Re: [DNG] merged /usr breakage

[Steve Litt]

k...@aspodata.se said on Tue,  4 Jan 2022 00:08:01 +0100 (CET)

>Karl:
>>  The first one gives me an unbootable system
>> $ ldd /sbin/init | grep /usr
>> libpcre2-8.so.0 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpcre2-8.so.0
>> (0x7f737ba28000)
>> 
>>  fortunately /bin/bash didn't depend on /usr so I could boot with
>>  init=/bin/bash, but there is more breakage:  
>...
>
>booting with init=/bin/bash and running the files /etc/rcS.d/S*
>manually it seems to be fsck.* and mount who has dependacies on /usr.
>
>To fix this, theese packages needs to un-/usr-merged:
> libmount1
> libblkid1
> libpcre2-8-0
> libuuid1
> uuid-dev
>
>busybox can replace the mount command, but there is no fsck.* in
>busybox.

Rather than fighting the mostly political fight of usr-merge, my first
thought would be to make a whole new directory on the root partition.
If you're looking for a name for this new directory, it could be:

/screw_freedesktop_poettering_and_redhat

Just kidding. I'd probably call it /bb . Put all the static executables
needed in early boot there. If there are a lot, it could have
subdirectories, and a bb.d subdirectory with scripts to be performed in
order. 

Of course, if you do this and it succeeds, freedesktop, poettering and
redhat will find ways to muck with it, so there may come a time when
defensive measures must be taken. But we can safely put this off until
later.

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] busybox init

[Steve Litt]

k...@aspodata.se said on Mon,  3 Jan 2022 18:45:28 +0100 (CET)


>Would there be any interests having a busybox_init package which
>I could possible maintain (with a little help) ?

My opinion is that the more init systems the merrier, except for
systemd.

If busybox init does not require daemons to self-background, I'd be
even more enthusiastic.

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] merged /usr breakage

[karl]

Martin:
> k...@aspodata.se - 03.01.22, 18:25:12 CET:
> >  The first one gives me an unbootable system
> > $ ldd /sbin/init | grep /usr
> > libpcre2-8.so.0 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpcre2-8.so.0
> > (0x7f737ba28000)
> […]
> > Soo, what can I do to help with that ?
> https://manpages.debian.org/bullseye/dpkg/dpkg-fsys-usrunmess.8.de.html
> worked for me. No guarantees from my side.

 $ dpkg-fsys-usrunmess -n
 D: checking symlink? /bin
...
 System is fine, no aliased directories found, congrats!

Well, it is worse than that.

Regards,
/Karl Hammar

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Re: [DNG] merged /usr breakage

[Martin Steigerwald]

k...@aspodata.se - 03.01.22, 18:25:12 CET:
>  The first one gives me an unbootable system
> $ ldd /sbin/init | grep /usr
> libpcre2-8.so.0 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpcre2-8.so.0
> (0x7f737ba28000)
[…]
> Soo, what can I do to help with that ?

https://manpages.debian.org/bullseye/dpkg/dpkg-fsys-usrunmess.8.de.html

worked for me. No guarantees from my side.

see:

https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Dpkg/MergedUsr

Best,
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Re: [DNG] Printer trouble again. (slight progress)

[karl]

Hendrik:
> On Mon, Jan 03, 2022 at 06:52:17PM +0100, k...@aspodata.se wrote:
> > Hendrik:
> > ...
> > > DeviceURI 
> > > dnssd://Brother%20HL-3170CDW%20series._ipp._tcp.local/?uuid=e3248000-80ce-11db-8000-30055c5516df
> >  From what I can see:
> > https://www.brother-usa.com/products/hl3170cdw
> > 
> > that printer supports BR-script which is a postscript clone.
> > Why not set it to BR-script mode on the front panel, run plain old
> > lpr and be done with it. And tell your programs to always output
> > postscript.
> 
> lpr is what I use to print.  And it ends up going through CUPS.  At least, it 
> did last time I successfully printed.
> It turns out that there are several packages that provide lpr.  CUPS is one 
> of 
> them.  Presumably it provided an lpr that passes everything through CUPS.

You probably have the "cups-bsd" package, plain old lpr is in the package "lpr".

