Re: [DNG] Amprolla3 is out for testing

[Alberto Zuin - Liste]

Hi,

Testing on my workstation + some servers: it works like a charm, thank 
you for your effort in improving our distro!


Alberto


On 20/10/17 22:47, goli...@dyne.org wrote:

Dear dev1rs,

We are happy to announce that 'amprolla3', the rewrite of nextime's
amprolla by parazyd and Wizzup, is finally up and running and ready
to be tested.

The code can be found at:

https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla3

The rewrite increases the frequency of merges (now performed
every few minutes, rather than once a day), meaning that new packages,
updates, and upgrades will be available almost immediately to Devuan
users.

We have set up a second host which will serve Devuan packages as
merged by the new amprolla3. It is now available at
pkgmaster.devuan.org and currently serves Devuan Jessie, Devuan Ascii,
and Devuan Ceres, including all the *-security and *-updates sections.
The host, pkgmaster.devuan.org, also supports https.

If you want to help testing the new amprolla3, you just need to:

- replace "auto.mirror.devuan.org" with "pkgmaster.devuan.org" in
  your /etc/apt/sources.list
- # apt-get update
- # apt-get install devuan-keyring

Then just use it as you did with auto.mirror.devuan.org. Please
report any bugs on https://bugs.devuan.org, as usual.

The current auto.mirror.devuan.org host remains up and running and
perfectly usable. Once the testing of amprolla3 is complete, the
transition to the new system should be seamless and transparent to
all users.

The new amprolla3 also provides support for the currently missing
Contents*.gz files (solving the apt-file bug). The feature will be
made available in the coming couple of days.

The Dev1Devs
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Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

[Alberto Zuin - Liste]

Redis, for sure, is one of the most used in memory datastore, a good 
cache system like memcache but more flexible when you have to store real 
data and a standard SQL database is not fast enough: one common example 
of application, is to store the authentication tokens in a clustered web 
server environment. Maybe it is one of the most powerful component used 
in almost every online system.


In my company we have a cluster of 12 devuan nodes with redis managed by 
sentinel: yes, it is used. And, as someone else said, no it is not a 
system tool.


Also, just a curiosity: Redis project started by an Italian guy which is 
also in the VUA group.


Alberto


On 18/10/17 16:04, Steve Litt wrote:

On Wed, 18 Oct 2017 15:46:39 +0200
Bardot Jérôme  wrote:


redis (4:4.0.2-3) unstable; urgency=medium

   This version drops the Debian-specific support for the
   /etc/redis/redis-{server}.sentinel.{pre,post}-{up,down}.d
directories in favour of using systemd's ExecStartPre, ExecStartPost,
ExecStopPre, ExecStopPost commands.

  -- Chris Lamb   Wed, 11 Oct 2017 22:55:00 -0400

Does anyone here actually use redis? I looked it up, and to me it looks
like dbus on steroids. An in-memory data store accessible by lots of
different applications. What could POSSIBLY go wrong?
  
SteveT


Steve Litt
October 2017 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century
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Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable LTS

[Alberto Zuin - Liste]

YEAH!


