Re: [DNG] motherboard BIOS update

2021-01-08 Thread d...@d404.nl
On 08-01-2021 22:08, Fred wrote:
> On 1/8/21 1:08 PM, d...@d404.nl wrote:
>> On 08-01-2021 20:52, Fred wrote:
>>> On 1/8/21 8:09 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
 On Friday 08 January 2021 at 15:43:37, Fred wrote:

> Is there a Devuan program that can update the motherboard BIOS?  I
> don't
> do Windows.

 I can't imagine there being anything Devuan-specific for this sort of
 thing
 (ie: it'll either be standard Debian, or generic Linux), but to get a
 meaningful answer to the question the main bit of information you
 need to
 supply is "what make / model of motherboard".


 Antony.

>>> I don't understand what you mean.  As far as I know one has to use
>>> Windows to update a BIOS.
>>>
>>> I bought a Gigabyte GA-H170-HD3 mb and an Intel i5-7500 CPU which is
>>> listed as compatible with that mb.  Unfortunately that CPU requires
>>> F20 version BIOS and the mb came with F3.  It will not run at all
>>> without F20.  I will need to buy an older CPU that will work with F3
>>> which will allow the computer to power up.  If there is a Linux
>>> program to update the BIOS then I can install Devuan and then update.
>>> Otherwise I will still have to buy the old CPU and find someone that
>>> has a bootable Windows HD useable on the mb and have them update the
>>> BIOS.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Fred
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>> You do not need Windows to update a BIOS on a Gigabyte mb but can use
>> Q-Flash from BIOS instead. Too bad you still need a working processor
>> and memory to make this work. Your motherboard does not support Q-Flash
>> Plus with which you even do not need a processor to update the BIOS.
>>
>> Grtz.
>>
>> Nick
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> Hi Nick,
> The Gigabyte web site Q-Flash instructions say it needs a USB-floppy
> device.  Do you know if it will work with a USB flash drive instead?
> And which USB port is to be used?  The update is a zip file.  Does it
> need to be unzipped first?  I have ordered a CPU that supposedly will
> work with the existing F3 BIOS.  Unfortunately it cost $120.
>
> Best regards,
> Fred
>
>
Hi Fred,

Any USB disk device should work. As a precaution you could use a USB2
port. You have to unzip the file to the USB device to let the BIOS find
the file with the new version. $120 is a lot of money hopefully you can
sell it after the upgrade.

Grtz.

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Re: [DNG] motherboard BIOS update

2021-01-08 Thread terryc
On Fri, 8 Jan 2021 14:08:29 -0700
Fred  wrote:

> On 1/8/21 1:08 PM, d...@d404.nl wrote:
> > On 08-01-2021 20:52, Fred wrote:  
> >> On 1/8/21 8:09 AM, Antony Stone wrote:  
> >>> On Friday 08 January 2021 at 15:43:37, Fred wrote:
> >>>  
>  Is there a Devuan program that can update the motherboard BIOS?
>  I don't
>  do Windows.  
> >>>
> >>> I can't imagine there being anything Devuan-specific for this
> >>> sort of thing
> >>> (ie: it'll either be standard Debian, or generic Linux), but to
> >>> get a meaningful answer to the question the main bit of
> >>> information you need to
> >>> supply is "what make / model of motherboard".
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Antony.
> >>>  
> >> I don't understand what you mean.  As far as I know one has to use
> >> Windows to update a BIOS.
> >>
> >> I bought a Gigabyte GA-H170-HD3 mb and an Intel i5-7500 CPU which
> >> is listed as compatible with that mb.  Unfortunately that CPU
> >> requires F20 version BIOS and the mb came with F3.  It will not
> >> run at all without F20.  I will need to buy an older CPU that will
> >> work with F3 which will allow the computer to power up.  If there
> >> is a Linux program to update the BIOS then I can install Devuan
> >> and then update. Otherwise I will still have to buy the old CPU
> >> and find someone that has a bootable Windows HD useable on the mb
> >> and have them update the BIOS.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Fred
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> > 
> > You do not need Windows to update a BIOS on a Gigabyte mb but can
> > use Q-Flash from BIOS instead. Too bad you still need a working
> > processor and memory to make this work. Your motherboard does not
> > support Q-Flash Plus with which you even do not need a processor to
> > update the BIOS.
> > 
> > Grtz.
> > 
> > Nick
> > 
> > 
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> Hi Nick,
> The Gigabyte web site Q-Flash instructions say it needs a USB-floppy 