> I had anther machine where I did not use CUPS an spent quite a while figuring 
> out how to find, install, and configure the 'plain old lpr'.  Abd that 
> involved 
> getting a print driver from the manufacturer.  Of course, they provided an 
> 'installer' which had to be run as root and changed an plastered whatever it 
> wanted around the file system (something I don't appreciate).

The point is that a postscript printers don't need a driver, so if you 
only uses postscript printers (that are set up as such mode), then your
printcap file ends up with lines like:

 granat:rm=granat:sd=/var/spool/lpd/granat:rp=lp:lp=:sh:mx#0:

> I no longer know how I accomplished that.  But when I installed Devuan jessie 
> on 
> my new computer a few years ago, it came with CUPS and just worked.

Well, that is fine, but when it don't work, it is a black box.

///

Regarding driverless printing, that is what I always had it with
postscript. PCL could probably work also, but there is no PCL
previewer what I know of. Sending pdfs to printer usually gets
me a scaled down printout.

Regards,
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Re: [DNG] merged /usr breakage

[karl]

Karl:
>  The first one gives me an unbootable system
> $ ldd /sbin/init | grep /usr
> libpcre2-8.so.0 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpcre2-8.so.0 
> (0x7f737ba28000)
> 
>  fortunately /bin/bash didn't depend on /usr so I could boot with
>  init=/bin/bash, but there is more breakage:
...

booting with init=/bin/bash and running the files /etc/rcS.d/S* manually
it seems to be fsck.* and mount who has dependacies on /usr.

To fix this, theese packages needs to un-/usr-merged:
 libmount1
 libblkid1
 libpcre2-8-0
 libuuid1
 uuid-dev

busybox can replace the mount command, but there is no fsck.* in
busybox.

Regards,
/Karl Hammar

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Re: [DNG] busybox init

[karl]

Didier Kryn:
> Le 03/01/2022 à 21:27, tito via Dng a écrit :
> > On Mon,  3 Jan 2022 18:45:28 +0100 (CET)
> > k...@aspodata.se wrote:
...
> >> The sysinit thing is a how you start the system, it's just
> >> one script /etc/init.d/rcS (or where you prefer to place it).
> >>
> >> One could possible (not tested) mimic sysvinit bootup by having
> >>   for i in /etc/rc2.d/S*; do $i start; done
> >> in the rcS file or if you prefer you can have your own handwritten
> >> and tuned script there.

If you have /usr on a separate partition...

This didn't work:
 for i in /etc/rcS.d/S*; do $i start; done
fsck.* and mount has dep. into /usr

Manually mounting with busybox/mount works, but
there is no fsck.ext4 in busybox.
After mountall /usr is available, so the rest did work and
so did
 for i in /etc/rc2.d/S*; do $i start; done

...
> > I would build a static compiled busybox binary with:

  Yes like:
git clone git://busybox.net/busybox.git
cd busybox
make defconfig
make menuconfig # I wanted static busybox binary
make
mkdir /busybox
cp busybox /busybox
cd /busybox
./busybox --install .

> > init
> > a shell
> > reboot, shutdown
> > swapon/swapoff
> > mount, umount
> > (start-stop-daemon)
> > (getty, login)
>      AFAIR you would also need cttyhack, setsid and a few others I've 
> forgotten if you want to be able to debug it.
...

cttyhack and setsid is in busybox upstream.

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[DNG] Fwd: Printer trouble again. (slight progress)

[o1bigtenor via Dng]

(sorry list - - - Imanaged to send this as private email only - - - - argh!!)

Subject: Re: [DNG] Printer trouble again. (slight progress)
To: Florian Zieboll 


On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 12:22 PM Florian Zieboll via Dng
 wrote:
>
> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 12:40:24 -0500
> Hendrik Boom  wrote:
>
> > DeviceURI
> > dnssd://Brother%20HL-3170CDW%20series._ipp._tcp.local/?uuid=e3248000-80ce-11db-8000-30055c5516df
>
>
> Hallo Hendrik,
>
> as you mentioned "driverless" earlier in this thread: I remember, that
> "driverless printing" had been mentioned in some de[bi|vu]an release
> notes not too long ago - and indeed, a quick websearch confirms, that
> printing /with/ a driver is even considered as "deprecated" for cups:
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting#Driverless_Printing
>
> BTW, many printers accept a simple netcat'ed pdf at port 9100:
>

I'm a wondering if the 'experts' (in this case the cups people) are thinking
that no drivers makes things better.

