[DNG] Beowulf 3.0.0 won't update
Before installing stuff on my new beowulf 3.0.0, I've run: root@greipner:~# apt-get update Get:1 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf InRelease [33.2 kB] Get:2 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-updates InRelease [26.1 kB] Get:3 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security InRelease [25.7 kB] Reading package lists... Done E: Repository 'http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf InRelease' changed its 'Suite' value from 'testing' to 'stable' N: This must be accepted explicitly before updates for this repository can be applied. See apt-secure(8) manpage for details. E: Repository 'http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-updates InRelease' changed its 'Suite' value from 'testing-updates' to 'stable-updates' N: This must be accepted explicitly before updates for this repository can be applied. See apt-secure(8) manpage for details. E: Repository 'http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security InRelease' changed its 'Suite' value from 'testing-security' to 'stable-security' N: This must be accepted explicitly before updates for this repository can be applied. See apt-secure(8) manpage for details. Unfortunately, the manpage only says: INFORMATION CHANGES A Release file contains beside the checksums for the files in the repository also general information about the repository like the origin, codename or version number of the release. This information is shown in various places so a repository owner should always ensure correctness. Further more user configuration like apt_preferences(5) can depend and make use of this information. Since version 1.5 the user must therefore explicitly confirm changes to signal that the user is sufficiently prepared e.g. for the new major release of the distribution shipped in the repository (as e.g. indicated by the codename). I.E. the secret method for explicit acceptance is not made explicit AFAICT. OK, there wasn't time to code the flinging up of a query for a [Y/n] response in real time,but what on earth is the current work-around? I'm quite content to try a dist upgrade, to 3.1.1 or whatever is the state of the art, if thatcan safely be done with this brittle 3.0.0 version. Erik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] SSL certificate or host mapping for ASCII updates for APT
On 2021-04-09 18:40:16, Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng wrote: > Hi Chris, > > crich...@blackfoot.net writes: > > > On 2021-04-08 15:32, Joril wrote: > >> On 08/04/21 16:40, crichmon@??? wrote: > >> > I'm trying to 'apt update' an ascii box, and the repos in the > >> > aptsource list point here: > >> > > >> > deb http://us.deb.devuan.org/merged ascii main non-free contrib > >> > >> I think that "country mirrors" are deprecated, try using just > >> deb.devuan.org Correct, country codes like that are deprecated, but I'm working on bringing them back. Do not use them now. > > Actually, I did already try that after reading the docs on the web again, > > and get the same problems using the same debugging tools. > > Sparing the details. > > /tmp# host deb.devuan.org > > deb.devuan.org is an alias for deb.roundr.devuan.org. > > > > Trying to browse http://deb.devuan.org/ still fails. > > The package repositories aren't really meant for browser-based perusal > but http://deb.devuan.org/ displays fine, as in an Apache/2.4 directory > listing, for me. That may be because I chanced upon an IP address that > supports that but if you *really* have SSL certificate issues, I guess > your browser is *forcing* HTTPS upon you. Regular HTTP URLs don't use > certificates. Apt still uses HTTP if you ask it to use that, so the web servers don't act any different, it's all HTTP protocol. So you CAN browse mirrors using a web browser, so long as they are HTTP mirrors. There are also FTP and RSYNC mirrors, but they all support HTTP at least. > # You might want to make sure you add that http:// at the beginning of > # that URL in your browser's location bar. > > > What I hadn't tried was 'apt update', which I'm doing now after > > updating sources.list, and it is working, so apt doesn't exactly have > > the same cert issues. > > That's because APT uses HTTP, not HTTPS, per your URL. > APT downloads a signed InRelease file and checks that using GnuPG keys > from the devuan-keyring package. If that checks out fine, the checksums > in that file are used to verify the Packages and Sources files which, in > turn contain checksums for the individual packages that are verified > before `apt` goes ahead and install things. > > That is to say, APT doesn't rely on SSL certificates but on GnuPG keys > to make sure you get exactly what the package maintainers intended. > > Hope this helps, You are mostly correct. Apt CAN use https, but didn't by default, coz the apt HTTPS transport isn't installed by default. I think it is installed by default in Beowulf. However, it still only uses HTTPS if the URLs in sources are https. As for the deb.devuan.org round robin DNS, it picks one of our Devuan package mirrors (at random I think) to send apt and http requests to. Those mirrors do not have valid certificates for deb.devuan.org, but may have valid certificates for whatever that servers actual domain name is. If you really want to use HTTPS for apt, pick a nearby one from - https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt There is a further complication in some mirror servers auto convert HTTP to HTTPS, which they should not do if they are responding to deb.devuan.org, or if they are not redirecting to a Debian mirror. Coz they have no idea if the Debian mirror round robin DNS system will send the request to a Debian mirror that doesn't support a proper HTTPS cert for the round robin DNS name. TL;DR - don't use the CC.deb.devuan.org names, don't use https for deb.devuan.org, do use https only with those mirrors that support HTTPS. -- A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Script to migrate buster GNOME DE to beowulf
Hi, attached you will find a proof of concept script for a buster to beowulf migration. It is tested only in a standard install (plus gnome DE and ssh) buster Virtualbox 6.1 vm fully updated to version 10.9. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK!!! DON'T USE IN PRODUCTION!!! Bold testers, hints and improvements are welcome. Some hacks are ugly (I know but didn't knew better ones). To test: copy migration.sh to the new system chmod +x migration.sh # as root ./migration.sh I've tested it from within the DE but it could be used from the console (I suppose). It works in two stages with minimal interaction. After reboot remove references to debian buster from /etc/apt/sources.list and run: apt purge -y systemd apt install --reinstall elogind apt update apt upgrade apt dist-upgrade apt autoremove apt install slim (and select slim as display manager) reboot Enjoy. Ciao, Tito migration.sh Description: application/shellscript ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] help: pyton script problem (after package upg?)
