Re: [DNG] IBM Gives Away PowerPC; Goes Open Source
Le 30/08/2019 à 23:43, Bruce Perens via Dng a écrit : RISC-V is changing a lot of things. PowerPC doesn't have much value any longer. IBM will be fine without it. I wouldn't capitalize ARM right now. Yes. With the PPC, they have been pioneers in the RISC technology and they might well have recognized the superiority of RISC-V and decided to take the lead of the race to produce RISC-V chips. Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] IBM Gives Away PowerPC; Goes Open Source
RISC-V is changing a lot of things. PowerPC doesn't have much value any longer. IBM will be fine without it. I wouldn't capitalize ARM right now. Disclaimer: Since I am part running a venture fund these days, SEC won't let me say what I'm actually invested in to you lowly non-accredited investors, but it might be a company on one side or the other of this argument. Where the first amendment fits in this I am still unclear. On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 12:53 PM Simon Hobson wrote: > Didier Kryn wrote: > > > Therefore it means IBM doesn't care anymore in PowerPc arch ... That's > what I fear, actually. > > I don't think it means that. It's clear that PowerPC is stuck as a niche > architecture. The only way out of that is to get lots of people using it - > and making it freely available is one way towards that. You only need to > look at a few examples to see that : > > USB vs FireWire. Firewire was very significantly better in many respects > than USB, but it was expensive to implement because Apple were greedy over > royalties. The inferior USB was really cheap to implement and took over. > > ARM. They licensed it widely for modest amounts, and it's been widely > implemented instead of other architectures. > > For IBM, it could be a shrewd move to get more people using the platform, > and thus boost it's popularity, and thus boost both the availability of > hardware and choice of software to run on it. The Intel approach is to try > and have all of the cake; this could be a move to make the cake much > bigger, and thus make a slice of it bigger. > IFF it works, they'll significantly expand the PowerPC market - and while > they'll have a smaller share of it, they'll actually make more money. > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > -- Bruce Perens - Partner, OSS.Capital. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] IBM Gives Away PowerPC; Goes Open Source
Didier Kryn wrote: > Therefore it means IBM doesn't care anymore in PowerPc arch ... That's what I > fear, actually. I don't think it means that. It's clear that PowerPC is stuck as a niche architecture. The only way out of that is to get lots of people using it - and making it freely available is one way towards that. You only need to look at a few examples to see that : USB vs FireWire. Firewire was very significantly better in many respects than USB, but it was expensive to implement because Apple were greedy over royalties. The inferior USB was really cheap to implement and took over. ARM. They licensed it widely for modest amounts, and it's been widely implemented instead of other architectures. For IBM, it could be a shrewd move to get more people using the platform, and thus boost it's popularity, and thus boost both the availability of hardware and choice of software to run on it. The Intel approach is to try and have all of the cake; this could be a move to make the cake much bigger, and thus make a slice of it bigger. IFF it works, they'll significantly expand the PowerPC market - and while they'll have a smaller share of it, they'll actually make more money. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Fwd: IBM Gives Away PowerPC; Goes Open Source
On 8/30/19 8:51 AM, Didier Kryn wrote: > > On the other hand, IBM's buziness is to sale computers and chips, > not an OS, and it has been supporting linux for long, because it helps > saling computers. IBM sells OS too.. in the past i've worked with the boring OS/400 for as/400 machines (also called iseries) using ppc processors. (back in the day, left all that behind years ago..) license cost, (iirc calculated per number of cpus used), at least a million U$ per year... and they still maintain(?) another proprietary unix, aix. (maybe z/os too, not sure..) so yes, it makes money from selling OS licenses too.. lots of money... but maybe its getting too costy and employees too old to maintain that ancient code, they'll probably just use linux/x86 in mainframes too, and fire some more people from os/ppc depts to reduce costs. --- other than that, i agree. they only care about selling stuff, profits, so any news about another evil inc, is spam/ads. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] OT: 50 years of Unix
Linux gets a mention, so somewhat relevant but sending OT anyway. Thought it was a great read. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/08/unix-at-50-it-starts-with-a-mainframe-a-gator-and-three-dedicated-researchers/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
