Re: [DNG] What you saw on devuan.org yesterday was an April's fools joke
On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 15:02:51 -0700, Rick wrote in message <20190405220251.gx15...@linuxmafia.com>: > Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org): > > > Killing Devuan would require either five buses hitting five people > > at the same time in five different countries across the globe, or > > three fires hitting three different data centers at exactly the > > same time. ..another reason even lan mirrors helps add to the bus target numbers. > Those buses _are_ clever predators, though, and cautious open source > notables should take precautions including not performing package > signing while crossing busy city thoroughfares. > > Also, a wise man[1] once ..just once??? We mock them city folks anytime they whine. ;o) > said, 'Det finnes ikke dårlig vær, bare dårlige klær' (there is no > bad weather, only bad clothing), which is to say that pedestrians in > areas with particular motorbus-menace problems can and should pad > their clothing appropriately, for protective purposes. That extra > protection can then do double duty as a floatation device if stuck in > London when PM May pulls off Brexit and you suddenly find you need to > get back to somewhere civilised like Amsterdam. > > [1] Well, not actually particularly wise. In fact, it was my Onkel > Reidar. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What you saw on devuan.org yesterday was an April's fools joke
Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org): > Killing Devuan would require either five buses hitting five people at > the same time in five different countries across the globe, or three > fires hitting three different data centers at exactly the same time. Those buses _are_ clever predators, though, and cautious open source notables should take precautions including not performing package signing while crossing busy city thoroughfares. Also, a wise man[1] once said, 'Det finnes ikke dårlig vær, bare dårlige klær' (there is no bad weather, only bad clothing), which is to say that pedestrians in areas with particular motorbus-menace problems can and should pad their clothing appropriately, for protective purposes. That extra protection can then do double duty as a floatation device if stuck in London when PM May pulls off Brexit and you suddenly find you need to get back to somewhere civilised like Amsterdam. [1] Well, not actually particularly wise. In fact, it was my Onkel Reidar. -- Cheers,There's no theorem like Bayes's Theorem, like no theorem we know. Rick Moen Everything about it is appealing, everything about it is a wow. rick@linux Let out all that a-priori feeling, you've been concealing, mafia.com right up to now. -- G.E.P. Box (w/apologies to Irving Berlin) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What you saw on devuan.org yesterday was an April's fools joke
On Sat, Apr 06, 2019 at 04:37:31AM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > Hi, > > On 6/4/19 12:41 am, chillfan--- via Dng wrote: > > I'm not sure then if the bus-factor does apply, but I'm sure none > > of the core developers are the type to cross the road without > > looking ;-) > > Sure, but the "bus factor" is not just relating to getting hit by a > bus; it is the effect of losing someone by any means (health, > accident, murder or otherwise). It's about having a plan to ensure > that a lost person doesn't have other serious follow on problems ... > such as "nobody knows the encryption pass phrase or key to unlock > critical data (however it is stored), or nobody knows how the system > works so they can step in and keep things going. > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor > Please stop freaking out, and stop creating alarming doubts. All and only the five caretakers (Jaromil, CenturionDan, rrq, Evilham, and myself) have (ever had) access to the whole of the Devuan infrastructure. Killing Devuan would require either five buses hitting five people at the same time in five different countries across the globe, or three fires hitting three different data centers at exactly the same time. The fact that we play jokes at times should not trick anybody in thinking even for a moment that we are fools ;) HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What you saw on devuan.org yesterday was an April's fools joke
Quoting Andrew McGlashan (andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au): > What if Katolaz gets hit by a bus? Ah! A proper scientific question. There is precedent for this: http://web.archive.org/web/2003013913/http://segfault.org/story.phtml?mode=2=38b40d78-087dd360 -- Cheers,There's no theorem like Bayes's Theorem, like no theorem we know. Rick Moen Everything about it is appealing, everything about it is a wow. rick@linux Let out all that a-priori feeling, you've been concealing, mafia.com right up to now. -- G.E.P. Box (w/apologies to Irving Berlin) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] iso?