Here - - - - no driver seems to be taking a very long time, sometimes 30
seconds +, to start the printing process. I don't remember printing
hesitating like this in the past.

Is this another example of the new improved being rather otherwise?

Please advise.
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Re: [DNG] busybox init

[Didier Kryn]

Le 03/01/2022 à 21:27, tito via Dng a écrit :

On Mon,  3 Jan 2022 18:45:28 +0100 (CET)
k...@aspodata.se wrote:


  I have used busybox init for a while. It differs from sysvinit
by not having runlevels, except perhaps on and off.

Busybox repo is at: git://busybox.net/busybox.git
Website at: https://busybox.net/
Comment re. systemd: https://busybox.net/kill_it_with_fire.txt

Example inittab at:
  https://git.busybox.net/busybox/tree/examples/inittab
excerpt:

# Note: BusyBox init works just fine without an inittab. If no inittab is
# found, it has the following default behavior:
#   ::sysinit:/etc/init.d/rcS
#   ::askfirst:/bin/sh
#   ::ctrlaltdel:/sbin/reboot
#   ::shutdown:/sbin/swapoff -a
#   ::shutdown:/bin/umount -a -r
#   ::restart:/sbin/init
#   tty2::askfirst:/bin/sh
#   tty3::askfirst:/bin/sh
#   tty4::askfirst:/bin/sh

The sysinit thing is a how you start the system, it's just
one script /etc/init.d/rcS (or where you prefer to place it).

One could possible (not tested) mimic sysvinit bootup by having
  for i in /etc/rc2.d/S*; do $i start; done
in the rcS file or if you prefer you can have your own handwritten
and tuned script there.

Would there be any interests having a busybox_init package which
I could possible maintain (with a little help) ?

Regards,
/Karl Hammar


Hi,
just to add my 2 cents.

I would build a static compiled busybox binary with:

init
a shell
reboot, shutdown
swapon/swapoff
mount, umount
(start-stop-daemon)
(getty, login)
    AFAIR you would also need cttyhack, setsid and a few others I've 
forgotten if you want to be able to debug it.


able to fully bring up a system.
We could call it systemB like the other one but _B_etter.
Then we implant it as blob into the kernel image
so that we get rid also of initrds creating a
PAC man like  GNU/Linux/systemB/Frankenstein monster
that eats all little sysDs.

    This wasn't the proposal of Karl. He just suggested a KISS 
replacement for sysvinit. But it does not solve the issue of the 
complexity of the RC scripts: they remain exactly the same and this is 
the main (only ?) issue with them.


    The boot time is no longer an issue with faster cpus and disks. My 
laptop takes 20s to boot Chimaera and the longest is the kernel, not the 
RC scripts. I've stopped several years ago to use any mode of suspend. 
On Dell servers, the BIOS startup takes at least 10 times as long as 
Linux boot.


--     Didier


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Re: [DNG] Printer trouble again. (slight progress)

[Hendrik Boom]

On Mon, Jan 03, 2022 at 06:52:17PM +0100, k...@aspodata.se wrote:
> Hendrik:
> ...
> > DeviceURI 
> > dnssd://Brother%20HL-3170CDW%20series._ipp._tcp.local/?uuid=e3248000-80ce-11db-8000-30055c5516df
> 
>  From what I can see:
> https://www.brother-usa.com/products/hl3170cdw
> 
> that printer supports BR-script which is a postscript clone.
> Why not set it to BR-script mode on the front panel, run plain old
> lpr and be done with it. And tell your programs to always output
> postscript.

lpr is what I use to print.  And it ends up going through CUPS.  At least, it 
did last time I successfully printed.

It turns out that there are several packages that provide lpr.  CUPS is one of 
them.  Presumably it provided an lpr that passes everything through CUPS.

I had anther machine where I did not use CUPS an spent quite a while figuring 
out how to find, install, and configure the 'plain old lpr'.  Abd that involved 
getting a print driver from the manufacturer.  Of course, they provided an 
'installer' which had to be run as root and changed an plastered whatever it 
wanted around the file system (something I don't appreciate).

