it by work. And for me the easy way to do this, is a new "Tab" in my default IDE. (Geany) > USER@deskt0p:~$ stat .xsession-errors Datei: .xsession-errors > Größe: 2508836Blöcke: 4912 EA Block: 4096 reguläre > Datei Gerät: fe01h/65025d Inode: 21233736Verknüpfungen: 1 > Zugriff: (0600/-rw---) Uid: ( 1000/ USER) Gid: ( 1000/ > USER) Zugriff: 2018-10-26 19:22:01.059698862 +0200 Modifiziert: > 2018-10-28 12:53:06.735892443 +0100 Geändert : 2018-10-28 > 12:53:06.735892443 +0100 Geburt: - USER@deskt0p:~$ hexdump -n 3 > -C .xsession-errors 58 73 65 > |Xse| 0003 USER@deskt0p:~$ i will observe, if thus happend again thanks for help michael - -- GnuPG Fingerprint: CF03 FC32 381F 7D6C 1734 8641 E4D8 5081 5E05 B5AE Zombie-News - cacn.de -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEzwP8MjgffWwXNIZB5NhQgV4Fta4FAlvVsY4ACgkQ5NhQgV4F ta4EkBAAj2tmotHO3faEmKQcZXxmE0E2uOEBzIdthCLiktGqsMEVxL0QuPB1zAsO NxBULsUzDKcTYJokYZZvel012W5C/wRaVUpMYBUx/IL0oKO21bppcs+600Y7Vvz/ jkx5Z8EFFjwy3rB9EqftC0Y6CmW3gvckg3uGi47d7YMFWgLlX6lXOUQqasDGhu2t 7UzpGMk3zKWgjeMUVBVbeSx8MiDcLmrrAuuaGYJeyX5OSBiCOsx8nS2fz6W93s41 6aPOd/IPmkJmSTF0w3xk7oOMEE+8rughZ6X6OPbniiSst4NNTMCRIJtDa1MbtDMX E0pvVADqQvP8yEoy9hmGrCgoyLVrLZq29UplMVFyid4KV67yMDPi7ibiZgr3tA+r HlNOzpubOxdPLHB9n0wREZ70wgz1H8ALWdcKw5wtghuYBt0zUQqaGils7mdGffqL xnWLYADjdxB74ICzzWL5torIPvtKmID5BOSSxxDCBRBKQ8ykkuRhha1L4LmX/aut 6lx5HlRfqlWbLIA3WdVZvlwLl0It+WKyN4syCaxLDc0MEzcx97yA9b7rOZFiiGrl WLqDOW5VLZPPPC+cwviuAS8zVR/palxPQ633bKudnxcuw0vUoPc9imAhMiUWuwSZ XJi5jZNo0IZRycUsBIgMqutr7Qcz5le2yGczPDEM73Ruy9fwfvA= =dtZ8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A shift in systemd development
* On 2018 29 Oct 17:09 -0500, Rowland Penny wrote: > On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 17:02:30 -0500 > goli...@dyne.org wrote: > > > OK. Having no idea what an S/390 system is (except for a scan of the > > wikipedia page), I'm hoping that someone can 'splain how this will > > affect community based Linux and everyone who jumped on the systemd > > bandwagon: > > > > - > > Lennart Poettering > > @pid_eins > > > > As you all know we never have been fans of portability. It will come > > at no surprise that in light of the recent developments we will > > discontinue all non-S/390 ports of systemd very soon now. Please make > > sure to upgrade to an S/390 system soon. Thank you for understanding. > > > > https://twitter.com/pid_eins/status/1056924336349691905 > > > > It wont do anything, he is trying to be funny and like systemd, > failing. Actually, I did chuckle as I got the joke. Maybe my German ancestry helped. Dunno. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: http://www.n0nb.us GPG key: D55A8819 GitHub: N0NB signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A shift in systemd development
It's a joke, son. On 10/29/18 6:02 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote: OK. Having no idea what an S/390 system is (except for a scan of the wikipedia page), I'm hoping that someone can 'splain how this will affect community based Linux and everyone who jumped on the systemd bandwagon: - Lennart Poettering @pid_eins As you all know we never have been fans of portability. It will come at no surprise that in light of the recent developments we will discontinue all non-S/390 ports of systemd very soon now. Please make sure to upgrade to an S/390 system soon. Thank you for understanding. https://twitter.com/pid_eins/status/1056924336349691905 - ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A shift in systemd development
Quoting goli...@dyne.org (goli...@dyne.org): > OK. Having no idea what an S/390 system is (except for a scan of > the wikipedia page), I'm hoping that someone can 'splain how this > will affect community based Linux and everyone who jumped on the > systemd bandwagon: It's a jackassical attempt at humor, as others have said. IBM System 390 was a 1990s series of models of what used to be called mainframes (though now _way_ smaller than they used to be), with their own chip architure. It was replaced in the 2000s by the IBM zSeries family (which then got other similar names with 'Z' in them, whenever IBM Marketing department got twitchy and decided to rebrand a little). zSeries is 64-bit, and I vaguely recall that being one difference from the related S/390 series that preceded it, but they're closely related. The Linux relevance is that there have for a very long time been ports to S/390 boxen and to zSystems, including an official Debian port that as of Debian 9 'strech' drops the 32-bit 'ESA/390 mode' support and requires support of 'Z/Architecture', which AFAIK is mostly or entirely about that type of 64-bit operation. (I'm vague on the fine details of these, and if someone on Dng really thinks it's worth time gnawing on fine details that I've failed to cover with excruciating exactitude, about which I could not possibly be arsed to research fully, you'll earn a virtual cookie and a vitual pat on your little OCD head.) