Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 stable

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On 2018年6月11日 21:15:43 JST, Alessandro Selli  wrote:
>On Sun, 10 Jun 2018 at 14:27:21 +0200
>Jaromil  wrote:
>
>> ahoy!
>>
>> On Sat, 09 Jun 2018, Irrwahn wrote:
>>
>>> Veteran Unix Admins wrote on 09.06.2018 07:05:  
 Dear Init Freedom Lovers
 
 Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!
 
 We are happy to announce that Devuan GNU+Linux 2.0 ASCII Stable is
 finally available.[...]  
>>> 
>>> Omedetō gozaimasu, Devuan ASCII!  
>>
>> to the list of thanks Daniel mentions, I'd like to add you as well
>> Irrwahn for all the patient help you offered to this release and
>> together with your also Andreas Messner. Yours is the merit of
>> Devuan's desktop being less and less entangled by DMs/policykit mess.
>> 
>> this weekend the news of our release made a splash on community fora,
>> namely hackernews https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17274623 where
>> our effort was always heavily denigrated and mocked, now starts
>> emerging some reasonable feedback. And last not least slashdot where
>> Bruce Perens declared his endorsement for Devuan 8^D
>>
>https://linux.slashdot.org/story/18/06/10/0321233/systemd-free-devuan-20-ascii-officially-released
>
>  It made #4 in the "Most Discussed" list of topics:
>
>440 Telsa Short-Sellers Lose $1 Billion
>412 In the Trump Administration, Science Is Unwelcome. So Is Advice.
>382 Should Developers Abandon Agile?
>265 Systemd-Free Devuan 2.0 'ASCII' Officially Released
>243 The World Isn't Prepared for Retirement
>
>  Just great!
>
>
>Alessandro
>
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Just to say a big thanks to Dev1 dev 
for ascii release!

keep up this wonderful work.
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Re: [DNG] Devuan "ASCII" 2.0 Release Candidate

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On 2018年5月10日 7:11:07 JST, Veteran Unix Admins collective  
wrote:
>Dear Init Freedom Lovers,
>
>Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!
>
>We are happy to announce that the Devuan 2.0 ASCII Release Candidate
>is now available thanks to the support, feedback, and collaboration of
>the Devuan community. Devuan 2.0 ASCII Stable will be following soon.
>
>The Devuan 2.0 ASCII RC installer now offers a wider variety of
>Desktop Environments including XFCE, KDE, MATE, Cinnamon, LXQT (with
>others available post-install).  In addition, there are options for
>"Console productivity" with hundreds of CLI and TUI utils, as well as
>a minimal base system ideal for servers.
>
>When installing from ISO, the expert install option offers a choice of
>SysVinit and OpenRC. Official ready-to-use Devuan 2.0 ASCII RC images
>are available for dozens of ARM boards and SOCs, including Raspberry
>Pi, BeagleBone, OrangePi, BananaPi, OLinuXino, Cubieboard, Nokia N900,
>and several Chromebooks, as well as for Virtualbox/QEMU/Vagrant.
>
>The desktop-live images are recommended for users to explore and
>easily install Devuan 2.0 ASCII RC and also for the press to review
>the default Xfce desktop.
>
>The minimal-live image provides a full-featured console-based system
>with a particular focus on accessibility.
>
>Devuan developers have already started working on the third Devuan
>release codenamed Beowulf (Planet nr. 38086). Preliminary installer
>images should be ready for testing soon.
>
>## Download
>
>Devuan 2.0 ASCII Release Candidate images are available for download
>at:
>http://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii_rc/  
>and from the ISO mirrors listed at:
>http://devuan.org/get-devuan 
>The latter URL also includes information about the official Devuan
>repositories.
>
>## Upgrade
>
>Upgrade paths from Debian Jessie, Devuan Jessie, and Debian Stretch
>are available. Please see the instructions at:
>https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/
>  
>The following will be enough to upgrade if you are already using
>Devuan ASCII Beta: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
>
>## Derivatives
>
>The Devuan project is about providing a reliable universal base for
>derivatives to build on its foundation. These recent Devuan
>derivatives deserve special recognition:
>
>Maemo Leste is a new ASCII-based derivative succesfully ported on a
>number of mobile phones like the Nokia N900, N950, Motorola Droid 4,
>Allwinner tablets and more.  https://maemo-leste.github.io/
>
>DecodeOS is another ASCII-based derivative targeting micro-service
>usage on anonymous network clusters. It includes original software
>developed to automatically build p2p networks as Tor hidden service
>families.  https://decodeos.dyne.org/
>
>heads, the libre privacy distro previously based on ASCII, continues
>its development and has already moved forward to Beowulf as its new
>base. https://heads.dyne.org
>
>More Devuan derivatives can be found at:
>https://devuan.org/os/partners/devuan-distros
>
>## Contact
>
>Mailing list:
>https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng  
>IRC: #devuan #devuan-dev (Freenode)  
>Forum: http://dev1galaxy.org
>Press contact: free...@devuan.org
>Bug tracker: https://bugs.devuan.org
>Popularity contest: https://popcon.devuan.org
>
>
>## Appreciation
>
>We wish to thank all of you for the incredible support given to this
>development effort, which continues to make Devuan a useful and
>reliable base distro as well as a pleasant and cooperative community.
>
>To support the Devuan project: https://devuan.org/donate
>
>Financial reports for the year 2017 are available for download from
>the same page.
>
>happy hacking ;^)
>
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Congratulations for the nice 
and really useful work!

