[DNG] Keep the friendsofdevuan site or not?
Hi all, I just had a renewal notice for friendsofdevuan.org. Nothing expensive, and I can just let it sit there, but the email set me thinking... Is it worth keeping a friends-of site? It was mildly useful while Devuan had a single-page site, but that's no longer the state of affairs. Nice people posted various how-tos on installation and configuration, but of those posts must be obsolete now the beta is out. What purpose might an unofficial site like friendsof serve? I was thinking of user artwork, the more experimental don't-try-this-at-home-kids tutorials, unofficial mirror lists and the like. Do you have any other ideas? Please let me know off-list. Thanks, David Harrison/FlibberTGibbet ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Dng Digest, Vol 18, Issue 42
On 16/03/2016 21:30, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: WARNING: Regardless of David's intent, which I assume is benign, the preceding paragraph is solicitation to commit felony copyright infringement. Nobody should email proprietary software to others, without a written OK from the copyright holder. This kind of request should never be made on any kind of mailing list. Thanks, SteveT With respect, Steve, what on earth do you mean? I asked if someone would mail me *their own* replacement stub program that they use *in place* of a proprietary executable. So yes, my intent is benign and is not counter to any copyright. David ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Microsoft upgrades Windows 7 to 10 without permission
On 16/03/2016 10:49, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: I Dropped back to 7, created a .exe that simply returns to OS, and then replaced c:\Windows\system32\GWX\GWX.exe and c\Windows\SysWOW64\GWX\GWX.exe with my NOP code. Would it be possible to share that .exe off-list? It would come in very handy with killing the nags on my own Win7 box. Cheers, David H ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Topics
On 17/03/2016 10:13, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: I'm sorry, but the subject of your mail is not related with the matter you discuss, and the matter you discuss has nothing to do in a Linux mailing list. I apologize profusely for the one-post aside and for the hours of your life it must have wasted. Could you please take control over your mail agent and discuss this far off-topic subject privately. Seeing as you ask so nicely, but of course. David ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Migration to devuan Jessie failed on rpi-zero
On 08/02/2016 12:00, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: However, it is undeniable that with the 5$ pi-zero out there will be pis everywhere, and there is no reason to add init lock-in to boot and graphics lock-in. In a word, it would be much better to have a systemd-free distro for pis, and from my (biased) point of view Devuan seems the best candidate... How similar is a current RPi to a Banana Pi? Someone on the #xroutine IRC channel succeeded with Void Linux on a BPi. Void is an independent distro with different strengths and weaknesses to a Devuan-based system, but they may still have some useful tips. I gather it wasn't entirely plain sailing :) There's a brief mention of it here: http://wiki.xroutine.de/index.php?title=Banana_Pi Cheers, David H ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Dng Digest, Vol 17, Issue 34
On 06/02/2016 18:27, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: I have had enough. Filter this rubbish! Amen, Edward. Let's start by filtering those rants. You asked a question and people, some of whom have given you a lot of useful advice over recent months, were good enough to answer you. You disagree with some of the answers. That's life. Please leave it there, or go kick your tin can somewhere else. It's tiresome. The signal to noise ratio on this list is getting out of hand. David H ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.
On 03/02/2016 12:00, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: In exactly this sense: Let's leave "transmuting into organic fertilizer" to the fraudsters and break up this boring and somehow quite exhausted "network - connection - manager" triangle... +1 on "connection" and "manager"... Let's take a moment to grossly oversimplify what the software does! It helps you put things up, inspect them, and take them down again. What other tools allow that? How about "net-peg" or "net-pin"? Or, looking around my work area desperately for similar metaphors, "net-sticker" or "cable-tie" :) David ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Dng Digest, Vol 15, Issue 85
On 21/12/2015 16:30, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: > "I despise it when people don't behave according to established norms of > my cultural background" isn't really any better ... Isn't it? I'll rise to that lure, even though it adds to a rather dull apres-troll debate. I assert that it's fine to decry piss-poor behaviour. A person can be powerless over their origins, original social class/caste, sexual orientation, cognitive development, and all the rest. Taking issue with these factors is pointless and just plain spiteful. I assert that how someone treats others is another matter entirely. It involves some personal choice, and is therefore open to comment. How certain are you that Mitt's complaint was based on some cultural assumption, the very existence of which you seem to disapprove? Or that an opinion derived from a culture is automatically wrong? Or could the complainer, perhaps, have seen a behaviour, considered it from several angles, and decided it's a bad thing? Then exercised their right to say so? Devuan sprang from a fierce disagreement over how people should treat others, and against a decaying establishment. A consensus was reached that a certain group's behaviour was wrong, and that something had to be done to counter it. The Devuan community, therefore, embodies cultural debate, simply because it tries to do things differently to Debian. If we can't wrangle over what is acceptable behaviour within our own community then let's throw in the towel, stand back when others do whatever they want, whether or not it's against our interests, and retreat to our holes in the ground. Poettering and company win. Fin. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring, minimalism