I suspect an OR is implied as in USB or floppy.

> device.  Do you know if it will work with a USB flash drive instead? 

It should.

> And which USB port is to be used? 

Try them in order. Ref manual?

> The update is a zip file.  Does it 
> need to be unzipped first? 

Probably. 

> I have ordered a CPU that supposedly will 
> work with the existing F3 BIOS.  Unfortunately it cost $120.

FWIW, I stopped using gigabyte mobos years(decade?) ago as their
attitude to Linux was unhelpful. YMMV, but I also found them to suffer
short lives.
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Re: [DNG] motherboard BIOS update

2021-01-08 Thread Fred

On 1/8/21 1:08 PM, d...@d404.nl wrote:

On 08-01-2021 20:52, Fred wrote:

On 1/8/21 8:09 AM, Antony Stone wrote:

On Friday 08 January 2021 at 15:43:37, Fred wrote:


Is there a Devuan program that can update the motherboard BIOS?  I
don't
do Windows.


I can't imagine there being anything Devuan-specific for this sort of
thing
(ie: it'll either be standard Debian, or generic Linux), but to get a
meaningful answer to the question the main bit of information you
need to
supply is "what make / model of motherboard".


Antony.


I don't understand what you mean.  As far as I know one has to use
Windows to update a BIOS.

I bought a Gigabyte GA-H170-HD3 mb and an Intel i5-7500 CPU which is
listed as compatible with that mb.  Unfortunately that CPU requires
F20 version BIOS and the mb came with F3.  It will not run at all
without F20.  I will need to buy an older CPU that will work with F3
which will allow the computer to power up.  If there is a Linux
program to update the BIOS then I can install Devuan and then update.
Otherwise I will still have to buy the old CPU and find someone that
has a bootable Windows HD useable on the mb and have them update the
BIOS.

Best regards,
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You do not need Windows to update a BIOS on a Gigabyte mb but can use
Q-Flash from BIOS instead. Too bad you still need a working processor
and memory to make this work. Your motherboard does not support Q-Flash
Plus with which you even do not need a processor to update the BIOS.

Grtz.

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Hi Nick,
The Gigabyte web site Q-Flash instructions say it needs a USB-floppy 
device.  Do you know if it will work with a USB flash drive instead? 
And which USB port is to be used?  The update is a zip file.  Does it 
need to be unzipped first?  I have ordered a CPU that supposedly will 
work with the existing F3 BIOS.  Unfortunately it cost $120.


Best regards,
Fred



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Re: [DNG] motherboard BIOS update

2021-01-08 Thread d...@d404.nl
On 08-01-2021 20:52, Fred wrote:
> On 1/8/21 8:09 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
>> On Friday 08 January 2021 at 15:43:37, Fred wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a Devuan program that can update the motherboard BIOS?  I
>>> don't
>>> do Windows.
>>
>> I can't imagine there being anything Devuan-specific for this sort of
>> thing
>> (ie: it'll either be standard Debian, or generic Linux), but to get a
>> meaningful answer to the question the main bit of information you
>> need to
>> supply is "what make / model of motherboard".
>>
>>
>> Antony.
>>
> I don't understand what you mean.  As far as I know one has to use
> Windows to update a BIOS.
>
> I bought a Gigabyte GA-H170-HD3 mb and an Intel i5-7500 CPU which is
> listed as compatible with that mb.  Unfortunately that CPU requires
> F20 version BIOS and the mb came with F3.  It will not run at all
> without F20.  I will need to buy an older CPU that will work with F3
> which will allow the computer to power up.  If there is a Linux
> program to update the BIOS then I can install Devuan and then update. 
> Otherwise I will still have to buy the old CPU and find someone that
> has a bootable Windows HD useable on the mb and have them update the
> BIOS.
>
> Best regards,
> Fred
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You do not need Windows to update a BIOS on a Gigabyte mb but can use
Q-Flash from BIOS instead. Too bad you still need a working processor
and memory to make this work. Your motherboard does not support Q-Flash
Plus with which you even do not need a processor to update the BIOS.

