Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-09-28 Thread golinux

On 2019-09-28 21:32, Steve Litt wrote:

Hi all,

I just wrote IBM asking them to reconsider systemd, given that IBM's
business model is different from the old Red Hat's.



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I encourage all of you to write IBM. If I'm right and it helps, this
would prevent future incompatibilities requiring significant increases
in Devuan development effort, just to stay even. If I'm wrong, you lose
a couple hours writing a letter. The web page for this letter writing
campaign is as follows:



Sorry Steve . . . I think this idea is naive, ill-advised and a tactical 
error that could have very real, unintended consequences. I do hope that 
neither Devuan nor s6 was mentioned in the letter that you sent.


golinux
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[DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-09-28 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all,

I just wrote IBM asking them to reconsider systemd, given that IBM's
business model is different from the old Red Hat's.

It took me 3.5 hours: 2 hours to find valid addresses of Todd Moore,
VP IBM Open Technologies and Virginia M. Rometty, Chairman, President
and CEO of IBM. It then took me 1.5 hours to curate my letter down to 1
page of 12pt type. My letter was to Moore, CC to Rometty.

Given the fact that this letter writing campaign involves more than
just people in Devuan, and the negative reaction some Devuaners had to
this project, I will be serving as the central information point of the
letter writing point, accumulating and refining contact information and
reporting the successes and failures of writers.

I encourage all of you to write IBM. If I'm right and it helps, this
would prevent future incompatibilities requiring significant increases
in Devuan development effort, just to stay even. If I'm wrong, you lose
a couple hours writing a letter. The web page for this letter writing
campaign is as follows:

http://troubleshooters.com/ibm_systemd/

Thanks,

SteveT

Steve Litt
Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence
http://www.troubleshooters.com/key
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

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Re: [DNG] ..the D in Systemd is for Directories: Poettering says his creation will phone /home in future ... albeit with broken SSH login

2019-09-28 Thread Bernard Rosset via Dng

Sigh . . . If only Devuan development could generate the
participation and enthusiasm that the silliness of systemd bashing
does . . .

golinux



Nothing silly about it. Devuan was born from systemd bashing.


I guess the hint there was to take all that energy aimed towards 
fruitless projects, like writing to some people at IBM, which is leading 
nowhere...


... and using it positively, constructively to build & expand projects 
like Devuan which provide actual solutions to the problem(s) systemd 
embodies and about which we all agree on here.


Bernard Rosset
https://rosset.net/
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Re: [DNG] X-server does not load compiled nvidia's bond driver on Devuan-3.

2019-09-28 Thread Андрей via Dng
Приветствую.


В Mon, 23 Sep 2019 15:03:29 +0200, ты писал(а):

> Is the nvidia kernel module actually loaded by the kernel?
> 
> $ lsmod | grep nvidia
> 
> If not, can you load the modules manually?
> 
> $ modprobe nvidia
> 
> What are the relevant error messages in Xorg.0.log?

Thank you for the direction!

The problems were two:

1. 390-th bond driver was not for my video card, and the number is
not its version (and looked for higher one). So, i exchanged 390-th
driver with 340-th, that is for my video card. Then

2. 340-th driver wasn'r loaded by x-server. The reason for me still
remains unknown, but imperiticaly i have found, that the presence of

nvidia-alternative
nvidia-legacy-check

packages on Devuan-3 (testing) installation prevents 340-th bond
driver from being loaded by the x-server, therefore, having removed
the packages, i've got working x-server under the bond driver again.

Андрей.
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Re: [DNG] ..the D in Systemd is for Directories: Poettering says his creation will phone /home in future ... albeit with broken SSH login

2019-09-28 Thread Edward Bartolo via Dng
Since, some mentioned KDE, I would like to recount my latest
experience with it. I was having difficulty with XFCE as its touch pad
configuration is very poor. Moving the mouse pointer around was like
dragging 100Kg across rough ground! The displacement of the mouse
pointer across the screen was less than the actual displacement of my
finger on the touch pad!

Currently, I am running KDE without having issues of bloat, and my
system, is definitely not state of the art.

With Waterfox, medit and simple-netaid (Lazarus version) running this
is my memory use:
 totalusedfree  shared
buff/cache   available
Mem:   3835 8201966 11310482658
Swap: 0   0   0

Needless to state, I did not install the complete KDE desktop. KDE is
not burdening my poor integrated GPU as it defaulted to a very basic
rendering mode. I do not know whether this is a direct consequence of
KDE itself, or the fact, the kernel is having problems with the i915
graphics driver. In fact, the kernel is reporting a buffer underrun at
startup. This is a bug that existed several years ago, but recently,
and because I use Devuan, it has shown it ugly head again.

On 28/09/2019, Dan Purgert  wrote:
> On Sep 27, 2019, goli...@devuan.org wrote:
>> Sigh . . . If only Devuan development could generate the participation
>> and
>> enthusiasm that the silliness of systemd bashing does . . .
>
> I gotta get less bad at a lot of things before I can help there :(.
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