Re: [DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases

2021-11-22 Thread tito via Dng 
On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 04:41:23 -0500
Steve Litt  wrote:

> steph.tougard said on Sun, 21 Nov 2021 04:19:36 +
> 
> 
> >My Devuan is behind an OpenBSD. The OpenBSD has no software installed,
> >it's a pure system as release by the OpenBSD team, the code base is
> >small, strongly audited by a very small and known team. It can be
> >considered safe, at least safer. Much safer than any Debian based
> >distribution. My network configuration is so safe that I could safely
> >store unencrypted Bitcoin private keys on an unpatched Windows 98
> >without any risk if I wish.
> 
> We've all built OpenBSD/pf firewall/routers. You didn't think of


.and linux routers.

Ciao,
Tito

> nothing new --- we all know what a good firewall BSD/pf makes. That
> doesn't preclude our using Linux on the LAN behind that firewall.
> Like you do with Devuan.
> 
> Why are you so angry?
> 
> SteveT
> 
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Re: [DNG] snetaid debs...

2021-11-22 Thread al3xu5 via Dng 
Mon, 22 Nov 2021 01:38:54 +0100 - aitor :

> Hi,
> 
> On 6/11/21 10:36, al3xu5 via Dng wrote:
> > I tried to install the new packages on Beowulf:
> >
> > - snetaid 1.0-1 package was installed, but I have:
> >
> > $ sudo service snetaid status
> > /usr/sbin/snetaid: error while loading shared libraries:
> > libnetaid.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
> > directory
> >
> > - indeed when trying to install the libnetaid 1.0-1 I get a dependency
> >error being required libc6>=2.29 ...  
> 
> I've got the same error in Void Linux due to other reasons. Setting the
> environmental variable:
> 
> |export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu|
> 
> solved the issue, as you can see in the following screenshot:
> 
> https://www.gnuinos.org/simple-netaid/simple-netaid_voidlinux.png
> 

Thanks for the info. 

On my Beowulf system the path is `/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu` (without the
`/usr` part).

More, my issue is the libc6 version: I am still on Beowulf and libc6 is
2.28.


I will retry after upgrading to Chimaera...

Regards 

 
> However, simple-netaid is not working 100% in Void Linux yet, though
> there is not much left:
> 
> - Configure the runit scripts for snetaid in /etc/sv/snetaid.
> 
> - Install ifupdown, a runtime dependency.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Aitor.



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Re: [DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases

2021-11-22 Thread Tomasz Torcz 
On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 01:12:07PM -0600, Rod Rodolico via Dng wrote:
> Debian, Redhat, etc... are actually more "based on Unix" than "Unix",
> and that process appears to be growing as more and more functions are
> taken over by system-d. Just like you can say that OS X is "based on"
> Unix, but you can not call it Unix except in the broadest terms.

  That's an… interesting take on truth. Debian, Red Hat are UNIX-like systems.
But OS X (actually renamed to macOS around five years ago) is not UNIX-like,
it is actually a certified UNIX system.  You can check latest
certificate at
https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/brand3668.htm

  From all above systems, only macOS can be called UNIX.

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Re: [DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases

2021-11-22 Thread Steve Litt 
steph.tougard said on Sun, 21 Nov 2021 04:19:36 +

>The right answer is to do whatever the customer asks, as stupid as it
>seems.
>
>If the customer was intelligent, he would not even ask a GNU/Linux
>system in the first place, it's bloated by nature, kitrooted by
>default and uselessly complicated (SystemD is just one more argument
>against Linux, not the worse one).
>
>I've found that my own Devuan sends https requests to an apparently
>unconfigured Windows server on Azure (all web browser were down). Is
>it infected ? not by anything that usual tools can detect. What does
>that ? I've no idea, so far I did not find (requests are rare and
>fast). I decided to put my working PC (not the one I'm using to write
>this email, but the one used to connect to my customers' servers)
>behind a firewall to shut any useless access to the Internet down. I
>resign trying to find whatever software in the thousands installed is
>hacking my data and sending them to the Internet.
>
>Is using a Devuan can be considered "safe" when litteraly thousands of
>people build thousands of unaudited packages with thousands of
>unaudited softwares ? OMG NO !!! Have you seen the world outside ?
>what makes you think a second that there is no hacker in such a huge
>team and that all those people act only for the best of things ?
>
>My Devuan is behind an OpenBSD. The OpenBSD has no software installed,
>it's a pure system as release by the OpenBSD team, the code base is
>small, strongly audited by a very small and known team. It can be
>considered safe, at least safer. Much safer than any Debian based
>distribution. My network configuration is so safe that I could safely
>store unencrypted Bitcoin private keys on an unpatched Windows 98
>without any risk if I wish.
>
>If the customer was intelligent, he would ask a small system strongly
>audited, a code base as small as possible and that only very few
>software compiled by hand are run and installed on it, everything
>behind a strong firewall who not only filter what's coming in, but as
>well and more importantly what's going out. SystemD is just the tree
>who hides the forest.
>
>Good luck with that.

Sigh. I thought we had dispensed of BSD people dissing Linux decades
ago, but apparently not. My response then is my response now:

http://troubleshooters.com/linux/snarf.htm

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases

2021-11-22 Thread Steve Litt 
steph.tougard said on Sun, 21 Nov 2021 04:19:36 +


>My Devuan is behind an OpenBSD. The OpenBSD has no software installed,
>it's a pure system as release by the OpenBSD team, the code base is
>small, strongly audited by a very small and known team. It can be
>considered safe, at least safer. Much safer than any Debian based
>distribution. My network configuration is so safe that I could safely
>store unencrypted Bitcoin private keys on an unpatched Windows 98
>without any risk if I wish.

We've all built OpenBSD/pf firewall/routers. You didn't think of
nothing new --- we all know what a good firewall BSD/pf makes. That
doesn't preclude our using Linux on the LAN behind that firewall.
Like you do with Devuan.

Why are you so angry?

SteveT

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Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques
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