Oww man! ceres!!??? salt in my wound... Lol Maybe I'm using the wrong mini iso? but their all dated feb 16, and error again on kernel mods, which goes into 'no disks found'. Someone else posted also...how u get passed that?!?!? I might be repeating myself :) I grabbed ascii's mini, and its recent - with, beowulf/ceres options. I did notice the missing new option of linking bin's...sbins & stuff...don't know if that will bite me later? That gets me continuing on the desktop install... ob-generator is working... gonna clean-up soon and make snapshot... -- Do you use the snapshot iso ..or.. the other files(?) in work folder...can't remember now. *grins* since I haven't had success, getting to boot into some kind of install...or 'live' session (as yours), I just wonder. I know.. i know... get `er done gus...and find out!!! HAaa have a good one Dan... asta :) Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. All emails are secured automatically with end-to-end encryption. No Spam - No Ads! :) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What you saw on devuan.org yesterday was an April's fools joke
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, On 6/4/19 12:41 am, chillfan--- via Dng wrote: > I'm not sure then if the bus-factor does apply, but I'm sure none > of the core developers are the type to cross the road without > looking ;-) Sure, but the "bus factor" is not just relating to getting hit by a bus; it is the effect of losing someone by any means (health, accident, murder or otherwise). It's about having a plan to ensure that a lost person doesn't have other serious follow on problems ... such as "nobody knows the encryption pass phrase or key to unlock critical data (however it is stored), or nobody knows how the system works so they can step in and keep things going. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor Cheers A. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iHUEAREIAB0WIQTJAoMHtC6YydLfjUOoFmvLt+/i+wUCXKeSVQAKCRCoFmvLt+/i +4TfAPoC2Ik23+usr+kBX8D10QIwZh3Z6u3lKt3PYiNdU8yvMwD/Vz1jVcWLx0Aw 3YxY7Avyo9O+cL6yFTVV46EhVOMp5Uk= =jJfN -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] frustration with browsers.
Indeed there is Icecat that is DRM free. Iceweasel-UXP just covers some more of the criteria of what people would consider less frustrating or is closer to a real fork since they change things at the code level. It would be interesting if there was a version of Icecat based on Iceweasel-UXP. The other one that's similar is Palemoon, but it doesn't have WebRTC. Generally a good thing but sometimes WebRTC is wanted for jitsi. Cheers, chillfan ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, April 5, 2019 3:10 PM, al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: > Il giorno venerdì 05/04/2019 13:50:03 + > chill...@protonmail.com ha scritto: > > > Might potentially be a solution if anyone did decide to package another > > browser to try to solve the problem, since it comes from the hyperbola > > project. > > Another is the GNU/IceCat browser: > > - IceCat project > https://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ > > - downloads: > https://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gnuzilla/ > > - bug-gnuzilla mailing-list archives > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnuzilla/ > > - user documentation > https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:IceCat/ > > Regards > > -- > al3xu5 > > Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design > restrictions. > > > Public GPG/PGP key block > ID: 4096 bit RSA key 69C5977BF94CFE23 > Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 > > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng publickey - chillfan@protonmail.com - 0xB179B25B.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What you saw on devuan.org yesterday was an April's fools joke
On Fri, 05 Apr 2019 13:41:34 +, chillfan--- wrote in message : > On Friday, April 5, 2019 2:19 PM, Andrew McGlashan > wrote: ... > > There is a different, but also VERY IMPORTANT consideration here. > > > > > What if Katolaz gets hit by a bus? > > > > > Whilst I do appreciate the work he does, it really is a potential > > nightmare should he become unavailable for the works he is currently > > doing. What about backup wetware and other team members, is enough > > known to move forward if we, for whatever reason, are unfortunate > > enough to lose him? > > > > > Kind Regards > > AnsdrewM > > > It was just more relevant for this discussion to mention Katolaz and > his hard work. There are other core developers who are also working > hard. ...and who can step in and take over for each other? Would allow _proper_ vacations, offline too, _very_ good for maintaining your own long term health, also as a development etc team member. > I'm not sure then if the bus-factor does apply, but I'm sure none of > the core developers are the type to cross the road without looking ;-) ..lets get and keep it that way. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] frustration with browsers.