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [devuan-dev] A shift in systemd development
Lennart has a sense of humor? That's a little too much of an in joke for me. Went right over my head . . . On 2018-10-29 17:10, Daniel Reurich wrote: I'm sure that's a joke relating to Redhat being bought out by IBM ... On 30/10/18 11:02, goli...@dyne.org wrote: OK. Having no idea what an S/390 system is (except for a scan of the wikipedia page), I'm hoping that someone can 'splain how this will affect community based Linux and everyone who jumped on the systemd bandwagon: - Lennart Poettering @pid_eins As you all know we never have been fans of portability. It will come at no surprise that in light of the recent developments we will discontinue all non-S/390 ports of systemd very soon now. Please make sure to upgrade to an S/390 system soon. Thank you for understanding. https://twitter.com/pid_eins/status/1056924336349691905 - ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [devuan-dev] A shift in systemd development
I'm sure that's a joke relating to Redhat being bought out by IBM ... On 30/10/18 11:02, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > OK. Having no idea what an S/390 system is (except for a scan of the > wikipedia page), I'm hoping that someone can 'splain how this will > affect community based Linux and everyone who jumped on the systemd > bandwagon: > > - > Lennart Poettering > @pid_eins > > As you all know we never have been fans of portability. It will come at > no surprise that in light of the recent developments we will discontinue > all non-S/390 ports of systemd very soon now. Please make sure to > upgrade to an S/390 system soon. Thank you for understanding. > > https://twitter.com/pid_eins/status/1056924336349691905 > > - > ___ > devuan-dev internal mailing list > devuan-...@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devuan-dev -- Daniel Reurich Centurion Computer Technology (2005) Ltd. 021 797 722 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A shift in systemd development
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 17:02:30 -0500 goli...@dyne.org wrote: > OK. Having no idea what an S/390 system is (except for a scan of the > wikipedia page), I'm hoping that someone can 'splain how this will > affect community based Linux and everyone who jumped on the systemd > bandwagon: > > - > Lennart Poettering > @pid_eins > > As you all know we never have been fans of portability. It will come > at no surprise that in light of the recent developments we will > discontinue all non-S/390 ports of systemd very soon now. Please make > sure to upgrade to an S/390 system soon. Thank you for understanding. > > https://twitter.com/pid_eins/status/1056924336349691905 > It wont do anything, he is trying to be funny and like systemd, failing. Rowland ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A shift in systemd development
On 10/29/18 3:02 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote: OK. Having no idea what an S/390 system is (except for a scan of the wikipedia page), I'm hoping that someone can 'splain how this will affect community based Linux and everyone who jumped on the systemd bandwagon: - Lennart Poettering @pid_eins As you all know we never have been fans of portability. It will come at no surprise that in light of the recent developments we will discontinue all non-S/390 ports of systemd very soon now. Please make sure to upgrade to an S/390 system soon. Thank you for understanding. https://twitter.com/pid_eins/status/1056924336349691905 - ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng What that tweet means is he can anticipate encouragement to leave RH shortly ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] The D in Systemd stands for 'Dammmmit!'