I no longer know how I accomplished that.  But when I installed Devuan jessie 
on 
my new computer a few years ago, it came with CUPS and just worked.

-- hendrik

> 
> Regards,
> /Karl Hammar
> 
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Re: [DNG] snetaid debs...

[aitor]

On 3/1/22 22:02, aitor wrote:

it could be carred out in the short term.

*carried*
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Re: [DNG] snetaid debs...

[aitor]

Hi,

On 3/1/22 12:05, al3xu5 via Dng wrote:

After upgraded to Chimaera, I wsa able to install snetaid .deb
packets without problems.

It seems it works as expected.

Many thanks Aitor!


Good :)


PS:  I would also kindly ask you for information on the status of
simple-netaid-gtk

Thanks again


I do not dare giving a precise date for the packages of the gtk interface,
because there are also other key-areas on which i would like to spend my time,
such as vdev or the live-sdk documentation, among others. Even though, if it
appears to be a widespread desire on prioritize any of these concrete areas,
it could be carred out in the short term.

Cheers, and thanks for your interest!

Aitor.



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Re: [DNG] more printer questions

[tito via Dng]

On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 14:04:23 -0600
o1bigtenor via Dng  wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 10:25 AM Maurice McCarthy via Dng
>  wrote:
> >
> > No, no. It is the other way around. A driverless printer means you do
> > _not _need any driver or other software to print.
> 
> Seems to take a very long time before printing starts though.
> Then there is also the goofy ip address - - - or it sure looks
> goofy to me.
> 
> If I did install a driver - - - might the time to print shrink?
> 
> Please advise
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Hi,
did you take a look at:

https://support.hp.com/gb-en/drivers/selfservice/hp-color-laserjet-pro-m452-series/7326532/model/7326541

and

https://developers.hp.com/hp-linux-imaging-and-printing/install/install/index?language=es

Hope this helps.

Ciao,
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Re: [DNG] busybox init

[tito via Dng]

On Mon,  3 Jan 2022 18:45:28 +0100 (CET)
k...@aspodata.se wrote:

>  I have used busybox init for a while. It differs from sysvinit
> by not having runlevels, except perhaps on and off.
> 
> Busybox repo is at: git://busybox.net/busybox.git
> Website at: https://busybox.net/
> Comment re. systemd: https://busybox.net/kill_it_with_fire.txt
> 
> Example inittab at:
>  https://git.busybox.net/busybox/tree/examples/inittab
> excerpt:
> 
> # Note: BusyBox init works just fine without an inittab. If no inittab is
> # found, it has the following default behavior:
> #   ::sysinit:/etc/init.d/rcS
> #   ::askfirst:/bin/sh
> #   ::ctrlaltdel:/sbin/reboot
> #   ::shutdown:/sbin/swapoff -a
> #   ::shutdown:/bin/umount -a -r
> #   ::restart:/sbin/init
> #   tty2::askfirst:/bin/sh
> #   tty3::askfirst:/bin/sh
> #   tty4::askfirst:/bin/sh
> 
> The sysinit thing is a how you start the system, it's just
> one script /etc/init.d/rcS (or where you prefer to place it).
> 
> One could possible (not tested) mimic sysvinit bootup by having
>  for i in /etc/rc2.d/S*; do $i start; done
> in the rcS file or if you prefer you can have your own handwritten
> and tuned script there.
> 
> Would there be any interests having a busybox_init package which
> I could possible maintain (with a little help) ?
> 
> Regards,
> /Karl Hammar
>

Hi,
just to add my 2 cents. 

I would build a static compiled busybox binary with:

init
a shell 
reboot, shutdown
swapon/swapoff
mount, umount
(start-stop-daemon)
(getty, login)

able to fully bring up a system.
We could call it systemB like the other one but _B_etter.
Then we implant it as blob into the kernel image
so that we get rid also of initrds creating a
PAC man like  GNU/Linux/systemB/Frankenstein monster
that eats all little sysDs.

Ciao,
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Re: [DNG] more printer questions

[o1bigtenor via Dng]

On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 10:25 AM Maurice McCarthy via Dng
 wrote:
>
> No, no. It is the other way around. A driverless printer means you do
> _not _need any driver or other software to print.

Seems to take a very long time before printing starts though.
Then there is also the goofy ip address - - - or it sure looks
goofy to me.