Il giorno venerdì 05/04/2019 13:50:03 + chill...@protonmail.com ha scritto: > Might potentially be a solution if anyone did decide to package another > browser to try to solve the problem, since it comes from the hyperbola > project. Another is the GNU/IceCat browser: - IceCat project https://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ - downloads: https://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gnuzilla/ - bug-gnuzilla mailing-list archives https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnuzilla/ - user documentation https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:IceCat/ Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key block ID: 4096 bit RSA key 69C5977BF94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpHvK5uhKXfT.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] frustration with browsers.
Might potentially be a solution if anyone did decide to package another browser to try to solve the problem, since it comes from the hyperbola project. They follow a "when it's ready" release cycle afaik which probably means they have patches of their that can be applied, making things a little easier. Cheers, chillfan ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, April 5, 2019 1:13 PM, wrote: > I like the idea of Iceweasel-UXP[1] as a more recent and complete firefox > replacement without DRM, especially if trimmed down a little. > > [1]: https://wiki.hyperbola.info/doku.php?id=en:project:iceweasel-uxp > > Cheers, > > chillfan > publickey - chillfan@protonmail.com - 0xB179B25B.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What you saw on devuan.org yesterday was an April's fools joke
It was just more relevant for this discussion to mention Katolaz and his hard work. There are other core developers who are also working hard. I'm not sure then if the bus-factor does apply, but I'm sure none of the core developers are the type to cross the road without looking ;-) Cheers, chillfan ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, April 5, 2019 2:19 PM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > Hi, > > On 5/4/19 11:28 pm, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: > > > On 05-04-19 11:16, Simon Hobson wrote: > > > > > chillfan wrote: > > > > > > > Katolaz is working very hard to ensure we have releases, but I > > > > didn't realise he was doing all this even. > > > > I didn't either. So another +1 for Katolaz and all the work he's > > > > doing. And everyone else of course, but I think it's a bit unfair > > > > for people to be calling for heads on spikes (or one head on a > > > > spike) over a fairly good joke. > > > > > > I can understand why some people get a bit upset, but really > > > guys, lighten up. If there's no room for a bit of fun now and > > > again then life gets a bit dull - like the corporate world of > > > grey suites and endlist lists of things you aren't allowed to say > > > or do. > > > > I know Katolaz is working very hard and i appreciate it very much. > > But i am working in ICT and in construction and the two areas where > > you do not joke about are security and safety. Since he already > > apologized i will not discuss it further or in Dutch: zand erover. > > There is a different, but also VERY IMPORTANT consideration here. > > What if Katolaz gets hit by a bus? > > Whilst I do appreciate the work he does, it really is a potential > nightmare should he become unavailable for the works he is currently > doing. What about backup wetware and other team members, is enough > known to move forward if we, for whatever reason, are unfortunate > enough to lose him? > > Kind Regards > AnsdrewM publickey - chillfan@protonmail.com - 0xB179B25B.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What you saw on devuan.org yesterday was an April's fools joke
On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 14:28:20 +0200, info wrote in message : > But i am working in ICT and in construction and the two areas where > you do not joke about are security and safety. ..I _slightly_ disagree: People who screw up on these 2 like the Bush regime, the Obama regime and the Trump regime since "9/11", and fails to apologize or fix or otherwise own up on their blunders, deserves EVERY bit of scorn they can get. Including jokes. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Kernel modules not found during Beowulf install