Hi, On 10/29/2018 09:37 PM, Daniel Abrecht wrote: On 27/10/2018 19.38, Steve Litt wrote: I say: You must use strncpy()/strncat() because strcpy()/strcat() are soo old. What's it been now, 30 years since the strn versions of those commands have been around? You'd think they'd have taken that in and adopted it by now. But no! strcpy/strcat can be used safely if the length of the strings beforehand is checked properly. I've seen people changing perfectly fine code because some tool warned about functions being unsave, and then introducing bugs in the process I had to fix afterwards. There was an instance where some combination of strlen and strcpy was replaced by a strncpy, and of course they forgot that strncpy doesn't add the null byte if the buffer is full, and they missed that it fills the remaining buffer with null bytes otherwise too. Sure strcpy is dangerous, but strncpy isn't any better either. In fact, most things in c involving pointers and/or arrays are dangerous to do, it's easy to misunderstand semantics and intent of such code. I think strlcpy/strlcat are the functions which are the easiest to not use wrongly, but sadly they are non-standard, and even with those, people will still manage to make mistakes. I have had a lot of memory problems with both strcpy and strcat working on simple-netaid: https://git.devuan.org/aitor_czr/simple-netaid-gtk/blob/master/backend_src/netstat.c I reached into things like: *(my_data.wired_device)='\0'; Cheers, Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] A shift in systemd development
OK. Having no idea what an S/390 system is (except for a scan of the wikipedia page), I'm hoping that someone can 'splain how this will affect community based Linux and everyone who jumped on the systemd bandwagon: - Lennart Poettering @pid_eins As you all know we never have been fans of portability. It will come at no surprise that in light of the recent developments we will discontinue all non-S/390 ports of systemd very soon now. Please make sure to upgrade to an S/390 system soon. Thank you for understanding. https://twitter.com/pid_eins/status/1056924336349691905 - ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] The D in Systemd stands for 'Dammmmit!'
On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 01:28:02PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Daniel Taylor (ran...@argle.org): > > > They do, but that's not an excuse for using strcpy(). > > > > Which they did. > > Of course, obviously. You _are_ aware I was merely trying to help by > pointing out that strncpy (etc.) is suboptimal, right? Well, it is possible to use strcpy() right. On the other hand, _every_ use of strncpy() for a C string is a bug. There are three possibilities: A> either the string does overflow B> or it doesn't C> you know the string's length beforehand If A>, then you have a nasty non-terminated string that can't be passed to any function expecting a C string (resulting in a read overflow). Yay a security hole, crash, or at least corrupted data. If B>, you waste time clearing the buffer. As there's a static size (otherwide it'd be C>), there's a good deal of headway. In a typical case (judging from programs I looked at) you have a string of twelve bytes in a buffer of 2K... and a clear every single copy. Yay significant slowdown. If C>, you should have used memcpy() instead. Scanning for a 0 is slower than a blind loop. On the other hand, snprintf(), strlcpy() and so on do what naive intuition says strncpy() would do. Meow! -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ Have you heard of the Amber Road? For thousands of years, the ⣾⠁⢰⠒⠀⣿⡁ Romans and co valued amber, hauled through the Europe over the ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ mountains and along the Vistula, from Gdańsk. To where it came ⠈⠳⣄ together with silk (judging by today's amber stalls). ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] The D in Systemd stands for 'Dammmmit!'
On 27/10/2018 19.38, Steve Litt wrote: I say: You must use strncpy()/strncat() because strcpy()/strcat() are soo old. What's it been now, 30 years since the strn versions of those commands have been around? You'd think they'd have taken that in and adopted it by now. But no! strcpy/strcat can be used safely if the length of the strings beforehand is checked properly. I've seen people changing perfectly fine code because some tool warned about functions being unsave, and then introducing bugs in the process I had to fix afterwards. There was an instance where some combination of strlen and strcpy was replaced by a strncpy, and of course they forgot that strncpy doesn't add the null byte if the buffer is full, and they missed that it fills the remaining buffer with null bytes otherwise too. Sure strcpy is dangerous, but strncpy isn't any better either. In fact, most things in c involving pointers and/or arrays are dangerous to do, it's easy to misunderstand semantics and intent of such code. I think strlcpy/strlcat are the functions which are the easiest to not use wrongly, but sadly they are non-standard, and even with those, people will still manage to make mistakes. Regards, Daniel Abrecht ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] The D in Systemd stands for 'Dammmmit!'