If I did install a driver - - - might the time to print shrink?

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Re: [DNG] Printer trouble again. (slight progress)

[Florian Zieboll via Dng]

On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 19:22:44 +0100
Florian Zieboll via Dng  wrote:

> a simple netcat'ed pdf


Well, "simple pdf" might be an oxymoron... but 'netcat' vs. 'cupsd'
bears an impressive simplification ;-)
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Re: [DNG] Printer trouble again. (slight progress)

[Florian Zieboll via Dng]

On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 12:40:24 -0500
Hendrik Boom  wrote:

> DeviceURI
> dnssd://Brother%20HL-3170CDW%20series._ipp._tcp.local/?uuid=e3248000-80ce-11db-8000-30055c5516df


Hallo Hendrik,

as you mentioned "driverless" earlier in this thread: I remember, that
"driverless printing" had been mentioned in some de[bi|vu]an release
notes not too long ago - and indeed, a quick websearch confirms, that
printing /with/ a driver is even considered as "deprecated" for cups:

https://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting#Driverless_Printing

BTW, many printers accept a simple netcat'ed pdf at port 9100: 

$ nc '$hostname' 9100 < file.pdf

libre Grüße,
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Re: [DNG] Printer trouble again. (slight progress)

[karl]

Hendrik:
...
> DeviceURI 
> dnssd://Brother%20HL-3170CDW%20series._ipp._tcp.local/?uuid=e3248000-80ce-11db-8000-30055c5516df

 From what I can see:
https://www.brother-usa.com/products/hl3170cdw

that printer supports BR-script which is a postscript clone.
Why not set it to BR-script mode on the front panel, run plain old
lpr and be done with it. And tell your programs to always output
postscript.

Regards,
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[DNG] busybox init

[karl]

 I have used busybox init for a while. It differs from sysvinit
by not having runlevels, except perhaps on and off.

Busybox repo is at: git://busybox.net/busybox.git
Website at: https://busybox.net/
Comment re. systemd: https://busybox.net/kill_it_with_fire.txt

Example inittab at:
 https://git.busybox.net/busybox/tree/examples/inittab
excerpt:

# Note: BusyBox init works just fine without an inittab. If no inittab is
# found, it has the following default behavior:
#   ::sysinit:/etc/init.d/rcS
#   ::askfirst:/bin/sh
#   ::ctrlaltdel:/sbin/reboot
#   ::shutdown:/sbin/swapoff -a
#   ::shutdown:/bin/umount -a -r
#   ::restart:/sbin/init
#   tty2::askfirst:/bin/sh
#   tty3::askfirst:/bin/sh
#   tty4::askfirst:/bin/sh

The sysinit thing is a how you start the system, it's just
one script /etc/init.d/rcS (or where you prefer to place it).

One could possible (not tested) mimic sysvinit bootup by having
 for i in /etc/rc2.d/S*; do $i start; done
in the rcS file or if you prefer you can have your own handwritten
and tuned script there.

Would there be any interests having a busybox_init package which
I could possible maintain (with a little help) ?

Regards,
/Karl Hammar


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Re: [DNG] Printer trouble again. (slight progress)

[Hendrik Boom]

On Mon, Jan 03, 2022 at 12:10:01PM +0100, Florian Zieboll via Dng wrote:
> 
> Hallo Hendrick,
> 
> just another possibility: If there's no intermediate print server,
> grepping your local '/etc/cups/printers.conf' for 'DeviceURI' will
> reveal the printer's IP address resp. its hostname as well.

DeviceURI 
dnssd://Brother%20HL-3170CDW%20series._ipp._tcp.local/?uuid=e3248000-80ce-11db-8000-30055c5516df

There's no I number in sight.  I'm guessing that when I upgraded to chimaera, 
CUPS 
decided to use dnssd instead of an IP number, and updated its printers.conf file
accordingly.  Could it ne that my printer doesn't do dnsdd?

I think I'll have to remove the printer from CUPS entirely and add it back 
again.
Maybe even purge and re-install CUPS if necessary.

