Re: [DNG] Which desktop manager?
Quoting Stephane Ascoet via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org): > Dear Rick, I'm not sure that such a deprecated Website is a good > advice. And I3, that a lot of geeks find to be the best actual WM, > isn't on it. I do _not_ at all agree that xwinman.org should be deemed 'deprecated'. It's easily the best of its type, and has for long decades been highly valuable for giving a representative cross-section of what various windows managers and DEs tend to look like _and_ also a fairly reasonable explanation of what those things are and how they differ -- documenting these things for 112 window managers and 20 DEs. If you would like to convince me it should be regarded as 'deprecated', the first step you should logically take is to suggest a superior replacement. Or replicate Matt Chapman's work elsewhere and do better -- which I notice neither you nor anyone else is volunteering to do. (One egrettable aspect of Matt's site is that his copyright notice implies proprietary terms for the site contents, and doesn't authorise site forks. IMO, we of the open source community need to keep remembering our hard-earned lessons about that.) At the same time it's true thatt any given time, there are plenty of window managers that are sadly omitted from the roster, and that is indeed disappointing. At one point a few years ago, I tried to get a response from Matt about why he hadn't merged in a new draft page I submitted, to add coverage about a WM. I didn't hear back. I may soon double back and try again. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which DE?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 21:04:10 +0100 viverna wrote: > il devuanizzato al3xu5 / dotcommon il > 25-02-20 16:29:58 ha scritto: > > > I am using Devuan (2.1) + MATE DE since 08/2016... > > Now I wish to change DE but I am in doubt: XFCE or LXDE or LXQt??? > > LXDE is ancestor of LXQt. However is a wonderful DE mostly with > openbox combination. Openbox is great even alone. For many years I had been loyal to LXDE, doing customized installations based on lxde-core on top of a minimal base install. It was the most lightweight DE known to me (and I don't like XFCE's "comic sans" feeling, nor thunar). So it was clear that I'd try LXQt quite soon - not only as LXDE's successor, but also as an expression of my pleasure in the merging of two interesting projects (LXDE and Razor-qt) in times of "forks everywhere". As Viverna, I chose to stay with openbox, which had been the LXDE (as well as ascii LXqt) default - with beowulf, LXqt has changed its default to xfwm4. libre Grüße, Florian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEELAr/aHjRNwfZVZJo7kVJef5EH9YFAl5XAcQACgkQ7kVJef5E H9Yp2w/+Kw+xWkcfNGJmPJm3qhkCwEJWzsWT65VAanmqobmR31P2PncnJxnxt8WM v+YmFoWeUHh7BtGUC4OMtudhQSi0YOz3XP9MnO+10Mg7ZQTv3j/cEfJvNjlT4cjW 8SFnfMSD+FDWPNluV2APZNXTds52thkweIpugbcE9N0NkFJfKrYAKgv/wI+3vMGD kNXGq3F+S+JzWPgK+u4QRb4+bvRi7GKB5sbU1hEBlLhMesdql3jSBOMmlCOR8cxR Gqcfl6wmLA77jVheIEvSvlUmbk4bAihwYQe5L4a8ogbYOil14MeEES+HXXL2k2hk cqUYrSib2+pDBfkOz1D1zK4JZvEwN+tYuN05Z2C6HuzCdp9oM4ZCaEht0EghiVaq 5zZYqv5XYdQNRYjgyyrbt0KcNNWbQ5p4xhasMkMy/oJNcyHju/nUOcyGJAUMel19 bj/NGKYpewBcp8vAwvpzR58bQAU+IdkrBJF3BQm48IiaZj471QAwkjjphnMzJBX4 pdai/T1ypLtB7WdJvX9g1Fw3TDDYylPKUCk/VHB7Y1SClSWIA/Osxl2wwTGHG05w CN6abVoPAlZ2DH/TqTptRCNGfC3b6jvBJAKjo+m//yYWBSrvqKgt9o4XcpT/ZMPz HQtPA2JRINkJ1Qd5UeTdmys3LkiiUlhmriGU5jt8Eh5HO40bCYQ= =8wy8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which DE?