Quoting Daniel Taylor (ran...@argle.org): > They do, but that's not an excuse for using strcpy(). > > Which they did. Of course, obviously. You _are_ aware I was merely trying to help by pointing out that strncpy (etc.) is suboptimal, right? > Helper libraries are awesome, as long as they are also well written. That's nice. Any you wish to recommend, or is this just a protracted exercise in telling us what we already know? -- Cheers, I could maybe do one pilate. Rick Moen -- Matt Watson (@biorhythmist) r...@linuxmafia.com McQ! (4x80) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] The D in Systemd stands for 'Dammmmit!'
On 10/29/18 2:59 PM, Rick Moen wrote: FWIW, strncpy()/strncat() were a huge advance over strcpy()/strcat(), but also have their own problems: https://blog.liw.fi/posts/strncpy/ https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/ifje6/strncpy_just_say_no/ They do, but that's not an excuse for using strcpy(). Which they did. Author Lars Wirzenius (one of our Linux tribal elders!) recommends instead snprintf (but it has the problem of being slower than alternatives), or, better in his eyes, using a well-written helper library instead. (Lots more opinions at the Reddit thread.) Helper libraries are awesome, as long as they are also well written. -- Daniel Taylor ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] The D in Systemd stands for 'Dammmmit!'
Quoting Dave Turner (dave_t_tur...@barradas.free-online.co.uk): > >>I say: You must use strncpy()/strncat() because strcpy()/strcat() are > >> soo old. > I still have a copy of the paper that brought strncpy / strncat to > the world's attention all those years ago. FWIW, strncpy()/strncat() were a huge advance over strcpy()/strcat(), but also have their own problems: https://blog.liw.fi/posts/strncpy/ https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/ifje6/strncpy_just_say_no/ Author Lars Wirzenius (one of our Linux tribal elders!) recommends instead snprintf (but it has the problem of being slower than alternatives), or, better in his eyes, using a well-written helper library instead. (Lots more opinions at the Reddit thread.) -- Cheers, I could maybe do one pilate. Rick Moen -- Matt Watson (@biorhythmist) r...@linuxmafia.com McQ! (4x80) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Well, this is interesting
Quoting Arnt Karlsen (a...@iaksess.no): > ..I find your take on this, disturbingly credible. > But Big Blue has also done incredible good things: > http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=20061212211016210 > as we (125,000?) Groklawians documented in: http://groklaw.net/ Ah, nostalgia. http://linuxmafia.com/pub/humour/PiratesOfPenguinance.html https://old.lwn.net/Articles/34848/ (Our song got performed for the benefit of Torvalds and others during the Linux Luncacy 3 cruise (2003), so my work is done. http://thedance.net/~roth/linuxlunacy3/sco.html ) -- Cheers, I could maybe do one pilate. Rick Moen -- Matt Watson (@biorhythmist) r...@linuxmafia.com McQ! (4x80) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] The D in Systemd stands for 'Dammmmit!'
On 10/27/18 2:38 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 14:24:22 +0200
info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote:
Not my words although i agree fully with them:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/10/26/systemd_dhcpv6_rce/
"The overflow can be triggered relatively easy by advertising a DHCPv6
server with a server-id >= 493 characters long," Wilhelm noted.
They say: You must use systemd because sysvinit is soo old.
I say: You must use strncpy()/strncat() because strcpy()/strcat() are
soo old.
What's it been now, 30 years since the strn versions of those
commands have been around? You'd think they'd have taken that in and
adopted it by now. But no!
My first thought: you're kidding.
My second thought: what if they're not kidding?
My third thought: let's look...