10x a lot!

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[DNG] Happy New Year!

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On 2018年1月2日 6:09:54 JST, Didier Kryn  wrote:
>     Buon Anno devuanisti !
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明けましておめでとうございますデフ1!
HappyNew to dev1 from the land of the rising sun!
10x a lot for all the wonderful work!
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Re: [DNG] Expansion of the development team

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Thanks for all the work!

On 2017年11月6日 3:44:29 JST, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
>Dear Dev1rs,
>
>Because Devuan is growing and needs more hands on deck to make and 
>execute important decisions, Devuan's lead development team has grown 
>from three to five. This decision evolved over several weeks of 
>discussion.
>
>Original LEADs: nextime, jaromil and Centurion_Dan
>
>New team: jaromil, Centurion_Dan, KatolaZ, Evilham and rrq
>
>The group decided, from the options suggested, that they will be 
>collectively referred to as the 'Caretakers'.  Their responsibilities 
>include attending to maintenance of the infrastructure and facilitating
>
>and improving the availability of Devuan to its users. The website's 
>Team page will soon reflect the changes.
>
>nextime, while maintaining infrastructure and being available for 
>emergencies is currently not participating in the day-to-day operations
>
>entrusted to the Caretakers.
>
>The Caretakers have been working well together and with renewed energy 
>on the task of releasing ASCII 2.0 as soon as possible in order to sync
>
>with Debian's release schedule.
>
>The Dev1Devs
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Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release candidate

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On 2017年4月23日 16:19:10 JST, Jaromil <jaro...@dyne.org> wrote:
>
>
>On 23 April 2017 04:35:55 CEST, "メット" <m...@pmars.jp> wrote:
>>
>>
>>On 2017年4月22日 23:26:47 JST, Thaddeus Nielsen <thaddeus.niel...@gmx.us>
>>wrote:
>>>On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 18:14:08 +0200
>>>Veteran Unix Admins <free...@devuan.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Init Freedom Lovers,
>>>> 
>>>
>>
>>
>>>Please advise if there is any difference between this release
>>candidate
>>>and an installed beta release that has been kept up-to-date.
>
>there is no difference, only that the RC
>provides a full range of working installers
>
>those who are already running jessie can
>simply continue keeping up with updates
>
>cheers!

10x for the info!

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Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release candidate

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On 2017年4月22日 23:26:47 JST, Thaddeus Nielsen  wrote:
>On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 18:14:08 +0200
>Veteran Unix Admins  wrote:
>
>> Dear Init Freedom Lovers,
>> 
>> Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!
>> 
>> Our April 2017 gift to you is the long-awaited release of Devuan
>> Jessie stable release candidate (1.0.0-RC). If all goes as planned,
>> this will be our first Devuan stable release and our first long term
>> support (LTS) release as well.
>> 
>


>Please advise if there is any difference between this release candidate
>and an installed beta release that has been kept up-to-date.
>   RPTN


Thanks a lot for the wonderful work. 
And same question as above.  

Cheers！

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Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

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On 2017年3月15日 12:40:48 JST, Don Wright  wrote:
>Steve Litt wrote:
>>Can somebody please make a list, that we can put our names on, of
>>people who left Debian because of systemd? And put the name Steve Litt
>>on it please.
>
>Add mine too. I was a Debian supporter and pusher through my local LUG,
>showing Linux (mostly Debian-based) and handing out CDs at the
>occasional trade show, and also participating a bit on the debian-boot
>(installer development) maillist. The increasing arrogance within the
>project, demonstrated strongly by the systemd debacle, is what made me
>a
>former Debian user.
>
>Don Wright
>
>--
>Sponsored by Berserker Express. At BE, we bring things to Goodlife.
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Add mine as well

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[DNG] xserver-xorg dev1fanboy git wiki

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Hi all

Thanks for the wonderful work with Dev1 and the wealth of knowledge u provide o 
n the list, on the web.

It seems dev1fanboy wiki about minimal Xorg install is missing a package:
xserver-xorg

Ive just tried a fresh install with dev1 iso on amd64, lenovo l512, and 
everything went very smoothly.

Thanx again and bye.

