Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd [update]

[Bardot Jérôme]

This is what the debian maintainer wrote to me about redis.

(i ask if i miss understood the patch loq )

> Maybe i miss understood the message ?

You did. As the changelog entry mentions, it's only the Debian-
specific (eg.) /etc/redis/redis-server.pre-up.d support that have
been removed... and they were removed from both SysV and the systemd
"variants".



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[DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

[Bardot Jérôme]

redis (4:4.0.2-3) unstable; urgency=medium

  This version drops the Debian-specific support for the
  /etc/redis/redis-{server}.sentinel.{pre,post}-{up,down}.d directories in
  favour of using systemd's ExecStartPre, ExecStartPost, ExecStopPre,
  ExecStopPost commands.

 -- Chris Lamb   Wed, 11 Oct 2017 22:55:00 -0400



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Re: [DNG] Gnome?

[Bardot Jérôme]

Le 28/09/2017 à 13:41, Arnt Karlsen a écrit :
> On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 09:40:54 +0200, Bardot wrote in message 
> :
>
>> Le 27/09/2017 à 18:24, Edward Bartolo a écrit :
>>> Quote: "Yes, we do want them, because we want enough users of Gnome
>>> here so we can tell the Gnome project to make systemd conditional in
>>> their source tree, and to accept the patches we (and others) will
>>> send upstream."
>> If the work is done i don't know why they not accept it.
> ..could easily be politics: "Systemd und ordning muss sein!"
>
>>> Pushing systemd down Gnome users' throats is part of their marketing
>>> strategy. How are you going to convince the Gnome developers not to
>>> use anything to that helps them attain their goals? Is it enough to
>>> state the already stated about systemd and its adoption? I am afraid
>>> the developers are too enthusiastic about systemd's new ways to
>>> accept the olden ways.
>> There is a few number of young developper aware of this.
>> Me for example. But it's not easy to create a company and
>> take time for not remunerate work on free software.
> ..true, especially when "upstream hates you", or when 
> everyone believes "it's not worth the while nor effort."
>
I know several sys admin whom migrate to devuan the last past weeks
because their prod server bug cause of systemd.

I show several messages from twitter like "f%ck you systemd" the last is
because restart won't work because of dbus.

I hope a day debian people woke up.

The last step for me before migrate is devuan catch up last debian testing.

Do you or something else know if some companies need dev work on free
software ? 

Because i will be available soon.

How many people currently work on devuan ?




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Re: [DNG] Gnome?

[Bardot Jérôme]

Le 27/09/2017 à 18:24, Edward Bartolo a écrit :
> Quote: "Yes, we do want them, because we want enough users of Gnome
> here so we can tell the Gnome project to make systemd conditional in
> their source tree, and to accept the patches we (and others) will send
> upstream."
If the work is done i don't know why they not accept it.
> Pushing systemd down Gnome users' throats is part of their marketing
> strategy. How are you going to convince the Gnome developers not to
> use anything to that helps them attain their goals? Is it enough to
> state the already stated about systemd and its adoption? I am afraid
> the developers are too enthusiastic about systemd's new ways to accept
> the olden ways.

There is a few number of young developper aware of this.
Me for example. But it's not easy to create a company and
take time for not remunerate work on free software.


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Re: [DNG] A problem with a license

[Bardot Jérôme]

On 05/07/2017 11:56, KatolaZ wrote:
> DR D1Rs,
>
> yesterday I was reviewing a new package made by Daniel Abrecht (DPA),
> a little library that implements the sd_journal_* functions by
> redirecting the calls to syslog. The project can be found here:
>
>   https://git.devuan.org/DPA/sd_journal_shim
>
> This would allow to avoid to link against libsystemd0 if the program
> wants just to use systemd logging facilities.
>
> I was about to move it under devuan-packages to build it for
> experimental, but I noticed that the License (an almost regular
> Expat/MIT license, for the rest) contained an additional clause:
>
>   "This software shall not be used to encourage others to use the
>   systemd journal API, or any of it's sd_journal_* functions."
>
> so I immediately held my horses. My main complaint here is that this
> clause makes the software non compliant with freedom 0 (the freedom to
> use the software for whatever aim and task), so technically speaking
> the package is not free-software, and cannot go in Devuan/main. Aside
> from that, that clause makes the library GPL-incompatible, which would
> undermine the good intentions of DPA. making the library practically
> useless (unless the programs linking it are not GPL).
Send a message to DPA, i think he will correct that.
> In a word, I would not agree to include this package in Devuan/main,
> unless that clause is removed. But just for the sake of clarity (and
> because I think this can create a nasty precedent) I thought it was
> good to ask here.
>
> Please, please, please: let's avoid to tranform this in a flame. The
> thing is that Devuan/main should include only free-software, and that
> clause makes the package non-compliant with the basic freedom 0. We
> would like suggestions as of whether the clause should be removed or
> the package should go in Devuan/non-free (I can't see any other5B
> alternative).
>
> HND
>
> KatolaZ
>
>
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Re: [DNG] hplip need systemd