On 16/12/2015 15:30, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: Hi Dev1fanboy, I revised the translation (italian) and added The CC html code at the end of the text file (attached). I hope it fits the purpose If any italian speaker has 5 minutes to spare having a look at it I would be glad to incorporate any correction. In the meanwhile I will try to register to the wiki and add the translated version myself, if possible. Cheers, Antonio Hi Antonio, I just saw your registration go through on the friends-of wiki. If you have any issues posting a translation, please contact me off-list and I'll help you out. Cheers, David ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Removing of systemd causes removal of CUPS
On 20/11/2015 11:11, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: add this repo and install cups from there: debhttp://angband.pl/debian/ nosystemd main Nik The CUPS/systemd thing was a hiccup on my Devuan test install too. I like any command that contains 'nosystemd' :) Is this likely to be merged into the main Devuan repos later on? Dave H ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and, configuring minimalism
On 04/11/2015 11:38, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: This is spectacular documentation! You should put it on a website somewhere, because the world needs to see this. SteveT Hi Steve, all, With permission from dev1fanboy, a copy of the excellent how-to is here: http://wiki.friendsofdevuan.org/doku.php/quick_start_minimal Its posting there is, of course, non-exclusive. I have added a little wiki-ish formatting for readability, and included one correction as supplied by dev1fanboy. Cheers, Dave Harrison/FlibberTGibbet ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Proposed editor change
Just a thought: how about building these editor options into the installer? That way everyone's happy before they even log in for the first time... Please choose your default text editor: [x] Nano (recommended for beginners) [ ] Vim (more experienced users) [ ] Emacs (more experienced users) [ ] Visual Studio (our little joke) You can install other editors via the command line (apt-get install packagename) or graphical utility (Synaptic, etc) after installation. To change your default editor after installation, [quick instruction here]. My 2 sesterces, Dave Harrison ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 9, Issue 54
On 15/06/2015 13:00, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: Let me guess: You found blog postings by unixheads who had Brother lasers with postscript support and were happy, and based on that you bought an inkjet without postscript support? That's a mite harsh. For my ancient Brother HL5170-DN, Brother provide downloadable (sadly blob-only) deb and rpm packages. Not every printer manufacturer goes that far. I've had success adding the printer directly via the CUPS web interface too, though it pays to be very careful about *which* port, service, page control language etc is selected from the many options that appear for that model. PCL tends to work better in my limited experience, perhaps because Brother's PostScript emulation (BRScript) seems to have a few idiosyncrasies. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Unofficial wiki
On 14/06/2015 16:14, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: * X-Powered-By: PHP/5.3.28 ( unmaintained and vulnerable php version ) Ah. The hosting control panel allows me to switch PHP versions up to and including 5.6. Anyone heard anything adverse about 5.6? Other than the fact that it's still PHP? :-) David ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Unofficial wiki
On 14/06/2015 16:14, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: a few things : * at the very least you will need a clean dns : https://www.zonemaster.net/test/16766 Nameserver ns1.vidacloud.co.uk/185.52.27.27 answered with a RCODE NXDOMAIN to SOA query on xx--domain-cannot-exist.xx--illegal-syntax-tld. Nameserver ns2.vidacloud.co.uk/95.142.155.4 answered with a RCODE NXDOMAIN to SOA query on xx--domain-cannot-exist.xx--illegal-syntax-tld. Nameserver ns1.vidacloud.co.uk has an IP address (185.52.27.27) with mismatched PTR result (ns1.tsohost.co.uk.). Nameserver ns2.vidacloud.co.uk has an IP address (95.142.155.4) with mismatched PTR result (ns2.tsohost.co.uk.). Is that from Zonemaster? It doesn't sound healthy. I will have a word with the hosts tomorrow. * X-Powered-By: PHP/5.3.28 ( unmaintained and vulnerable php version ) http://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-74/product_id-128/version_id-166615/PHP-PHP-5.3.28.html Ditto. * a distro related wiki have to be managed by a team, with good moeration, hosting and security, when the wiki gets lost or hacked . . . its a disaster ( that happened to the gentoo wiki once and so much useful info was lost * perhaps you should provide a daily or backup or the sql database Scary but anticipated. I don't doubt a few trolls will take potshots if the wiki gains any traction. Fortunately there are daily backups as standard on my hosting plan, and Dokuwiki defaults to storing posts in text files. The whole shebang is an unofficial 'go-with' to plug a temporary gap in the current Devuan web resources. If scaling up is required, I will be the first to call for help with moderation, security and the rest. Rumour has it there are some very clued-up people on this list :D Anyway, thanks for the analysis. David ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Unofficial wiki