Grtz.

Nick




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Re: [DNG] motherboard BIOS update

2021-01-08 Thread Fred

On 1/8/21 8:09 AM, Antony Stone wrote:

On Friday 08 January 2021 at 15:43:37, Fred wrote:


Is there a Devuan program that can update the motherboard BIOS?  I don't
do Windows.


I can't imagine there being anything Devuan-specific for this sort of thing
(ie: it'll either be standard Debian, or generic Linux), but to get a
meaningful answer to the question the main bit of information you need to
supply is "what make / model of motherboard".


Antony.

I don't understand what you mean.  As far as I know one has to use 
Windows to update a BIOS.


I bought a Gigabyte GA-H170-HD3 mb and an Intel i5-7500 CPU which is 
listed as compatible with that mb.  Unfortunately that CPU requires F20 
version BIOS and the mb came with F3.  It will not run at all without 
F20.  I will need to buy an older CPU that will work with F3 which will 
allow the computer to power up.  If there is a Linux program to update 
the BIOS then I can install Devuan and then update.  Otherwise I will 
still have to buy the old CPU and find someone that has a bootable 
Windows HD useable on the mb and have them update the BIOS.


Best regards,
Fred
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Re: [DNG] motherboard BIOS update

2021-01-08 Thread Fred

On 1/8/21 10:05 AM, ael wrote:

On Fri, Jan 08, 2021 at 07:43:37AM -0700, Fred wrote:

Is there a Devuan program that can update the motherboard BIOS?  I don't do
Windows.


Maybe https://github.com/fwupd/fwupdi, https://fwupd.org/  ?


 From what I remember, it has a lot of limitations and requires the
cooperation of the motherboard manufacturer.

Presumably libreboot must include a something to write the BIOS.

ael

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Hi,

fwupd.org doesn't work with Gigabyte.

Best regards,
Fred

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Re: [DNG] motherboard BIOS update

2021-01-08 Thread ael
On Fri, Jan 08, 2021 at 07:43:37AM -0700, Fred wrote:
> Is there a Devuan program that can update the motherboard BIOS?  I don't do
> Windows.

Maybe https://github.com/fwupd/fwupdi, https://fwupd.org/  ?


From what I remember, it has a lot of limitations and requires the
cooperation of the motherboard manufacturer.

Presumably libreboot must include a something to write the BIOS.

ael

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Re: [DNG] Busy cursor icon in X session.

2021-01-08 Thread Florian Zieboll via Dng
On Fri, 8 Jan 2021 21:54:49 +0700
А. Сорокин via Dng  wrote:

> Hello.
> 
> 
> Once i saw in Ubuntu turning around two balls in X session instead of
> a watch icon when an application was started. How to install the same
> balls icon for the OpenBox session?


On the Ubuntu system, I'd run

$ cat ~/.icons/default/index.theme

and/or 

$ /usr/share/icons/default/index.theme

to identify the hairy (SCNR;) cursor theme and then try to match it
against the output of

$ apt-cache search cursor | grep theme

to get its package name.


libre Grüße,
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Re: [DNG] DeVuan deleted partitons table.