Hi KatolaZ, KatolaZ writes: > On Wed, Apr 03, 2019 at 09:05:15PM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: >> Hi KatolaZ, >> >> KatolaZ writes: >> > > [cut] >> > >> > >> > Hi Olaf, >> > >> > I will rebuild the installer later today. Stay tuned. >> >> Still staying tuned but I guess you were too busy fooling around ;-P >> >> Seriously though, the Devuan netboot image being at the "mercy" of the >> Debian package repository for its kernel modules probably needs a more >> robust solution than a manual rebuild when a random user catches the >> netboot installer with its pants down. > > Sorry Olaf, but I won't be touching anything Devuan-related in the > next few days, since I have an audition for a stand-up-commedy show on > Monday, and I have to rehearse :P > > Hope you will understand. Of course, I just saw the announcement for your "rehearsal" during the first Devuan conference fly by on the list :-P Have fun, -- Olaf Meeuwissen, LPIC-2FSF Associate Member since 2004-01-27 GnuPG key: F84A2DD9/B3C0 2F47 EA19 64F4 9F13 F43E B8A4 A88A F84A 2DD9 Support Free Softwarehttps://my.fsf.org/donate Join the Free Software Foundation https://my.fsf.org/join ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Kernel modules not found during Beowulf install
Hi Dan, Daniel Reurich writes: > I will kick off a rebuild of debian-installer now. Thanks! > Dan > > > On 04/04/19 01:46, KatolaZ wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 03, 2019 at 09:05:15PM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: >>> Hi KatolaZ, >>> >>> KatolaZ writes: >>> >> >> [cut] Hi Olaf, I will rebuild the installer later today. Stay tuned. >>> >>> Still staying tuned but I guess you were too busy fooling around ;-P >>> >>> Seriously though, the Devuan netboot image being at the "mercy" of the >>> Debian package repository for its kernel modules probably needs a more >>> robust solution than a manual rebuild when a random user catches the >>> netboot installer with its pants down. >> >> Sorry Olaf, but I won't be touching anything Devuan-related in the >> next few days, since I have an audition for a stand-up-commedy show on >> Monday, and I have to rehearse :P >> >> Hope you will understand. >> >> HND >> >> KatolaZ >> >> >> >> ___ >> Dng mailing list >> Dng@lists.dyne.org >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >> -- Olaf Meeuwissen, LPIC-2FSF Associate Member since 2004-01-27 GnuPG key: F84A2DD9/B3C0 2F47 EA19 64F4 9F13 F43E B8A4 A88A F84A 2DD9 Support Free Softwarehttps://my.fsf.org/donate Join the Free Software Foundation https://my.fsf.org/join ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What you saw on devuan.org yesterday was an April's fools joke
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, On 5/4/19 11:28 pm, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: > On 05-04-19 11:16, Simon Hobson wrote: >> chillfan wrote: >> >>> Katolaz is working very hard to ensure we have releases, but I >>> didn't realise he was doing all this even. >> I didn't either. So another +1 for Katolaz and all the work he's >> doing. And everyone else of course, but I think it's a bit unfair >> for people to be calling for heads on spikes (or one head on a >> spike) over a fairly good joke. >> >> I can understand why some people get a bit upset, but really >> guys, lighten up. If there's no room for a bit of fun now and >> again then life gets a bit dull - like the corporate world of >> grey suites and endlist lists of things you aren't allowed to say >> or do. > > I know Katolaz is working very hard and i appreciate it very much. > But i am working in ICT and in construction and the two areas where > you do not joke about are security and safety. Since he already > apologized i will not discuss it further or in Dutch: zand erover. There is a different, but also VERY IMPORTANT consideration here. What if Katolaz gets hit by a bus? Whilst I do appreciate the work he does, it really is a potential nightmare should he become unavailable for the works he is currently doing. What about backup wetware and other team members, is enough known to move forward if we, for whatever reason, are unfortunate enough to lose him? Kind Regards AnsdrewM -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iHUEAREIAB0WIQTJAoMHtC6YydLfjUOoFmvLt+/i+wUCXKdV1AAKCRCoFmvLt+/i +7CTAQCWjlH91JovNj2WNPVwWfRPmDAi4vkyH55dluwoDkbOOAD/baCsnM5tnv/P CO2WKE84dqqQ47p6a205TLeUHkRnCrw= =6xWS -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What you saw on devuan.org yesterday was an April's fools joke
On 05-04-19 11:16, Simon Hobson wrote: > chillfan wrote: > >> Katolaz is working very hard to ensure we have releases, but I didn't >> realise he was doing all this even. > I didn't either. > So another +1 for Katolaz and all the work he's doing. And everyone else of > course, but I think it's a bit unfair for people to be calling for heads on > spikes (or one head on a spike) over a fairly good joke. > > I can understand why some people get a bit upset, but really guys, lighten > up. If there's no room for a bit of fun now and again then life gets a bit > dull - like the corporate world of grey suites and endlist lists of things > you aren't allowed to say or do. I know Katolaz is working very hard and i appreciate it very much. But i am working in ICT and in construction and the two areas where you do not joke about are security and safety. Since he already apologized i will not discuss it further or in Dutch: zand erover. Grtz Nick signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] frustration with browsers.