You problem seems to be solved upstream. See
https://github.com/sivel/speedtest-cli/releases/tag/v2.1.3
You can always install speedtest in a virtual env.
On ven, 09 avr 2021, al3xu5 wrote:
> Hi all
>
> Today, after last apt-get upgrade, the `speedtest` python script
> (package is `speedtest-cli`) returns errors:
>
> ~~~
> $ speedtest
> Retrieving speedtest.net configuration...
> Traceback (most recent call last):
> File "/usr/bin/speedtest", line 11, in
> load_entry_point('speedtest-cli==2.0.2', 'console_scripts',
> 'speedtest')()
> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/speedtest.py", line 1887, in main
> shell()
> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/speedtest.py", line 1783, in shell
> secure=args.secure
> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/speedtest.py", line 1027, in
> __init__
> self.get_config()
> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/speedtest.py", line 1113, in
> get_config
> map(int, server_config['ignoreids'].split(','))
> ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: ''
> ~~~
>
>
> I am not sure the problem is related to the last apt-get upgrade...
> Anyway, could anyone help me to fix this issue, please?
>
> Thanks in advance
> al3xu5
>
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Re: [DNG] help: pyton script problem (after package upg?)
already reported : https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=986637 d. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] help: pyton script problem (after package upg?)
On 9 April 2021 20:18:22 BST, al3xu5 wrote:
>Hi all
>
>Today, after last apt-get upgrade, the `speedtest` python script
>(package is `speedtest-cli`) returns errors:
>
>~~~
>$ speedtest
>Retrieving speedtest.net configuration...
>Traceback (most recent call last):
> File "/usr/bin/speedtest", line 11, in
>load_entry_point('speedtest-cli==2.0.2', 'console_scripts',
>'speedtest')()
> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/speedtest.py", line 1887, in main
>shell()
> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/speedtest.py", line 1783, in shell
>secure=args.secure
> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/speedtest.py", line 1027, in
>__init__
>self.get_config()
> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/speedtest.py", line 1113, in
>get_config
>map(int, server_config['ignoreids'].split(','))
>ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: ''
>~~~
>
>The apt-get log shows:
>~~~
>Start-Date: 2021-04-07 20:19:56
>Commandline: /usr/sbin/synaptic
>Requested-By: alexus (1000)
>Upgrade: libldb1:amd64 (2:1.5.1+really1.4.6-3,
>2:1.5.1+really1.4.6-3+deb10u1), libopenjp2-7:amd64 (2.3.0-2+deb10u1,
>2.3.0-2+deb10u2), libcurl4:amd64 (7.64.0-4+deb10u1, 7.64.0-4+deb10u2),
>libjs-underscore:amd64 (1.9.1~dfsg-1, 1.9.1~dfsg-1+deb10u1),
>libcurl4-gnutls-dev:amd64 (7.64.0-4+deb10u1, 7.64.0-4+deb10u2),
>python-lxml:amd64 (4.3.2-1+deb10u2, 4.3.2-1+deb10u3), curl:amd64
>(7.64.0-4+deb10u1, 7.64.0-4+deb10u2), libcurl3-gnutls:amd64
>(7.64.0-4+deb10u1, 7.64.0-4+deb10u2) End-Date: 2021-04-07 20:20:10 ~~~
>
>I am not sure the problem is related to the last apt-get upgrade...
>Anyway, could anyone help me to fix this issue, please?
>
>Thanks in advance
>al3xu5
>
I can't offer a fix, but can confirm the same problem here after apt update (on
chimaera system) with no other config changes so it's caused by something
that's come through the updates in the last couple of days.
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[DNG] help: pyton script problem (after package upg?)