On 14/06/2015 16:14, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: No luck registering. I didn't get a confirmation email, and an attempt to register with the same creds says I am already registered. The password reset seems to only work if you are already logged in !?!!? peter I'll create a login with a temporary password for them as can't register directly. The problems are intermittent, but I'll figure them out eventually. David H ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[Dng] Unofficial wiki
Hi everyone, I have set up http://wiki.friendsofdevuan.org as a holding place for useful information, at least until there's an official wiki in place. It's empty right now but for a few category suggestions. Not even a nifty logo. One may follow :) Please register if you like, and feel free to add any useful advice, tutorials, walk-throughs, links, scripts etc that you create or encounter while testing Devuan. There have been many useful gems about related software recently on this ML too -- vdev, alternatives to Network Manager, and all the rest. It would be great to see some posts on these topics. Markup is Dokuwiki flavoured for now. There's a Markdown-ish plugin available for those that would prefer one -- let me know. For now the content license is GPL. If the majority of posters would prefer something else, such as CC-attribution-whathaveyou, I'll change it. I stress that this is not in any way an official Devuan project. However any posts may find their way onto an official public Devuan wiki later on. Let me know if you'd rather that didn't happen for any reason. All the best, Dave Harrison ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] straw poll, non-free firmware for installers
On 04/06/2015 02:52, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: If it is the resounding will of the community to absolutely not ship the default installer with this approach, then I will withdraw from Devuan and someone else can take over the maintenance of the packages I've been working on. Daniel, you're doing a great job and I think your proposal is entirely reasonable. Please stay with us. David H ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Everyone's favorite seasoning: Cinnamon
On 31/05/2015 05:21, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: So Cinnamon and Mate are building and running systemd-less now, and with proper shutdown capability. https://git.devuan.org/groups/gnome i386 and amd64 .debs are available on my repository (Jessie*only*): http://pkg.realitysend.net/ Amazing work Jaret, will give that a try. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Everyone's favorite DE: GNOME3
On 29/05/2015 12:59, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: Haven't tried yet, but I can! I actually haven't got a chance to do much Cinnaminnamon yet at all since it was still in Debian testing and largely unfit for public consumption last time it was on my mind. I suspect it will just be more config changes like gnome, for the most part. My interest in Gnome, as a user, would lie in the components that still underlie Cinnamon. Try a Mint 17.1 VM and you'll see Cinnamon is fairly polished now. Plonk Cinnamon on top of Devuan and you'd be halfway to a Mint substitute, when they inevitably follow Ubuntu's slide down the systemd mud-chute. Xfce/Whisker achieves much the same as Cinnamon for my purposes and it's less of a resource hog. My themeing tastes are simple and satisfied by either DE. However given a fast system it's enjoyable to use the extra bells and whistles! Purely personal opinion, not speaking for anyone else here. Dave H ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 8, Issue 82
On 29/05/2015 12:59, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: If anything, I think it validates the case for a system like shui. The fact that different applications in different problem domains independently gain built-in support for scripting suggests that there's a naturally-occurring need to be able to interact with applications programmatically as well as interactively. So, why not design applications with this need in mind from the get-go? I'd love to see a decent scripting capability overlaid on a Linux PDF reader/editor -- by "decent" I mean with the ability to remediate tagging, readings orders and so on for accessibility... Oh, and to convert RGB object colours into press-ready CMYK after the fact... My 2 cents in the wishing well. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Everyone's favorite DE: GNOME3
On 28/05/2015 12:32, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: On 05/25/2015 05:31 PM, Jaret Cantu wrote: >I am happy to report that (most of) the GNOME3 Desktop Environment has >been made to work systemd-free, in all its spiffy, OpenGL-y goodness! Thanks a lot for your work! I might be one of the few that appreciates this DE, especially because it's quite clutter-free and has awesome (and consistent) keyboard shortcuts that spare me a lot of time. The more the merrier, I guess! Does this also make Cinnamon a prospect further down the line? Or has Cinnamon diverged too much for Gnome to make a difference? Brilliant work all round, anyway... Dave H ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] why someone might want systemd on devuan
On 05/05/2015 20:43, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: Well, the problem here is that systemd is*not* hot-pluggable, at all, as we have recently learned the hard way. Here's a thought. Thrown to the list with no requisite knowledge to back it up, so please don't bite! Is there any way of building a package or some other installable to create a sandboxed/containerised/quarantined/VM'd minimal systemd? That's if minimal isn't a contradiction in terms where systemd's concerned? Just complete enough for a user to install and use contaminatedware within it, when they really have no other choice, but designed not to leak out and infect their otherwise clean system? Cheers, David H/FlibberTGibbet ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[Dng] Paging Arnt
Hi Arnt, Just tried to mail you off-list but the message bounced. 'uce-protect' blocking or somesuch. Do you have an alternate address? Cheers, David H ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[Dng] Fedora not implementing live kernel patching, or plain avoiding it?