The problems as I see them are: Browsers either have DRM or they are bloated with features some don't expect to be there and are no modularity at all. Sometimes you can disable a feature but not remove it. The alternatives are often not packaged by Debian, so if they don't have it then we'd need to package it ourselves. Firefox and derivatives are sometimes very large. Things move fast and the alternatives don't provide a long term support cycle afaict. Since they would need to be maintained for a whole release cycle (and LTS) that makes it more awkward to package. I like the idea of Iceweasel-UXP[1] as a more recent and complete firefox replacement without DRM, especially if trimmed down a little. [1]: https://wiki.hyperbola.info/doku.php?id=en:project:iceweasel-uxp Cheers, chillfan ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, April 5, 2019 12:23 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 08:06:14AM +, chillfan--- via Dng wrote: > > > There are many of us frustrated with web browsers and the web in general, > > Is there anything that can be done about this? > > Browsers seem to be an all-or-nothing kind of nonmodularity. > > Yet they should have components that can be used independently. > > I can see > > a hugely complicated display mechanism that takes HTML, pdf, and other > file formats and displays them. (This could easily be several > mechanisms, of course) > > A user-interface system that gives the user some influence in deciding > which files are to be displayed (and implicitly fetches them using a > variety of protocols or refuses to do this on the basis of security > concerns which may conflict with the user's). This is a largely > nonprogrammable interface. > > > > A number of these tools would be quite useful if they could easily be > called independently from any relatively sane and bug-resistant > high-level language (user's choice). > > I'd very much like to be programmatically in charge of the browser. > I'd like to be able to make it do things not in the immediate vision of > the large organisation providing it -- without starting over from > scratch. > > -- hendrik > > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng publickey - chillfan@protonmail.com - 0xB179B25B.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] frustration with browsers.
On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 08:06:14AM +, chillfan--- via Dng wrote: > > There are many of us frustrated with web browsers and the web in general, Is there anything that can be done about this? Browsers seem to be an all-or-nothing kind of nonmodularity. Yet they should have components that can be used independently. I can see a hugely complicated display mechanism that takes HTML, pdf, and other file formats and displays them. (This could easily be several mechanisms, of course) A user-interface system that gives the user some influence in deciding which files are to be displayed (and implicitly fetches them using a variety of protocols or refuses to do this on the basis of security concerns which may conflict with the user's). This is a largely nonprogrammable interface. A number of these tools would be quite useful if they could easily be called independently from any relatively sane and bug-resistant high-level language (user's choice). I'd very much like to be programmatically in charge of the browser. I'd like to be able to make it do things not in the immediate vision of the large organisation providing it -- without starting over from scratch. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Forced removal of 481 packages on ceres dist-upgrade
On Tue, Apr 02, 2019 at 11:24:42PM +0100, Nicola Orrù via Dng wrote: >Hi, all, >My first post to this list! >For the last couple of days I've been trying to keep up-to date on >Ceres, which I do quite regularly. >But now, If I run the usual >sudo apt-get -u dist-upgrade >I get the following alert: >WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed. >This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing! > init sysvinit-core (due to init) >49 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 481 to remove and 3 not upgraded. >Need to get 62.2 MB of archives. >After this operation, 9362 MB disk space will be freed. >You are about to do something potentially harmful. >To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!' >Of course I don't want to remove 481 packages. What am I doing wrong? Nothing! I have had this for about the last 10 days too. It is already reported. See https://bugs.devuan.org/312. I think Centurion_Dan is working on it. It relates to the Debian fix for https://bugs.debian.org/923861 which breaks our fork of lsb. Mark ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Forced removal of 481 packages on ceres dist-upgrade