Anno domini 2020 Wed, 26 Feb 20:15:59 +0100 viverna scripsit: > il devuanizzato Dimitris via Dng il 26-02-20 14:07:14 ha > scritto: > >On 2/25/20 10:07 PM, viverna wrote: > >> LXDE is ancestor of LXQt. However is a wonderful DE mostly with openbox > >> combination. Openbox is great even alone. > > > >MATE with Openbox is a lighter possibility too.. > Yes, MATE is a good DE (fork of Gnome 2 before Gnome 3 madness). Time > ago Gnome 2 has been my first choice DE... > > >kinda of think of those as systemd-like DEs, bloated to the bone.). > Kde3 and Gnome2 are best version of the corresponding DE. Gnome3 are > very very insane and "phone-centric". Kde4 is too big. > > However some KDE apps are very good. I use it often. > > >LXDE is not abandoned, but it's missing stuff that you have to get from > >other DEs (=download extra libs, packages..), same as LXQT which is > >very interesting.. > LXDE is perfect for me. This is my opinion. > > >Trinity was very buggy last 2 times i tried it, completely unusable for > >me.. (even though my first ever DE was kde3 and i wanted it to work > >for old times sake... :D ) > I don't try Trinity, there is in Devuan repo? > add these, they work for beowulf, too: deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity-sb buster deps-r14 extra-r14 main-r14 deb-src http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity-sb buster deps-r14 extra-r14 main-r14 Then install trinity-keyring and then tde-trinity. Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which DE?
il devuanizzato Dimitris via Dng il 26-02-20 14:07:14 ha
scritto:
On 2/25/20 10:07 PM, viverna wrote:
LXDE is ancestor of LXQt. However is a wonderful DE mostly with openbox
combination. Openbox is great even alone.
MATE with Openbox is a lighter possibility too..
Yes, MATE is a good DE (fork of Gnome 2 before Gnome 3 madness). Time
ago Gnome 2 has been my first choice DE...
kinda of think of those as systemd-like DEs, bloated to the bone.).
Kde3 and Gnome2 are best version of the corresponding DE. Gnome3 are
very very insane and "phone-centric". Kde4 is too big.
However some KDE apps are very good. I use it often.
LXDE is not abandoned, but it's missing stuff that you have to get from
other DEs (=download extra libs, packages..), same as LXQT which is
very interesting..
LXDE is perfect for me. This is my opinion.
Trinity was very buggy last 2 times i tried it, completely unusable for
me.. (even though my first ever DE was kde3 and i wanted it to work
for old times sake... :D )
I don't try Trinity, there is in Devuan repo?
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Re: [DNG] Which DE?
On 2/25/20 10:07 PM, viverna wrote: > LXDE is ancestor of LXQt. However is a wonderful DE mostly with openbox > combination. Openbox is great even alone. MATE with Openbox is a lighter possibility too.. i've been changing DEs, DMs regurarly, but always find myself going back to MATE. (lately i've tried enlightement... works well - a bit buggy) most DEs are either buggy or feautureless. (will NOT try GNOME/KDE, i kinda of think of those as systemd-like DEs, bloated to the bone.). other than that, i'd say MATE covers most needed desktop features, and XFCE comes shortly after.. LXDE is not abandoned, but it's missing stuff that you have to get from other DEs (=download extra libs, packages..), same as LXQT which is very interesting.. Trinity was very buggy last 2 times i tried it, completely unusable for me.. (even though my first ever DE was kde3 and i wanted it to work for old times sake... :D ) back to MATE, it now (versions > 1.24) offers official no-systemd support for mate-session, so it's certainly a positive attitude, other modern DEs lack.. just 2c, d. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Solved Re: How do you remove colour/color text from Vi/vim?
On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 17:15:08 +1100 terryc wrote: > This annoyance has crept into my system some time ago and I can not > figure out how to banish it. > > I've looked through all the personal and system config files and can > not find a switch to tern off text colourisation. Thanks people, the information about 'syntax' was what I needed to banish coloured text. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How do you remove colour/color text from Vi/vim?