dtaylor@boti:~/src/systemd$ find . -type f -exec grep -il strcat {} \;
./src/basic/unit-name.c
dtaylor@boti:~/src/systemd$ find . -type f -exec grep -il strcpy {} \;
./src/nss-mymachines/nss-mymachines.c
./src/libsystemd/sd-bus/test-bus-marshal.c
./src/libsystemd/sd-bus/bus-internal.h
./src/time-wait-sync/time-wait-sync.c
./src/nss-systemd/nss-systemd.c
./src/network/networkd-ndisc.c
./src/network/networkd-network.c
./src/portable/portable.c
./src/shared/import-util.c
./src/shared/dissect-image.c
./src/shared/bus-unit-util.c
./src/shared/clean-ipc.c
./src/shared/firewall-util.c
./src/machine/machinectl.c
./src/basic/time-util.c
./src/basic/khash.c
./src/basic/escape.c
./src/basic/json.c
./src/basic/path-util.h
./src/basic/cap-list.c
./src/basic/cgroup-util.c
./src/basic/path-util.c
./src/basic/fileio.c
./src/basic/unit-name.c
./src/core/automount.c
./src/core/manager.c
./src/core/dbus-execute.c
./src/core/dynamic-user.c
./src/boot/efi/boot.c
./src/journal/catalog.c
./src/journal/journald-audit.c
./src/resolve/resolved-dns-rr.c
./src/test/test-unit-file.c
./src/test/test-condition.c
./src/udev/scsi_id/scsi_serial.c
./src/udev/scsi_id/scsi_id.c
./src/udev/udev-ctrl.c
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Re: [DNG] Well, this is interesting
I wouldn't consider this necessarily doom and gloom IBM has done a lot of good lately in regards to affordable performance computing freedom with OpenPOWER and helping to bring the Raptor TALOS 2 and Blackbird to life - no other company would take and implement suggestions from a small player let alone assist them with development. Although at the same time they have done a lot of H1B bullshit (sadly IBM is more indian than american now) and they love to make surveillance software. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] DSA Ascii Oct29
Sun, 28 Oct 2018 18:51:40 + [SECURITY] [DSA 4329-1] teeworlds security update version 0.6.5+dfsg-1~deb9u1 Confirmed: ascii-security Tue, 16 Oct 2018 21:57:57 + [SECURITY] [DSA 4321-1] graphicsmagick security update version 1.3.30+hg15796-1~deb9u1 Sun, 28 Oct 2018 18:50:33 + [SECURITY] [DSA 4321-2] graphicsmagick update version 1.3.30+hg15796-1~deb9u2 Confirmed: ascii-security Note: beowulf and ceres contain v1.3.30+hg15796-1 Thu, 25 Oct 2018 21:31:28 + [SECURITY] [DSA 4328-1] xorg-server security update version 2:1.19.2-1+deb9u4 Confirmed: ascii-security, ascii-proposed-updates Thu, 25 Oct 2018 21:24:51 + [SECURITY] [DSA 4327-1] thunderbird security update version 1:60.2.1-2~deb9u1 Confirmed: ascii-security, ascii-proposed-updates Thu, 25 Oct 2018 21:22:38 + [SECURITY] [DSA 4326-1] openjdk-8 version 8u181-b13-2~deb9u1 Confirmed: ascii-security, ascii-proposed-updates Thu, 25 Oct 2018 07:20:59 + [SECURITY] [DSA 4325-1] mosquitto security update version 1.4.10-3+deb9u2 Confirmed: ascii-security, ascii-proposed-updates Wed, 24 Oct 2018 20:38:22 + [SECURITY] [DSA 4324-1] firefox-esr security update version 60.3.0esr-1~deb9u1 Confirmed: ascii-security, ascii-proposed-updates Thu, 18 Oct 2018 21:05:15 + [SECURITY] [DSA 4323-1] drupal7 security update version 7.52-2+deb9u5 Confirmed: ascii-security, ascii-proposed-updates Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:16:35 + [SECURITY] [DSA 4322-1] libssh security update version 0.7.3-2+deb9u1 Confirmed: ascii-security, ascii-proposed-updates Tue, 16 Oct 2018 21:54:17 + [SECURITY] [DSA 4320-1] asterisk security update version 1:13.14.1~dfsg-2+deb9u4 Confirmed: ascii-security, ascii-proposed-updates Mon, 15 Oct 2018 19:01:04 + [SECURITY] [DSA 4319-1] spice security update version 0.12.8-2.1+deb9u2 Confirmed: ascii-security, ascii-proposed-updates Mon, 15 Oct 2018 15:41:31 + [SECURITY] [DSA 4318-1] moin security update version 1.9.9-1+deb9u1. Confirmed: ascii-security, ascii-proposed-updates Note: beowulf and ceres contain v1.9.9-1 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Excessive Bounces
On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 09:40:57PM -0400, Linux O'Beardly wrote: > Hey all, > > Is anyone else using a gmail account getting excessive bounce errors from > the DNG mailing list? It keeps locking out my account. I'm not having any > issues with any of my other mailing lists. > > -- > Linux O'Beardly > @LinuxOBeardly > http://o.beard.ly > linux.obear...@gmail.com Yes, the same thing happened to me ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Well, this is interesting
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 06:00:58 -0700, spiralofhope wrote in message <20181029060058.7d7b7992@1A.1A>: > On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 11:47:18 +0100 > Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > ..could this be Big Blue buying Red Hat to kill systemd? > > As I understand, IBM's largest asset licensing its pool of patents. > With that in mind, I think of this purchase of Red Hat as them > attempting to cement control in something fundamental. Not patents, > but software, development, and programmers. > > No they won't kill it, they want to own it. ..I find your take on this, disturbingly credible. But Big Blue has also done incredible good things: http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=20061212211016210 as we (125,000?) Groklawians documented in: http://groklaw.net/ -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Excessive Bounces