hey, running unstable you can come across situations like this, many times. personally i use safer `apt upgrade ` in ceres/unstable. mainly, cause i need the system running :) as for this current situation, i don't have such an issue with ceres. can you paste someplace, a list of upgrades? (`apt list --upgradable`) you could try updateing from another mirror as well, maybe sync delays can trigger such issues. sources.list, mixed w/testing : deb http://xx.deb.devuan.org/merged/ testing main non-free contrib deb http://xx.deb.devuan.org/merged/ testing-security main non-free contrib deb http://xx.deb.devuan.org/merged/ testing-updates main non-free contrib deb http://xx.deb.devuan.org/merged/ ceres main non-free contrib d. On 4/3/19 1:24 AM, Nicola Orrù via Dng wrote: > Hi, all, > > My first post to this list! > > For the last couple of days I've been trying to keep up-to date on > Ceres, which I do quite regularly. > > But now, If I run the usual > > sudo apt-get -u dist-upgrade > > I get the following alert: > > WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed. > This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing! > init sysvinit-core (due to init) > 49 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 481 to remove and 3 not upgraded. > Need to get 62.2 MB of archives. > After this operation, 9362 MB disk space will be freed. > You are about to do something potentially harmful. > To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!' > > Of course I don't want to remove 481 packages. What am I doing wrong? > > This is the deb repo I'm picking from: > > nico@lenovo-devuan:~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ceres.list > ## package repositories > deb http://gb.deb.devuan.org/merged ceres main > deb http://gb.deb.devuan.org/merged ceres contrib non-free > > #deb http://gb.deb.devuan.org/merged ceres-updates main > #deb http://gb.deb.devuan.org/merged ceres-security main > #deb http://gb.deb.devuan.org/merged ceres-backports main > > ## source repositories > deb-src http://gb.deb.devuan.org/merged ceres main > deb-src http://gb.deb.devuan.org/merged ceres contrib non-free > > #deb-src http://gb.deb.devuan.org/merged ceres-updates main > #deb-src http://gb.deb.devuan.org/merged ceres-security main > #deb-src http://gb.deb.devuan.org/merged ceres-backports main > -- > Cheers, > Nico > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] The 1st Devuan conference kicks off tomorrow afternoon!
On 2019年4月5日 4:10:53 JST, Jaromil wrote: >On Thu, 04 Apr 2019, Hendrik Boom wrote: > >> I'm homesick already. I can't be there. > >you will be missed Hendrik, but I believe this is just one of many to >come and consider this a bootstrap and some people involved already >announced the will to host a conference near their place and we'll >facilitate and discuss that too so... get better for the next!! >or how we say here, beterschap! >___ >Dng mailing list >Dng@lists.dyne.org >https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng cant be in dam but will be watching the stream for sure!___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Forced removal of 481 packages on ceres dist-upgrade
Hi, all, My first post to this list! For the last couple of days I've been trying to keep up-to date on Ceres, which I do quite regularly. But now, If I run the usual sudo apt-get -u dist-upgrade I get the following alert: WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed. This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing! init sysvinit-core (due to init) 49 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 481 to remove and 3 not upgraded. Need to get 62.2 MB of archives. After this operation, 9362 MB disk space will be freed. You are about to do something potentially harmful. To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!' Of course I don't want to remove 481 packages. What am I doing wrong? This is the deb repo I'm picking from: nico@lenovo-devuan:~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ceres.list ## package repositories deb http://gb.deb.devuan.org/merged ceres main deb http://gb.deb.devuan.org/merged ceres contrib non-free #deb http://gb.deb.devuan.org/merged ceres-updates main #deb http://gb.deb.devuan.org/merged ceres-security main #deb http://gb.deb.devuan.org/merged ceres-backports main ## source repositories deb-src http://gb.deb.devuan.org/merged ceres main deb-src http://gb.deb.devuan.org/merged ceres contrib non-free #deb-src http://gb.deb.devuan.org/merged ceres-updates main #deb-src http://gb.deb.devuan.org/merged ceres-security main #deb-src http://gb.deb.devuan.org/merged ceres-backports main -- Cheers, Nico ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What you saw on devuan.org yesterday was an April's fools joke