On 05/25/2017 07:21 PM, Veteran Unix Admins wrote:
> Dear Init Freedom Lovers,
>
> Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!
>
> Many of you might remember November 2014 when we announced that
> we were going to fork Debian. Well, we have done exactly that. It
> has been a long process, but now over two years later, we proudly
> present Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 Stable.
>
> There have been no significant bug reports since Devuan Jessie
> RC2 was announced only three weeks ago and the list of release
> critical bugs is now empty. So finally Devuan Jessie Stable is
> ready for release!  As promised, this will also be a
> Long-Term-Support (LTS) release. Our team will participate in
> providing patches, security updates, and release upgrades beyond
> the planned lifespan of Debian Jessie.
>
> A lot of appreciation has been coming our way in the last few
> weeks.  And now with this Stable release we anticipate that even
> the most skeptical among private and enterprise users will
> finally be ready to jump on the Devuan train.
>
> Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 Stable is a major milestone in the new path
> drawn by the Devuan project and its development has provided an
> opportunity to lay down a strong foundation for the Devuan
> community. In the last two years we have put in place a powerful
> infrastructure to support the development and growth of Devuan,
> which now includes:
>
> - Source management 
> - Continuous integration 
> - Bug tracking 
> - User forum 
> - Package statistics and analysis 
>
> During the Jessie release cycle we have strenghtened and
> optimised these services and also migrated to more powerful
> hardware to cope with the increased loads we have experienced.
>
> The ambitious plan to provide a no-nonsense universal GNU+Linux
> distribution does not stop here - it extends beyond this release.
>
> Our main development efforts will now turn to Devuan ASCII (Minor
> Planet #3568), which will be the next stable release. We are
> confident that the preliminary ASCII ISOs could be available for
> testing soon. Beyond ASCII - the saga of Beowulf (Minor Planet
> #38086) appropriately mirrors the path we have taken.  :^)
>
> Please find below instructions to try out or install Devuan
> Jessie 1.0.0 Stable on your computer and to upgrade from Debian
> 7 (Wheezy) or Debian 8 (Jessie). If you are already using Devuan
> Jessie RC2, a simple `apt-get update && apt-get upgrade` will be
> enough to get the latest updates.
>
>
> ## Download (for new installs)
>
> Official Devuan images are distributed via the website
> 
>
> To ease the load on our bandwidth we kindly ask you to use one of
> the following mirrors
>
> - 
> - 
> - 
> - 
> - 
> - 
> - 
> - 
> - 
> - 
> - 
> - 
> - 
> - 
> - ftp://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan
> - ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/devuan
> - rsync: mirror.leaseweb.com::devuan
> - rsync: ftp.nluug.nl::devuan
> - rsync: mirror.alpix.eu::devuan
>
> Note: For off-line installations we recommend using the DVD image
> or the live images, not the /installer-iso images. For on-line
> installations please use the NETINST images.
>
> (The use of the CD image is not recommended, since the iso does
> not contain enough applications to make it useful in any off-line
> circumstance.)
>
> All files offered for download come with their SHA256 hash to
> check the integrity (either in the `SHA256SUMS` or in the .sha
> files) and with a cryptographic signature made using GnuPG by one
> of the Devuan developers in charge of the build, included as .asc
> file.
>
> An understanding of Devuan's script-friendly file naming scheme and
> directory structure will help you find what you need:
> 
>
> ## Upgrade (for existing installations)
>
> Devuan Jessie Stable can be adopted as a flawless upgrade path from
> both Debian 7 (Wheezy) and Debian 8 (Jessie). This is a main goal for
> the Devuan Jessie stable release and has proven to be a very stable
> operation every time it has been performed. Detailed installation and
> upgrade instructions are available including translations:
> 
>
> The Devuan Apt package repositories are:
>
> ```
> deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie  main
> deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-updates  main
> deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged 

Re: [DNG] Ian Murdock

[Alberto Zuin - Liste]

I agree to both: release a communicate now and dedicate to him the first 
beta or stable release.

Alberto

On 31/12/15 10:46, Micky Del Favero wrote:

Franco Lanza  writes:


I think we should release a communicate about Ian
to celebrate him and mourn he's death.

I also think so.

Ciao, Micky


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Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims

[Alberto Zuin - liste]

IMHO, if an external program calls a systemd API, does it because want 
that systemd does something.
Write 10-100-1000 systemd shims that don't do anything, simply returns 
true is not a solution: in case, we have to translate the systemd 
api call to the real daemon in execution and this could be an effort 
bigger than evacuate systemd to 10.000 packages.



On 08/08/15 17:49, Mark S Bilk wrote:

It seems to me that it's good to have shim programs that satisfy
dependencies of apps on systemd, each shim performing some systemd
function.  Here's why:

Suppose there are 10,000 application programs (apps) for Linux,
and their developers foolishly insert dependencies on systemd.

If Devuan developers write 50 simple shims to fulfill those
dependencies, then Devuan users can run those 10,000 apps
as they are, directly from the Debian repos.  And when the
apps are updated, they will still run.  The Devuan devs
don't have to deal with those 10,000 updates at all.  And
the shim programs only have to be updated when the systemd
API that they are emulating changes.

Now suppose that systemd shims are not used.  That means that
all 10,000 apps have to be patched by Devuan developers so they
don't depend on systemd.  And all the 10,000 patched apps have to
sit in a Devuan repo that has to be maintained.  And every time one
of those 10,000 apps is updated, the Devuan devs have to repatch
it to remove the systemd dependencies and recompile it.  The
Devuan devs can request the app devs to remove the systemd
dependencies, but that has a low probability of success,
because the app devs have lemming-consciousness rather than
Unix-consciousness, and think that systemd is fine because
the major distros have adopted it.

