[DNG] Gnome and KDE: Was: a how to question (project(s) related)
Antony Stone said on Tue, 17 Aug 2021 21:38:05 +0200 >"I think both KDE and Gnome suck - I'm quite unbiased in that, because >I use a Mac." > - Jason Isitt I think both KDE and Gnome suck - I'm quite unbiased in that, because I use OpenBox on Linux. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] a how to question (project(s) related)
Antony Stone said on Tue, 17 Aug 2021 21:38:05 +0200 >On Tuesday 17 August 2021 at 21:32:22, Steve Litt wrote: > >> After reading your message, I'll be investigating OpenZFS to add to >> my data preservation arsenal. But I still say, for those things that >> must last 50 years without continual attention, paper is the hot >> tip. > >I wonder - where do you keep your paper? > >http://hy.dehy.de/Flooding On a shelf 6 feet off the ground. As flooding increases in the next few years, I might put them 8 feet off the ground and wrap them in trash bags. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] a how to question (project(s) related)
On August 15, 2021 5:35:58 PM GMT+02:00, tito via Dng wrote: > In conjunction with a physiological process better known as > learning which transforms your brain in the primary > storage for pointers to the information stored in > your papyrus rolls and allows endless recombination > of the inputted information to achieve what is called progress > through try and error (let's see what happens if principle). > In the end this process will make you a expert in the field of your > choice and your papyrus rolls will be saved in libraries > for the future generations to study (unless they use > only wikipedia and instead of studying they just > print them out wasting loads of paper with no > result at all). Hallo Tito, thank you, you made me laugh aloud, as exactly this "physicological process" was the first thing that came to my mind when reading o1bigtenor's OP: I'd never have been able to word it that short and precisely. The perhaps most important lesson from my school time is, that, after sitting down for two hours to write a cheat sheet the day before a test, I did not need it anymore, as distilling the essence of many hours of (mentally absent) lessons in class to smallest possible handwriting on a 40cm^2 piece of paper, had made this very paper so many times absolutely needless. Regarding gardening, I think there's only one thing to add - the most important quote I took from Douglas Adams HGTTG, namely: > There is a theory which states that if ever anyone > discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it > is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced > by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. And just for completeness: > There is another theory which states that this has > already happened. Love, light and libre Grüße! Florian -- [message sent otg] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] a how to question (project(s) related)
On Tuesday 17 August 2021 at 21:32:22, Steve Litt wrote: > After reading your message, I'll be investigating OpenZFS to add to my > data preservation arsenal. But I still say, for those things that must > last 50 years without continual attention, paper is the hot tip. I wonder - where do you keep your paper? http://hy.dehy.de/Flooding Antony. -- "I think both KDE and Gnome suck - I'm quite unbiased in that, because I use a Mac." - Jason Isitt Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] a how to question (project(s) related)
Lars Noodén via Dng said on Tue, 17 Aug 2021 12:15:45 +0300 >On 8/17/21 10:39 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: >[snip] >> I've lost all my earier works on amiga and plus4 due to bitrotting - >> I sold the hardware when I realised everyting on floppy dodn't even >> last some years. > >The life span of various storage media under various storage conditions >was (and is) well-documented but widely ignored. As a student and, >later, researcher in libraries and archives in the 1990s 'we' tried >hard to inform people of what the dangers were and of viable >preservation strategies. Now as then ways out mostly center around >migration from one storage medium to another. Filesystems that detect >flipped or lost bits, like OpenZFS or BtrFS, help a little there. My technique has been this: Hard drives in the $400.00 range grow exponentially in space, so I can keep everything. I back up at reasonable intervals. So my stuff stays on my hard disk until it's time to buy a new computer, and then transfer to the new disk is just an rsync away. I have no evidence that I've ever had bit rot. My main reason for backups is user error, and the very rare hard disk failure. After reading your message, I'll be investigating OpenZFS to add to my data preservation arsenal. But I still say, for those things that must last 50 years without continual attention, paper is the hot tip. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] a how to question (project(s) related)