chillfan wrote: > Katolaz is working very hard to ensure we have releases, but I didn't realise > he was doing all this even. I didn't either. So another +1 for Katolaz and all the work he's doing. And everyone else of course, but I think it's a bit unfair for people to be calling for heads on spikes (or one head on a spike) over a fairly good joke. I can understand why some people get a bit upset, but really guys, lighten up. If there's no room for a bit of fun now and again then life gets a bit dull - like the corporate world of grey suites and endlist lists of things you aren't allowed to say or do. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What you saw on devuan.org yesterday was an April's fools joke
Katolaz is working very hard to ensure we have releases, but I didn't realise he was doing all this even. There shouldn't be any sore feelings over this or anything personal. He really had me there for a moment but gopher and browser complaints were good clues something isn't quite right ;) There are many of us frustrated with web browsers and the web in general, and a couple of people are nostalgic over gopher. It's funnier for me because I know this. This seems like a bad reaction to an april fools joke to me, and personally I feel that the systemd camp wants to score some cheap points. Afaik we are all volunteers, which is different than having people who are contracted to maintain and develop Devuan. I think some dedicated maintainers should be put our way before anyone gets uptight about an april fools joke. Cheers, chillfan ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 3:30 PM, Jaromil wrote: > dear readers, > > as a Devuan caretaker and co-founder, in my own personal capacity, let > me state that: > > 1. There was no break-in on any part of Devuan's infrastructure on 1st > April. This was the most skillfull prank I've witnessed in my life. > > 2. Devuan comes WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY. Bluntly put, if you want to hold > someone liable, you need a contract. There are many professionals > here and in the world who can offer you support. Blaming any Devuan > developer for problems caused by his/her actions, be it a joke or a > mistake, is nonsense. Do read the license, if you need to hold > anyone liable for your own needs then make sure you have a contract > with somoene. It is entirely up to you to trust us or not > > 3. At Dyne.org - a public ICT research institution working with the > European Commission and some major municipalities - we use Devuan > in production. Clearly we need the reliability: so we work for > it. We are not only developing Devuan, but also we have an in-house > continuous-integration infrastructure to build packages and new > images for Devuan's many targets. I encourage everyone reading to > consider contributing to Devuan and at the same time plan your own > way of making a community project reliable for your own > professional use. > > 4. Katolaz is not just one of the caretakers of Devuan, but is by far > the developer making the most significant contributions to this > project. If it wasn't for him, we would be stuck at Jessie, > IMHO. For our community project, he has done: > - about 75 Devuan packages > - all the Devuan installers since Jessie RC > - all the minimal-live images since Jessie Beta2 > - development on the Devuan SDK > - work on the sysvinit package in Debian > - maintainance of all our critical infrastructure, including > all the building hosts, jenkins, dak, amprolla, pkgmaster, > mirrors, BTS, file server, all the ganeti nodes, DNS, web, > and what not. > > I wish there would be no need for a personalising argument in this > email, however given the attack Katolaz received I think of it as > necessary. I've been through something like this myself on this > very list, leading also to vandalization of wikipedia pages about > my work. Is not funny at all and some solidarity helps a lot. > > This mail is signed with the same 8192B RSA GPG key who signs all > packages distributed by Devuan. I'm not sure if we can go deeper in > trust... my former key signs this one too and was in turn signed by > GPG's author. Perhaps now I'll ask Werner to reach us in Amsterdam and > cuddle on the couch a bit ;^) > > ciao > > -- > Denis "Jaromil" Roio https://Dyne.org think tank > Ph.D, CTO & co-founder software to empower communities > ✉ Haparandadam 7-A1, 1013AK Amsterdam, The Netherlands > ✩ Profile and publications: https://jaromil.dyne.org > 턞 crypto κρυπτο крипто गुप्त् 加密 האנוסים المشفره > ⚷ 6113D89C A825C5CE DD02C872 73B35DA5 4ACB7D10 > > > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng publickey - chillfan@protonmail.com - 0xB179B25B.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