So using a relatively small number of shim programs in Devuan
will save an enormous amount of work for the Devuan developers,
which will allow them to use their time for more productive
purposes -- making Devuan more generally useful and attractive,
thereby gaining far more users.

Now I realize that the idea of having those shim programs is
going to make some Devuan people scream, Unclean!  Unclean!.
But the shim programs will be under our control and will
save us a huge amount of constantly ongoing work of updating
apps.  And Devuan will succeed with only 25 developers and
administrators instead of needing 500.

So please drop the fear of contamination, and consider the
shims as a simple, inexpensive and effective wall of defense
against systemd.

   Mark

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Re: [Dng] straw poll, non-free firmware for installers

[Alberto Zuin - liste]

When we have to install a distro on special hardware (an old dell 
server?) it's always an annoying thing to use a second pc to download 
the ethernet drivers, copy them to an USB key and so on.
Having them in on the same media, with the option to opt-out (so it's 
not mandatory for the user to install it if not wanted), IMHO it's a 
thing that can help the diffusion of our distro.


Alberto


On 06/06/15 19:29, Joel Roth wrote:

On Fri, Jun 05, 2015 at 01:13:51AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:

 From a legal point of view, I would also carefully refrain from
redistributing any non-free firmware in Devuan, the main reason being
that usually you *don't* have the right to redistribute it, and even
if you have got this right from the HW constructor, such right can be
withdrawn any moment at their own will, which might be a quite
unpleasent surprise for Devuan...

Hi KatolaZ and others,

Since many other Linux distributions include firmware
without any special agreement, I think there is a reasonable
precedent for including such files, although certainly this
could be more thoroughly researched.

If, for considerations regarding free software, Devuan
releases *two* boot disk images, I would suggest they
be named something like DevuanWorksBetter.iso and DevuanMayWork.iso
so that people will know what to expect.

In which case, for manpower reasons, Devuan may opt to
release only the WorksBetter version, and develop MayWork in
response to future user demand or legal requirement.

IMO, the decision will ultimately rest on those actually doing
the work.

Regards,

Joel

  

HND

KatolaZ

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[Dng] How to official package compilation for a newbie

[Alberto Zuin - liste]

Hi all,
I always been behind the scenes of this mailing list because I don't 
have the experience in how to do a distro that most of you have (I'm 
more active on other things related to devuan).
Anyway, I just ended to de-systemd a group of packages on my laptop 
(erlang) because I need it for work: it's my first experiment in that 
sense, so if someone more expert than me woult take care of this package 
in the official repository, I'm happy to give him all the steps that I 
did; if there isn't a volounteer, but someone (Nextime or Jaromill) 
could give me some information to make the things in the correct way, 
I'm happy to maintain this group of packages now and in the future.

Thank you,
Alberto
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Re: [Dng] pre alpha valentine (secret love declaration)

[Alberto Zuin - Liste]

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Hi Jaromil,
thank you for the gift!
Now, I personally hope that this can put an end to every flame about
the fake project and you ask for money for nothing.
Have a nice weekend,
Alberto


Il 14/02/2015 9:36 pm, Jaromil ha scritto:
 
 re all,
 
 Here is a pre-alpha sneak preview of Devuan at the current state of
 affairs. It is my valentine to Franco: despite we probably never met in
 person, I love him.  He is really dedicated to this project and putting
 hard work in it. I also fell in love with another VUA, whose name I
 won't tell, but he is the one hosting the gitlab, running very well.
 
 
 http://mirror.debianfork.org/devuan-jessie-i386-xfce-prealpha-valentine.iso
 
 http://mirror.debianfork.org/devuan-jessie-i386-xfce-prealpha-valentine.iso.asc
 
 http://mirror.debianfork.org/devuan-jessie-i386-xfce-prealpha-valentine.iso.sha
 
 do not use this in production, this is an internal preview (not even an
 alpha) for the Devuan enthusiastic community and for those wondering if
 we'll really make it: yes we will.
 
 Journalists and DWN editors reading: please do not link this.  We will
 have another more public release soon :^) Let it be a private valentine
 
 Also please note that this is not yet rebranded, so it says Debian
 almost everywhere. Didn't find the time for that yet.
 
 default user is 'devuan'
 password is always 'devuan', also for root
 
 sources are those of Debian 8 RC1 jessie
 plus the mods here: https://git.devuan.org/groups/packages-base
 and packed with the SDK https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-sdk
 
 
 happy hacking
 
 
 
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