On 8/17/21 10:39 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: [snip] > I've lost all my earier works on amiga and plus4 due to bitrotting - > I sold the hardware when I realised everyting on floppy dodn't even > last some years. The life span of various storage media under various storage conditions was (and is) well-documented but widely ignored. As a student and, later, researcher in libraries and archives in the 1990s 'we' tried hard to inform people of what the dangers were and of viable preservation strategies. Now as then ways out mostly center around migration from one storage medium to another. Filesystems that detect flipped or lost bits, like OpenZFS or BtrFS, help a little there. Migration from one data format to another is riskier, more difficult, and more error prone. So for that the likely way out would be emulators, possibly layers of system emulators in order to be able to run the newest remaining software still capable of accessing and rendering the data. FWIW you can emulate an Amiga easily now. I have been migrating some random files from the mid 1980s but nothing of importance. I still wrote college essays directly on paper then and those papers have gotten lost. I do regret erasing the 'extra' backups I had of a key WWW project from 1994. That whole project could have been saved with some cost but little effort. The size it was then is now considered insignificant these days. Too many other files since then have been lost to flipped bits. Regarding the original question from o1bigtenor about drowning in one's own documents, if the file formats support embedded metadata, and there is an indexing program which can process that metata, then that is one way. So a mixture of HTML, ODF, and PDF, each with embedded keywords/subject headings, title, date, and maybe a description can be indexed by Recoll or several other tools by the available metadata. Another way would be to expand on the example in the original message and try to group the apparent locations of each item. Zim can do that in an annotated manner by linking to the local documents. So it would even work for turning the document collection into a zettelkasten. /Lars ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] a how to question (project(s) related)
Anno domini 2021 Tue, 17 Aug 03:21:37 -0400 Steve Litt scripsit: > o1bigtenor via Dng said on Mon, 16 Aug 2021 15:54:48 -0500 > > > >As I manage to collect some 25 to 40 GB of pdfs and notes in an > >'normal' year paper lost its appeal some 30 years ago. > >I would likely need to hire a couple people just to store maintain and > >index the information - - - if you're paying I'll start tomorrow. > > Very true, but the other side of the story is that I have my 1955 > Kindergarten booklet on "Our Trip to the Zoo" in my memory box. I > have my 1966 Junior Year Thesis on making boxing safer in that memory > box, along with the selfie I took in 1965 with my Brownie Hawkeye > camera. I have the entire set of WLS Silver Dollar Surveys, on paper, > from 1963, including the one that came out the day Kennedy was killed. > > On the other hand, I've lost some of my digital writings due to > obsolescence of hardware and software. I think the earliest backups I > can still read are 1999. If I want one of my writings to be read fifty > years after my death, I'll print it, because heaven knows who will be > able to read HTML, SVG, PDF and ePub 50 years from now, let alone read > files off that ancient "Linux" OS. > > I'm obviously not saying I should print everything. The docs in my > computer would fill my house and three more like it if I printed them > all, and the toner cartridges and paper would cost me six or seven > figures. I'm just saying there's a place for paper. My lawyer prints every email on paper and stores it in a physical folder. And no, he's not 99 :) I've lost all my earier works on amiga and plus4 due to bitrotting - I sold the hardware when I realised everyting on floppy dodn't even last some years. Nik > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful > Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] a how to question (project(s) related)
o1bigtenor via Dng said on Mon, 16 Aug 2021 15:54:48 -0500 >As I manage to collect some 25 to 40 GB of pdfs and notes in an >'normal' year paper lost its appeal some 30 years ago. >I would likely need to hire a couple people just to store maintain and >index the information - - - if you're paying I'll start tomorrow. Very true, but the other side of the story is that I have my 1955 Kindergarten booklet on "Our Trip to the Zoo" in my memory box. I have my 1966 Junior Year Thesis on making boxing safer in that memory box, along with the selfie I took in 1965 with my Brownie Hawkeye camera. I have the entire set of WLS Silver Dollar Surveys, on paper, from 1963, including the one that came out the day Kennedy was killed. On the other hand, I've lost some of my digital writings due to obsolescence of hardware and software. I think the earliest backups I can still read are 1999. If I want one of my writings to be read fifty years after my death, I'll print it, because heaven knows who will be able to read HTML, SVG, PDF and ePub 50 years from now, let alone read files off that ancient "Linux" OS. I'm obviously not saying I should print everything. The docs in my computer would fill my house and three more like it if I printed them all, and the toner cartridges and paper would cost me six or seven figures. I'm just saying there's a place for paper. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
