Re: [DNG] article about devuan
On 2022-07-31 09:14, tito via Dng wrote: On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 13:29:18 +0100 Peter Duffy wrote: Is it worth while considering putting a link to the article on devuan.org, together with a response answering the criticisms in detail? I think yes and to the comments section of the article. Ciao, Tito The appropriate place for that interaction is on dev1galaxy at: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewforum.php?id=8 I don't get the fascination with the mediocre . . . When I originally posted links to the Linux Pro Mag articles last month [1] there was almost no response. golinux [1] https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20220623.052349.41f403e3.en.html ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] article about devuan
On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 13:29:18 +0100 Peter Duffy wrote: > On Sat, 2022-07-30 at 06:07 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Fri, 2022-07-29 at 14:27 +0200, tito via Dng wrote: > > > https://linuxiac.com/best-systemd-free-linux-distributions/ > > > > > > I think the author knows nothing about devuan and spreads FUD > > > > > > > I thought most of the Devuan review was accurate and complimentary. > > However, I've > > never thought of Devuan as "retro" or particularly inconvenient for > > newbies. > > > > SteveT > > Very strange article. On one hand, he does include devuan in his "five > best proven . . . ". On the other - some of his comments are just > baffling. > > "many of the useful graphical tools that modern Linux users are used to > are absent." Eh? I wonder if the author isn't aware of the fact that > there's a range of different window managers and front-ends, each with > a different look-and-feel, and that all of them are available in all > distros. The author describes himself as a "linux professional", so he > should be aware of it. > > "To use and understand Devuan, you must change your mindset and > perception of the distribution’s core beliefs". That's just bizarre. Is > he talking about the "core beliefs" of debian, or of linux in general? > Either way - devuan reinstates and re-emphasises the "core beliefs". > > "However, as is fortunately always the case in open source software, > users always have a choice." Except that in the case of systemd-based > distros, it's Hobson's choice: use any init system you want, provided > it's systemd. If the author had ever become aware of this, he's looking > the other way now. > > Is it worth while considering putting a link to the article on > devuan.org, together with a response answering the criticisms in > detail? I think yes and to the comments section of the article. Ciao, Tito ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] article about devuan
On 2022-07-31 07:29, Peter Duffy wrote: Is it worth while considering putting a link to the article on devuan.org, together with a response answering the criticisms in detail? devuan.org is not a social news service for trivia. If any Devuan articles were to be posted, it should be these: http://dev1galaxy.org/files/Linux_Magazine_171_Reprint_Devuan.pdf http://dev1galaxy.org/files/Linux_Magazine_Reprint_Devuan.pdf But beating our own drum publicly invites a response and we really don't need to stir that pot again . . . IMO, of course. We are #2 in Distrowatch rankings (from user reviews not ratings ie the bean counter). That speaks for itself. Run silent, run deep . . . golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] article about devuan
On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 7:29 AM Peter Duffy wrote: > > On Sat, 2022-07-30 at 06:07 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Fri, 2022-07-29 at 14:27 +0200, tito via Dng wrote: > > > https://linuxiac.com/best-systemd-free-linux-distributions/ > > > > > > I think the author knows nothing about devuan and spreads FUD > > > > > > > I thought most of the Devuan review was accurate and complimentary. > > However, I've > > never thought of Devuan as "retro" or particularly inconvenient for > > newbies. > > > > SteveT > > Very strange article. On one hand, he does include devuan in his "five > best proven . . . ". On the other - some of his comments are just > baffling. > > "many of the useful graphical tools that modern Linux users are used to > are absent." Eh? I wonder if the author isn't aware of the fact that > there's a range of different window managers and front-ends, each with > a different look-and-feel, and that all of them are available in all > distros. The author describes himself as a "linux professional", so he > should be aware of it. > > "To use and understand Devuan, you must change your mindset and > perception of the distribution’s core beliefs". That's just bizarre. Is > he talking about the "core beliefs" of debian, or of linux in general? > Either way - devuan reinstates and re-emphasises the "core beliefs". > > "However, as is fortunately always the case in open source software, > users always have a choice." Except that in the case of systemd-based > distros, it's Hobson's choice: use any init system you want, provided > it's systemd. If the author had ever become aware of this, he's looking > the other way now. > > Is it worth while considering putting a link to the article on > devuan.org, together with a response answering the criticisms in > detail? > Good idea. Maybe even try to post such where he posted his 'opinion'. Regards ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] article about devuan
On Sat, 2022-07-30 at 06:07 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Fri, 2022-07-29 at 14:27 +0200, tito via Dng wrote: > > https://linuxiac.com/best-systemd-free-linux-distributions/ > > > > I think the author knows nothing about devuan and spreads FUD > > > > I thought most of the Devuan review was accurate and complimentary. > However, I've > never thought of Devuan as "retro" or particularly inconvenient for > newbies. > > SteveT Very strange article. On one hand, he does include devuan in his "five best proven . . . ". On the other - some of his comments are just baffling. "many of the useful graphical tools that modern Linux users are used to are absent." Eh? I wonder if the author isn't aware of the fact that there's a range of different window managers and front-ends, each with a different look-and-feel, and that all of them are available in all distros. The author describes himself as a "linux professional", so he should be aware of it. "To use and understand Devuan, you must change your mindset and perception of the distribution’s core beliefs". That's just bizarre. Is he talking about the "core beliefs" of debian, or of linux in general? Either way - devuan reinstates and re-emphasises the "core beliefs". "However, as is fortunately always the case in open source software, users always have a choice." Except that in the case of systemd-based distros, it's Hobson's choice: use any init system you want, provided it's systemd. If the author had ever become aware of this, he's looking the other way now. Is it worth while considering putting a link to the article on devuan.org, together with a response answering the criticisms in detail? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] article about devuan
Hi Antony, list, Antony Stone writes: > On Saturday 30 July 2022 at 12:07:53, Steve Litt wrote: > >> On Fri, 2022-07-29 at 14:27 +0200, tito via Dng wrote: >> > https://linuxiac.com/best-systemd-free-linux-distributions/ >> > >> > I think the author knows nothing about devuan and spreads FUD >> >> I thought most of the Devuan review was accurate and complimentary. >> However, I've never thought of Devuan as "retro" or particularly >> inconvenient for newbies. > > I regarded those comments as applying identically to Debian, and are true only > if you choose (a) not to use the graphical installer (which the author has > completely overlooked), Not that I care much for a graphical installer (other than perhaps to snapshot the whole procedure) but ... I don't recall seeing an option for a graphical installer in all my ascii, beowulf and chimaera installations. Even the alpha daedalus installer didn't have one. FTR, I have only used the netinstall and server ISOs. > and (b) fail to select "guided partitioning" and "all files in a > single partition". I do think the overall impression he gives is > unfavourable and inaccurate. > > I'm rather more amazed that he labels Devuan (and therefore by extension > Debian too) as "retro" and yet gives a pretty complimentary review, in > comparison, of Slackware! > > Antony. -- Olaf Meeuwissen ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