Hi all
Today, after last apt-get upgrade, the `speedtest` python script
(package is `speedtest-cli`) returns errors:
~~~
$ speedtest
Retrieving speedtest.net configuration...
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/bin/speedtest", line 11, in
load_entry_point('speedtest-cli==2.0.2', 'console_scripts',
'speedtest')()
File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/speedtest.py", line 1887, in main
shell()
File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/speedtest.py", line 1783, in shell
secure=args.secure
File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/speedtest.py", line 1027, in
__init__
self.get_config()
File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/speedtest.py", line 1113, in
get_config
map(int, server_config['ignoreids'].split(','))
ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: ''
~~~
The apt-get log shows:
~~~
Start-Date: 2021-04-07 20:19:56
Commandline: /usr/sbin/synaptic
Requested-By: alexus (1000)
Upgrade: libldb1:amd64 (2:1.5.1+really1.4.6-3,
2:1.5.1+really1.4.6-3+deb10u1), libopenjp2-7:amd64 (2.3.0-2+deb10u1,
2.3.0-2+deb10u2), libcurl4:amd64 (7.64.0-4+deb10u1, 7.64.0-4+deb10u2),
libjs-underscore:amd64 (1.9.1~dfsg-1, 1.9.1~dfsg-1+deb10u1),
libcurl4-gnutls-dev:amd64 (7.64.0-4+deb10u1, 7.64.0-4+deb10u2),
python-lxml:amd64 (4.3.2-1+deb10u2, 4.3.2-1+deb10u3), curl:amd64
(7.64.0-4+deb10u1, 7.64.0-4+deb10u2), libcurl3-gnutls:amd64
(7.64.0-4+deb10u1, 7.64.0-4+deb10u2) End-Date: 2021-04-07 20:20:10 ~~~
I am not sure the problem is related to the last apt-get upgrade...
Anyway, could anyone help me to fix this issue, please?
Thanks in advance
al3xu5
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Re: [DNG] Gnome 3 Status
Olaf Meeuwissen said on Fri, 09 Apr 2021 19:59:26 +0900 >Hi Steve, > >Steve Litt writes: > >> Mate via Dng said on Fri, 09 Apr 2021 00:23:29 +0300 >> >> >>>My own preference is 3rd Gnome. >> >> What would Gnome give you that you can't get from other Window >> Managers and Desktop Environments (WM/DE)? > >A familiar work environment, perhaps? That's always nice, but for a person not wanting systemd, in the long run Gnome is a dead end. I was wondering about specific features and elements of workflow. > >I ditched GNOME a long while ago myself and did the same with KDE but >somehow can't get myself to ditch Xfce and get back to a hand-rolled >.xinitrc like I used to use a couple of decades ago ... go figure. There's a lot less reason to ditch xfce: It still (AFAIK) works well with sysvinit and runit and s6 and openrc, without doing anything special. > >It's all really a matter of inertia. I'm a big fan of inertia. Life's too short to change your workflow every month. But when you see a dead end coming down the road, or when the status quo is getting too difficult, sometimes its best to make your move earlier rather than later. >Or muscle memory. I'm a big fan of muscle memory. I use Vim. Nuff said? But sometimes there are compelling reasons to move to other software and relearn your muscle memory. Heck, if I never changed muscle memory, I'd still be using Wordstar :-) > >Going off-topic > >> By the way, are you a touch typist who can type over 35 wpm? > >In what language? And what educational level of prose? > >I am a touch typist, certified, mind you, and hit somewhere between 135 >and 140 cpm (including spaces and punctuation but no funny accents) on >a mechanical typewriter way back in secondary school at the exam. In >my native language, that works out to about 17 or 18 words for a normal >newspaper article. In English, I thinks it's more like 20. In German >it'd be even less, probably around 15. In Japanese ... who knows. What I was getting at is that the 35 wpm typist, assuming a word is 5 characters and 1 space, is probably better off using a user interface like I have (simple window manager + dmenu + UMENU2, or XFCE + dmenu but no UMENU2) rather than a more mousy UI. At 20 WPM, I could make a case for your using a UI like mine, or make a case for your using a mouse driven one. My understanding is that Gnome3 has some great workflow features for the mouse-centric user, but other WM/DEs (Window Manager or Desktop Environments) are also very performant for the mouse centric. > ># And let's not add predictive input methods to the mix ;-) ># Me very much dislikes those. If you mean these things that guess the word you mean and finish it for you, yeah, those are horrible. Anyway, the bottom line is that Gnome is nice and all that, but it's not the end of the world if you don't use it, and the way things are going, sooner or later you won't be able to use it, and perhaps it's better to change your muscle memory at your leisure than to unexpectedly be forced to do it after an upgrade. Also, for anyone typing 35 WPM or more, life is more productive when you use the keyboard more and the mouse less, and that can be accomplished by adding dmenu, and possibly UMENU2, to any WM/DE. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Gnome 3 Status