2021-01-08 Thread Florian Zieboll via Dng
On Fri, 8 Jan 2021 21:48:31 +0700
А. Сорокин via Dng  wrote:

> Hello.
> 
> 
> I had a very stange behaviour of DeVuan ssytem. -- I had MBR 3 TB HDD
> that worked well on old system with DDR RAM, LiLo booted the system.
> Then i moved the HDD to a bit newer system, with DDR2 RAM on the
> board. There system did boot, work well. Then, after normal shutdown,
> when i turned it on again, system did not boot! I checked the HDD w/
> bootable CD and found that all partitions table was removed -- the
> HDD was as if never partitioned! What on the DeVuan system could do
> such an evil?


I hope you got it recovered... if not: 'testdisk' is quite powerful!

libre Grüße,
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Re: [DNG] motherboard BIOS update

2021-01-08 Thread Florian Zieboll via Dng
Am 8. Januar 2021 16:09:49 MEZ schrieb Antony Stone 
:
> On Friday 08 January 2021 at 15:43:37, Fred wrote:
> 
> > Is there a Devuan program that can update the motherboard BIOS?  I don't
> > do Windows.
> 
> I can't imagine there being anything Devuan-specific for this sort of thing 
> (ie: it'll either be standard Debian, or generic Linux), but to get a 
> meaningful answer to the question the main bit of information you need to 
> supply is "what make / model of motherboard".
> 
> 
> Antony.


I usually use a FreeDOS image (if neccessary enlarged to fit the required 
binaries), dd'ed to a thumbdrive.

libre Grüße,
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Re: [DNG] DeVuan deleted partitons table.

2021-01-08 Thread Antony Stone
On Friday 08 January 2021 at 15:48:31, А. Сорокин via Dng wrote:

> I had a very stange behaviour of DeVuan ssytem. -- I had MBR 3 TB HDD
> that worked well on old system with DDR RAM, LiLo booted the system.

LiLo!?  Wow.

> Then i moved the HDD to a bit newer system,

Still a pure Bios motherboard, or UEFI?

> with DDR2 RAM on the board. There system did boot, work well. Then, after
> normal shutdown, when i turned it on again, system did not boot! I checked
> the HDD w/ bootable CD and found that all partitions table was removed --
> the HDD was as if never partitioned! What on the DeVuan system could do such
> an evil?

I can't suggest what might do that, but as a general suggestion I advise using 
GPT partitioning for anything >2Tbytes.


Antony.

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Re: [DNG] motherboard BIOS update

2021-01-08 Thread Antony Stone
On Friday 08 January 2021 at 15:43:37, Fred wrote:

> Is there a Devuan program that can update the motherboard BIOS?  I don't
> do Windows.

I can't imagine there being anything Devuan-specific for this sort of thing 
(ie: it'll either be standard Debian, or generic Linux), but to get a 
meaningful answer to the question the main bit of information you need to 
supply is "what make / model of motherboard".


Antony.

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[DNG] Busy cursor icon in X session.

2021-01-08 Thread А . Сорокин via Dng
Hello.


Once i saw in Ubuntu turning around two balls in X session instead of a
watch icon when an application was started. How to install the same
balls icon for the OpenBox session?


Andrey.
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[DNG] DeVuan deleted partitons table.

2021-01-08 Thread А . Сорокин via Dng
Hello.


I had a very stange behaviour of DeVuan ssytem. -- I had MBR 3 TB HDD
that worked well on old system with DDR RAM, LiLo booted the system.
Then i moved the HDD to a bit newer system, with DDR2 RAM on the board.
There system did boot, work well. Then, after normal shutdown, when i
turned it on again, system did not boot! I checked the HDD w/ bootable
CD and found that all partitions table was removed -- the HDD was as if
never partitioned! What on the DeVuan system could do such an evil?


Andrey.
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[DNG] motherboard BIOS update

2021-01-08 Thread Fred

Hello,

Is there a Devuan program that can update the motherboard BIOS?  I don't 
do Windows.


Best regards,
Fred
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