I don't know if it's related, but I noticed that some emails aren't getting put in the lists.dyne.org mailing list archives. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Well, this is interesting
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 11:47:18 +0100 Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..could this be Big Blue buying Red Hat to kill systemd? As I understand, IBM's largest asset licensing its pool of patents. With that in mind, I think of this purchase of Red Hat as them attempting to cement control in something fundamental. Not patents, but software, development, and programmers. No they won't kill it, they want to own it. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Well, this is interesting
No actually... Pottering is a Microsoft plant set with the mission to destroy Linux as we know it! Big Blue are stepping in to nullify him :) > ..who of the 3, has had the bigger losses from GNU/Linux qualities, > and from the impacts from the distro systemd coups d'etats? > > ..could this be Big Blue buying Red Hat to kill systemd? > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Excessive Bounces
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 09:44:43 +, Rowland wrote in message <20181029094443.146cb...@devstation.samdom.example.com>: > On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 10:38:47 +0100 > Harald Arnesen wrote: > > > Linux O'Beardly [10/29/18 2:40 AM]: > > > > > Is anyone else using a gmail account getting excessive bounce > > > errors from the DNG mailing list? It keeps locking out my > > > account. I'm not having any issues with any of my other mailing > > > lists. > > > > Yes, same here. > > I get them as well, but I don't use a gmail account. > > Rowland ..me too, me too, about once a month. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Well, this is interesting
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 08:43:29 +0100, Didier wrote in message <85c41e05-fbe1-c5a4-2259-3f81d9a72...@in2p3.fr>: > Le 29/10/2018 à 03:51, Rick Moen a écrit : > > Quoting hal (vmli...@charter.net): > > > >> What are the particulars? > > The Bloomberg report > > (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-28/ibm-is-said-to-near-deal-to- > > +acquire-software-maker-red-hat) > > says this is a _cash_ acquisition, the tender offer being at > > $190/share, which is a huge premium over the stock's closing market > > price of $116.68/share on Friday. The Bloomberg reporters claim > > this is IBM's move to quickly get into cloud computing. > > > > This is by far the largest acquisition IBM has ever carried out, > > and the third largest in USA tech, ever. > > > Not clear what's best, RedHat being bought by IBM, Microsoft, or > Google. > > I was thinking Systemd was made to attract Microsoft or Google; > therefore it's a surprise. Maybe IBM moved to beat the two other. > > Didier ..who of the 3, has had the bigger losses from GNU/Linux qualities, and from the impacts from the distro systemd coups d'etats? ..could this be Big Blue buying Red Hat to kill systemd? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Excessive Bounces
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 10:38:47 +0100 Harald Arnesen wrote: > Linux O'Beardly [10/29/18 2:40 AM]: > > > Is anyone else using a gmail account getting excessive bounce errors > > from the DNG mailing list? It keeps locking out my account. I'm not > > having any issues with any of my other mailing lists. > > Yes, same here. I get them as well, but I don't use a gmail account. Rowland ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Excessive Bounces
Linux O'Beardly [10/29/18 2:40 AM]: > Is anyone else using a gmail account getting excessive bounce errors > from the DNG mailing list? It keeps locking out my account. I'm not > having any issues with any of my other mailing lists. Yes, same here. -- Hilsen Harald ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Well, this is interesting
Le 29/10/2018 à 03:51, Rick Moen a écrit : Quoting hal (vmli...@charter.net): What are the particulars? The Bloomberg report (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-28/ibm-is-said-to-near-deal-to- +acquire-software-maker-red-hat) says this is a _cash_ acquisition, the tender offer being at $190/share, which is a huge premium over the stock's closing market price of $116.68/share on Friday. The Bloomberg reporters claim this is IBM's move to quickly get into cloud computing. This is by far the largest acquisition IBM has ever carried out, and the third largest in USA tech, ever. Not clear what's best, RedHat being bought by IBM, Microsoft, or Google. I was thinking Systemd was made to attract Microsoft or Google; therefore it's a surprise. Maybe IBM moved to beat the two other. Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