Hi Steve, Steve Litt writes: > Mate via Dng said on Fri, 09 Apr 2021 00:23:29 +0300 > > >>My own preference is 3rd Gnome. > > What would Gnome give you that you can't get from other Window Managers > and Desktop Environments (WM/DE)? A familiar work environment, perhaps? I ditched GNOME a long while ago myself and did the same with KDE but somehow can't get myself to ditch Xfce and get back to a hand-rolled .xinitrc like I used to use a couple of decades ago ... go figure. It's all really a matter of inertia. Or muscle memory. Going off-topic > By the way, are you a touch typist who can type over 35 wpm? In what language? And what educational level of prose? I am a touch typist, certified, mind you, and hit somewhere between 135 and 140 cpm (including spaces and punctuation but no funny accents) on a mechanical typewriter way back in secondary school at the exam. In my native language, that works out to about 17 or 18 words for a normal newspaper article. In English, I thinks it's more like 20. In German it'd be even less, probably around 15. In Japanese ... who knows. # And let's not add predictive input methods to the mix ;-) # Me very much dislikes those. Hope this helps, -- Olaf Meeuwissen, LPIC-2FSF Associate Member since 2004-01-27 GnuPG key: F84A2DD9/B3C0 2F47 EA19 64F4 9F13 F43E B8A4 A88A F84A 2DD9 Support Free Softwarehttps://my.fsf.org/donate Join the Free Software Foundation https://my.fsf.org/join ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] SSL certificate or host mapping for ASCII updates for APT
Hi Chris, crich...@blackfoot.net writes: > On 2021-04-08 15:32, Joril wrote: >> On 08/04/21 16:40, crichmon@??? wrote: >> > I'm trying to 'apt update' an ascii box, and the repos in the >> > aptsource list point here: >> > >> > deb http://us.deb.devuan.org/merged ascii main non-free contrib >> >> I think that "country mirrors" are deprecated, try using just >> deb.devuan.org > > Actually, I did already try that after reading the docs on the web again, > and get the same problems using the same debugging tools. > Sparing the details. > /tmp# host deb.devuan.org > deb.devuan.org is an alias for deb.roundr.devuan.org. > > Trying to browse http://deb.devuan.org/ still fails. The package repositories aren't really meant for browser-based perusal but http://deb.devuan.org/ displays fine, as in an Apache/2.4 directory listing, for me. That may be because I chanced upon an IP address that supports that but if you *really* have SSL certificate issues, I guess your browser is *forcing* HTTPS upon you. Regular HTTP URLs don't use certificates. # You might want to make sure you add that http:// at the beginning of # that URL in your browser's location bar. > What I hadn't tried was 'apt update', which I'm doing now after > updating sources.list, and it is working, so apt doesn't exactly have > the same cert issues. That's because APT uses HTTP, not HTTPS, per your URL. APT downloads a signed InRelease file and checks that using GnuPG keys from the devuan-keyring package. If that checks out fine, the checksums in that file are used to verify the Packages and Sources files which, in turn contain checksums for the individual packages that are verified before `apt` goes ahead and install things. That is to say, APT doesn't rely on SSL certificates but on GnuPG keys to make sure you get exactly what the package maintainers intended. Hope this helps, -- Olaf Meeuwissen, LPIC-2FSF Associate Member since 2004-01-27 GnuPG key: F84A2DD9/B3C0 2F47 EA19 64F4 9F13 F43E B8A4 A88A F84A 2DD9 Support Free Softwarehttps://my.fsf.org/donate Join the Free Software Foundation https://my.fsf.org/join ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Screen flickering
On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 17:32:30 +0200, Antony wrote in message <202104081732.30426.antony.st...@devuan.open.source.it>: > On Thursday 08 April 2021 at 17:26:42, Bernard Rosset via Dng wrote: > > > >> I would boot from an installation USB / CD (preferably the one > > >> you set the > > >> machine up from) and go into Rescue Mode, and see whether the > > >> hardware still > > >> continues behaving the same way. > > > > > > I just did that on the latest Devuan Beowulf Live distro (kernel > > > 4.19.0-14), and... no flickering! > > > > Booting back on the internal disk... No flickering. > > I just don't get it. Would it be hardware/cable-related in the end? > > *sighs* > > I would say yes, it sounds like a dodgy cable / solder joint / > connector to me. ..it could quite simply be dust collected inside your machine causing overheating triggering hardware trottling to near your power grid frequency, e.g. down from say 60Hz in a 50Hz country like France, to say 42Hz, which mould have your screen flicker at say 8Hz. ..fix is easy in this case, open your machine and clean it out with e.g. pressurized air in a well ventilated area. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