Hello terryc, When editing a file, try ``` :syntax off ``` Check your .vimrc for the same switch. If it is not what you are referring to, then I don't know. Ludovic On 26/02/20 07:15, terryc wrote: > This annoyance has crept into my system some time ago and I can not > figure out how to banish it. > > I've looked through all the personal and sysem config files and can not > find a switch to tern off text colourisation. > > All I want or need vi for is a simple black text on white(grey > actually) editor. I have no problem configuring that for xterms. > > I do not need or want different coloured text, which always gets in the > road on simple editing tasks. > > TIA. > > FWIW I use *edit when I can use colours for bracket matching, level, > etc, as in latex. > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How do you remove colour/color text from Vi/vim?
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 17:15:08 +1100 From: terryc To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: [DNG] How do you remove colour/color text from Vi/vim? All I want or need vi for is a simple black text on white(grey actually) editor. I have no problem configuring that for xterms. Hi, you don't give a lot of details about the issue but is simple way to deactivate any color management in Vim is to set syntax to off in one of your vimrc files. You can do it interactively too with ":syntax off", without the quotes but after a escape key press -- Sincerely, Stephane Ascoet ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which desktop manager?
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 22:05:28 + (GMT) From: Jim Jackson Subject: Re: [DNG] Which DE? You've had lots of comments, but nobody has asked you WHY you wish to change. What is wrong with MATE, for you? Hi! Nor what he's expecting from a DE... From: Rick Moen http://www.xwinman.org/ (always a bit out of date, but always useful) Dear Rick, I'm not sure that such a deprecated Website is a good advice. And I3, that a lot of geeks find to be the best actual WM, isn't on it. -- Sincerely, Stephane Ascoet ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] PSI+ (Qt) on XFCE (GTK) on Beowulf
Thanks all Hello Guy's, I solved this on this way: Didier: "Don't know if it would work to add XDG_RUNTIME_DIR to this file. That's just some black magic I would try." "It works 4 me!" ;-) ¡Sigue libre! Michael Am 19.02.20 um 09:42 schrieb tom: > On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 10:30:11 +0100 > Didier Kryn wrote: > >> Le 18/02/2020 à 10:02, kernel panic! a écrit : >>> Hello freedom Heroes, >>> >>> i will use PSI+ on my Beowulf, XFCE. if i start it on XFCE "nothing >>> happend" The "XDG Runtime Dir" never exist on GTK? >>> >>> :~$ psi-plus [20200218 9:25:18] W:QStandardPaths: XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not set, defaulting to '/tmp/runtime-michael' (unknown:0, unknown) >>> Can i make this via hand? Or any other Idea? >>> >>> Thanks in Advaced >>> >>> Michael >>> >> Many XDG_*_DIR are declared in $HOME/.config/user-dirs.dirs >> >> I know that if you want one of them to *not* be created, it >> doesn't work to just delete the line; the only way is to declare it >> as some already existing directory, eg $HOME. >> >> Don't know if it would work to add XDG_RUNTIME_DIR to this file. >> That's just some black magic I would try. >> >> Happy if it helps. >> >> Didier >> >> >> ___ >> Dng mailing list >> Dng@lists.dyne.org >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > Hey, I don't know for sure if this is the same issue your having, but I > have compiled psi-plus by hand on ASCII and been in contact with the > devs. If you do it on ASCII you must set the chat type to BASIC not > WEBKIT. This is because there is some javascript functions in the > webkit edition that do not work with the older version of webkit that > comes with ASCII. BASIC is fine enough for most cases and certainly a > lot more ram efficient but this could also be fixed by someone > adjusting the javascript to not use such new functions. It just not has > been important enough to do yet for anyone and BASIC is good enough for > most. > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] [Solved] Re: Gajim an GnuPG Fuckup
Thanks Dimitris, Yes, in a upper Version Gajim works.. But, i have found a "other GNUpg" Bug. By solving this (erase *.lock files) gajim will work in beowulf again :-) Greetz Michael Am 18.02.20 um 14:43 schrieb Dimitris via Dng: > On 2/18/20 11:02 AM, kernel panic! wrote: >> I have "delete" the gajim-pgp extension (in synaptic) but the errormsg >> will remain the same.. > > > no problem in ceres. > just installed gajim-pgp from ceres (1.2.24-1) and already have gajim > version 1.1.3-2, without such errors. > maybe you have installed the plugin from plugin-installer inside gajim? > ( menu gajim -> plugins ) ? > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