-- hendrik
O
> 
> Libre Grüße,
> Florian
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[DNG] merged /usr breakage

[karl]

 The first one gives me an unbootable system
$ ldd /sbin/init | grep /usr
libpcre2-8.so.0 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpcre2-8.so.0 
(0x7f737ba28000)

 fortunately /bin/bash didn't depend on /usr so I could boot with
 init=/bin/bash, but there is more breakage:

$ ldd /bin/mount | grep /usr
libmount.so.1 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libmount.so.1 
(0x7f5bc9b06000)
libblkid.so.1 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libblkid.so.1 
(0x7f5bc98f)
libpcre2-8.so.0 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpcre2-8.so.0 
(0x7f5bc982c000)

$ dpkg -l | grep sysvinit-core
ii  sysvinit-core2.96-7+devuan1 
amd64System-V-like init
$ dpkg -l | grep mount
ii  libmount1:amd64  2.36.1-8+devuan1   
amd64device mounting library
ii  mount2.36.1-8+devuan1   
amd64tools for mounting and manipulating filesystems

Soo, what can I do to help with that ?

Regards,
/Karl Hammar

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Re: [DNG] more printer questions

[Maurice McCarthy via Dng]

Sorry meant to reply to the list 1st time.

No, no. It is the other way around. A driverless printer means you do
_not _need any driver or other software to print
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Re: [DNG] Priter trouble again.

[william moss via Dng]

On 1/3/22 6:10 AM, Florian Zieboll via Dng wrote:


Hallo Hendrick,

just another possibility: If there's no intermediate print server,
grepping your local '/etc/cups/printers.conf' for 'DeviceURI' will
reveal the printer's IP address resp. its hostname as well.

Libre Grüße,
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If your router has a fixed address table, different routers seem to name 
this differently, set the MAC address of the printer to a fixed IP. Some 
routers require that this address be outside the DHCP range, others 
within it. Read your routers documentation. For my Linksys AC1200-WRT, 
the table is called a static lease. Since my router also honors DDNS, I 
can also name a network client. I do this static lease for all permanent 
clients on my LAN.


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[DNG] more printer questions

[o1bigtenor via Dng]

Greetings

Following the thread 'Priter trouble again' there has
been some discussion on finding the IP address of the
printer.

Thought I would look at my information.
Printer is connected to my lan using a standard (I think
it is anyway) ethernet cable.

When I look in the 'Printers' tab I see the following:

Queue NameDescriptionLocationMake and ModelStatus
HP_Color_LaserJet_M452dw_2AB8D4_HP_Color_LaserJet_M452dw_2AB8D4_Color
LaserJet M452dwIdle
HP_Color_LaserJet_M452dw_2AB8D4_@NPI2AB8D4.localHP_Color_LaserJet_M452dw_2AB8D4_@NPI2AB8D4.localHP
Color LaserJet M452dw, driverless, cups-filters 1.28.10Idle

when I shut the printer off the second line disappears

1. that's a goofy looking address - - - any ideas as to why
the address is listed like that
2. the printer is listed as "driverless"
means that something is not right - - - so what do I do?

(I'm assuming that I need to install drivers but whose and why?)

TIA
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Re: [DNG] request for assistance

[al3xu5 via Dng]

Mon, 3 Jan 2022 06:37:43 -0600 - o1bigtenor via Dng :

> Greetings
> 
> Following the official directions:
> 
> https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/chimaera/upgrade-to-chimaera
> 
> I get :
> 
> # apt update
> Ign:1 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera InRelease
> Ign:2 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera-security InRelease
> Ign:3 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera-updates InRelease
> Ign:4 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera-backports InRelease
> Err:5 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera Release
>   404  Not Found [IP: 131.188.12.211 80]
> Err:6 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera-security Release
>   404  Not Found [IP: 131.188.12.211 80]
> Err:7 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera-updates Release
>   404  Not Found [IP: 131.188.12.211 80]
> Err:8 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera-backports Release
>   404  Not Found [IP: 131.188.12.211 80]
> Reading package lists... Done
> E: The repository 'http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera Release' does
> not have a Release file.
> N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is
> therefore disabled by default.
> N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user
> configuration details.
> E: The repository 'http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera-security
> Release' does not have a Release file.
> N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is
> therefore disabled by default.
> N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user
> configuration details.
> E: The repository 'http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera-updates
> Release' does not have a Release file.
> N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is
> therefore disabled by default.
> N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user
> configuration details.
> E: The repository 'http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera-backports
> Release' does not have a Release file.
> N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is
> therefore disabled by default.
> N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user
> configuration details.
> 
> 
> Hmm - - - not only does that response me that I was unsuccessful
> in upgrading but 2> it means I really don't know what to do next.
> 
> Please - - - what do I do to succeed at apt dist-upgrade? (from
> beowulf to chimera)


Hi are you sure your `/etc/apt/sources.list' file has the correct naming?