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Re: [DNG] You might have seen this already...

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On 2016年5月29日 8:43:56 JST, Simon Walter  wrote:
>On 05/28/2016 09:55 PM, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
>> This means the leading sentence would be more appropriately worded as
>
>> "In my opinion, it's actually quite strange that UNIX(*) enables
>users
>> of the system to run background jobs".
>
>Well put!
>
>
>On 05/29/2016 02:48 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
>> I see poettering's point, but it's just not a problem for me. I don't
>> use a desktop environment that, without my permission or knowledge,
>> starts tens of processes in my behalf. For the most part, when a
>> process is started in my behalf, I personally started it from a
>command
>> prompt, Dmenu or UMENU. So I can choose whether or not to close it
>> before logging out.
>
>I think this is Lennart's biggest failing. He is trying to make a
>traditionally server OS into an entertainment system. Face it, most
>people these days use their devices for entertainment - not work. So
>it's not even fair to say that systemd is useful for workstations.
>
>> Every bit of this was predictable from the moment we learned about
>> systemd's architecture. Gratuitous component intercommunication leads
>to
>> ever worsening problems. A system with gratuitous component
>> intercommunication is so complex that it's difficult to predict
>exactly
>> what those problems will be, but it's a certainty those problems will
>> occur.
>>
>
>It's also scope creep, which is diametrically opposed to "one tool for
>one job". Some of the comments on that list were interesting: "...who
>in
>turn will finally get annoyed at systemd." It's like they understand
>the
>problems associated with systemd but are committed to it. So now they
>have to protect their decision - making their relationship with systemd
>
>more emotional than logical.
>
>I am not afraid of change, yet, experience has shown that consensus is
>wonderful. Lennart doesn't seem to understand that. I am so glad that
>there are people with, shall we call them, traditional (unix) values
>still on this planet.
 ＋1 for this last sentence
Big big thanks to devuan
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Re: [DNG] Fw: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

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On 2016年4月21日 7:07:45 JST, Steve Litt  wrote:
>On Wed, 20 Apr 2016 19:46:26 +
>hellekin  wrote:
>
>> This thread contains a lot of praise for Devuan.  I want to ask you
>> whether it's fine to use it on devuan.org for promotion.  You're
>> welcome to reply here.  I'll contact everyone individually to ask
>> anyway.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> ==
>> hk
>>
>
>I'd be pleased as punch if you did, and you hereby have my permission
>to use anything I wrote in the thread for any kind of Devuan promotion
>you want.
>
>SteveT

Same here
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Re: [DNG] Fw: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

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On 2016年4月17日 10:00:44 JST, Steve Litt  wrote:
>Hi all,
［snipped］
 I figure maybe if he heard a few of your use cases, he
>might feel more confident about his future in Linux. Please copy
>Patrick in your replies.
>
>SteveT
>
>
>Much to my regret (and others, too, I'm sure), yesterday, on 15 April
>2016, the beginning of the end began for Wheezy. Google, as announced
>
>[snipped by Steve Litt]
>
>Well, at least I have time to look for an alternative. Maybe, Devuan
>will be viable by then, but I doubt it.  Or Debian will offer a choice
>of inits as a standard option during installs on future releases, but I
>very much doubt it.
>_
Hi,
Using devuan on prod server here as well
（proliant xeon, apache 2.4, mariadb, postfix dovecot, gdns, fail2ban, vsftpd, 
asterisk)
I event went hc and tried the non-dbus stuff on laptop
Working as a charm and im not a programmer...
Just had to change from ibus-anthy to emacs for japanese ime（laptop）.
Dev1 saved my freedom, i hope i can contribute one day.
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Re: [DNG] Input Method Framework

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「snip」
>>removed dbus and installed fluxbox
「snip」
>> Was wondering if sby knew a non-dbus dependant IM or a way to circumvent 
>> this.
>
>Why do input methids hang out in window managers anyway?
>Isn't the proper, logical place in the keyboard handler inside X?
>
>-- hendrik
「snip」

I never really thought about it. What u say seems  logical, ill investigate 
this way.
Thanks for the pointer.
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[DNG] Input Method Framework

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Hi dear list,

Thanks again for all the work u did on Dev1 and tell me if I can help in anyway.

I followed devuanfanboy howto, removed dbus and installed fluxbox（was under 
xfce b4）

Thing is Im using Japanese a lot and need anthy or similar.

I used to go with scim or ibus but it seems they both need dbus, even the 
compiled version.

Was wondering if sby knew a non-dbus dependant IM or a way to circumvent this.

Also, I had some luck w/ the pkged ibus version, and could write Japanese 
despite the fact it complained about not finding dbus.
Problem then was I couldnt use Fluxbox,
only the running applications（tabbed and surf）were working.

Will take any pointers or advices,
TIA.
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