[Bardot Jérôme]

Le 05/10/2016 à 01:23, Rick Moen a écrit :
> Quoting Go Linux (goli...@yahoo.com):
>
>> Indeed, cups does print.  But it doesn't have perks of the HP device
>> manager that lets you clean/align and check the status of the
>> cartridges etc. At least I haven't found that in cups.
> In case my meaning was somehow unclear:  printer-driver-hpcups and
> printer-driver-hpijs are the _parts_ of metapackage hplip that you 
> and M. Bardot need.  
>
> I'm not saying 'install only CUPS'.  I'm saying 'install only the 
> constituent parts of 'hplip' that you actually want.
>
 I found it, thx.

 But after some troubles i realize the package i need wich require
libsane-hpaio.

 I didn't see it the first time i look because i was focus on the hplip.
So i have the same question for libsane-hpaio (even i know there is a
alternative policykit in devuan repo).

 J.


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[DNG] hplip need systemd

[Bardot Jérôme]

hi,

i follow since a while this mailing list.

For the moment i don't use devuan but i don't like systemd.

I try to not use it on stretch, but life without network manager is not
easy :)

I don't know if you know but hplip need policykit and therefore systemd.

Do you have alternative to hplip or better can i use devuan from stretch ?


Jérôme

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Re: [DNG] Upcoming Kali Linux 2.0 - systemd?

[Bardot Jérôme]

I know Raphaël Hertzog ( hert...@debian.org ) a french dev
work with debian and kali. He also write debian handbook.

Maybe he can help.


Le 21/07/2015 11:51, Jaromil a écrit :
 
 dear list,
 
 I'm sure you heard of Kali, likely most people here still remembers
 Backtrack: there was a rename along the way. This is the most popular
 distro packed with penetration-testing and networking tools, Debian
 based.
 
 since a while they have been forced to switch to systemd as any other
 Debian derivative, now they are approaching a 2.0 release and of course
 have problems with systemd which will likely lead to some weaknesses in
 an otherwise pretty well hardened distro.
 
 See: https://bugs.kali.org/view.php?id=1871 for instance they are
 experiencing problems in avoiding daemons to start at boot.
 
 Has anyone here contacts with Kali? At Devuan we would be delighted to
 work with them to make it possible to have at least a systemd-free
 flavor of Kali so that users don't have to struggle with the avalanche
 and attack surface opened by it. Kali users are technical aware and have
 solid concerns about security, I think working together to have at least
 an alternative would be a win-win situation, as many Devuan developers
 are also Kali users and we wouldn't have to do all this work by
 ourselves then. It should be as easy as switching the source repository.
 
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Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

[Bardot Jérôme]

I'm not agree with that.
I begin with debian ( at school ) and nano default editor permit to
focus learn how distro work and not how can write something.

First impressions are very important when we start with new distro.

The good solution is, for me, add in installer the choice of the default
éditor.

Le 19/07/2015 12:30, Ста Деюс a écrit :
 Good time of the day, Klaus.
 
 
 On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 17:02:55 +0100 you wrote:
 
 Even though mc is something good for beginners but debian or devuan is
 not focusing on beginners and even devuan is focusing on veteran unix
 admins so vi(m) would be the only proper choice. :-D
 
 I do not agree. I also use Linux not the first decade, and all that
 time never used vi(m) and always used MC even in X-sessions. Especially
 it is of great worth when in single mode (when repairing OS): MC and
 MCedit.
 
 On other hand vim/nano -- are hard to use w/ its not usual keys binding
 and other stuff -- i do not remember of already for now. Whereas MCedit
 uses F-keys -- that people could get habit when they used DOS programs.
 -- Also, for every F-key there is a note below the screen -- so that w/
 a single key press a function is called, and even a newbie can do basic
 and essential functions.
 
 So MC is the proper choice.
 
 
 Regards, Sthu.
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[Dng] Migration

[Bardot Jérôme]

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Hello everybody
My schedule was full, i want to know if we can migrate from stretch and
what how can i do this.

Do you know if there is a version of network-manager-gnome and co
without systemd ?



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[Dng] Need some informations

[Bardot Jérôme]

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Hello,

I want upgrate my debian testing to Devuan.
Where can i find tutorials ?
I need the repositories address for update my source.list.
I think the SEO need to be improve for devuan websites.

And a last question, how with sysinit can i do the same as a systemctl
enable/disable ?

I hope Devuan going to be great Distro.

Jérôme
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