I can see `chimera' in the output you pasted... 
But it should be `chimaera`.

Hope it helps
Regards


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Re: [DNG] request for assistance

[Antony Stone]

On Monday 03 January 2022 at 13:37:43, o1bigtenor via Dng wrote:

> Greetings
> 
> Following the official directions:

Not quite...

> # apt update
> Ign:1 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera InRelease

It's called "chimaera" :)


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[DNG] request for assistance

[o1bigtenor via Dng]

Greetings

Following the official directions:

https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/chimaera/upgrade-to-chimaera

I get :

# apt update
Ign:1 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera InRelease
Ign:2 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera-security InRelease
Ign:3 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera-updates InRelease
Ign:4 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera-backports InRelease
Err:5 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera Release
  404  Not Found [IP: 131.188.12.211 80]
Err:6 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera-security Release
  404  Not Found [IP: 131.188.12.211 80]
Err:7 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera-updates Release
  404  Not Found [IP: 131.188.12.211 80]
Err:8 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera-backports Release
  404  Not Found [IP: 131.188.12.211 80]
Reading package lists... Done
E: The repository 'http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera Release' does
not have a Release file.
N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is
therefore disabled by default.
N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user
configuration details.
E: The repository 'http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera-security
Release' does not have a Release file.
N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is
therefore disabled by default.
N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user
configuration details.
E: The repository 'http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera-updates
Release' does not have a Release file.
N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is
therefore disabled by default.
N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user
configuration details.
E: The repository 'http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera-backports
Release' does not have a Release file.
N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is
therefore disabled by default.
N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user
configuration details.


Hmm - - - not only does that response me that I was unsuccessful
in upgrading but 2> it means I really don't know what to do next.

Please - - - what do I do to succeed at apt dist-upgrade? (from
beowulf to chimera)

TIA
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Re: [DNG] Priter trouble again.

[Florian Zieboll via Dng]

Hallo Hendrick,

just another possibility: If there's no intermediate print server,
grepping your local '/etc/cups/printers.conf' for 'DeviceURI' will
reveal the printer's IP address resp. its hostname as well.

Libre Grüße,
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Re: [DNG] snetaid debs...

[al3xu5 via Dng]

Mon, 22 Nov 2021 11:32:45 +0100 - al3xu5 via Dng :

> Mon, 22 Nov 2021 01:38:54 +0100 - aitor :
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > On 6/11/21 10:36, al3xu5 via Dng wrote:  
> > > I tried to install the new packages on Beowulf:

[...]

> I will retry after upgrading to Chimaera...


After upgraded to Chimaera, I wsa able to install snetaid .deb
packets without problems.

It seems it works as expected.

Many thanks Aitor!


PS:  I would also kindly ask you for information on the status of
simple-netaid-gtk 

Thanks again 


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Re: [DNG] Priter trouble again.

[Marjorie Roome via Dng]

Hi Hendrick,

On Sat, 2022-01-01 at 15:07 -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> I installed CUPS a part of the standard istall long ago.
> I had no trouble configuring it back the to talk sweet to me printer.
> Worked fine.  Bu tnow it doesn't.
> 
> The printer seems to hae changed its IP number.
> Now I can tell it explicitly what IP numder to use by entering stuff
> in its 
> physical control panel.  So all I should have to do is to set its IP
> number to 
> whatever CUPS (now unsuccessfuly) uses to talk to it. 
> 
> What I don't know is how to get CUPS to tell me what IP number it
> currently thinks 
> belongs to the printer.
> 
> There should be some simple way of asking CUPS to tell me this.
> 
> -- hendrik
I'm unclear if you've got this fixed yet.

On my PC I simply load the CUPS webpage (its on localhost:631) and,
having selected the printer (by name), it shows its IP on the
connection line:

Connection:ipp://192.168.1.211/ipp/port1

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