Hi all, I was interested to note in an article that Fedora won't be implementing the 4.0 live patching feature any time soon. Original here: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Fedora-Has-No-Plans-on-Enabling-Live-Patching-for-Linux-Kernel-4-0-478796.shtml No doubt their reasons are wise and their hearts pure. But my inner cynic wonders if it's worth their enabling reboot-free kernel updates if systemd needs a reboot after every update to its own fair self? :) Cheers e ciao, David H ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[Dng] calming down
Apologies for my earlier outburst, I should have taken a walk around the block first. Just call me a little discouraged. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] fontawesome icon fix!
On 11/04/2015 13:00, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: > Because I never want to see a serif font EVER and because I prefer to see the same font used on every site that I visit. Makes browsing more peaceful. OK, so we get to the end of a long debate about how tricksy this forum site is, only to find that your custom browser preferences are what affects rendering. If you tweak your browser settings to force a certain effect, and that interferes with a site's css, there's a certain "on your own head be it" caveat to be derived. It's simply impossible to design a site/css that has any non-vanilla formatting at all to cater to every possible taste and, putting it bluntly, font prejudice. With respect, Golinux, this sounds a lot to me like "not my idea, so I'll shout it down". Dave H ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 6, Issue 89
On 25/03/2015 12:00, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: That's so true, Clarke! This systemd debacle increased by an order of magnitude the Linux users who understand the underpinnings of the system and are prepared to take control. This is a Renaissance in the Linux community. Well, except for Debian:-) Amen, Steve. For a recent Linux convert it was horrific to see its advantages -- choice of core components, text log files, do one thing well, (almost) everything's a file, and so on -- being flushed away with a single tug at the systemd chain. It felt like arriving at a party only to discover it finished last week :) The Devuan announcement forced me to read more seriously about Linux than before. As an embryonic "daily user"/admin I look forward to Devuan being discussed far and wide as a definitive base distro, and to seeing it as a default choice on cloud systems, single board computers, and elsewhere. To these slightly informed eyes, Devuan appears to be becoming far more than a Debian fork. I'd bet that some of its new tools and subsystems will find wider acceptance in other distros. Right now though, hats off to Jude for vdev and to everyone here who works for the greater good. Linux is looking up again. David H, a.k.a. FlibberTGibbet ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 6, Issue 60
On 17/03/2015 09:30, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: Insofar as what needs doing, there's a pre-alpha ISO floating around (Valentine pre-alpha), and the Vagrant image could always use more testing and bug reports. There's also a list of infrastructure to-dos here: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/todo/issues. Hi Jude, Where do I send bug reports/questions? Best regards, David H ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 6, Issue 58
In which jurisdiction? Cheques are alive and well(ish) in the UK. I don't imagine you receiving many but I'll be willing to process them. Fees will apply but they're hardly absent from electronic payment methods either. David H On 15/03/2015 12:00, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: Well, that just leaves (IBAN) credit transfers. Cheques where abolished in 2000. Postal money orders in 2002. Apparently some banks process some US cheques, but they charge extortionate fees. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[Dng] Xfce response
Hi all, Last week I volunteered (was volunteered?) to contact the Xfce team and ask them whether systemd loomed on their horizon. Here is the report that was promised. After a long chat with a couple of developers on the #xfce channel, it seems they have no plans to introduce hard systemd dependencies. A welcome change from certain DEs that are queueing up to staple logind to their own foreheads? They also recommended Consolekit2 as a compatible candidate login system, and said that Xfce plays well with OpenRC and SysVinit. Consolekit2 is a fork maintained independently of Xfce by one of their team. Please make of that what you wish as I don't know the ins and outs of these components. They confirmed that Xfce 4.12 will be released this weekend and recommended packaging it. The Whisker menu is now an Xfce project and is now at v1.50. There were some other recommendations -- useful Arch packages that might help with background info for a systemd-free distro. I have to pick those out of the channel log file -- please holler off-list if you want more details. Just passing on the news -- don't bite if I've misreported anything :-) All the best, David H ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 115
On 24/02/2015 16:33, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: Inevitably, the idea of a badge leads to a foundation entitled to stamp distros with the badge. I am wondering if only a clear phrasing of the principles would be enough, without the impediments and the sectarism of a foundation. You make a convincing point. Although a foundation wouldn't be a bad distro-neutral rallying point, now you mention it... Plus there would be lapel pins and secret handshakes, and all the other fun stuff ;-) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[Dng] Xfce
On 21/02/2015 01:12, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: Definitely, I think we want to maintain a healthy relationship with the Xfce camp. They forked ConsoleKit (https://github.com/consolekit2/consolekit2) and enhanced it with some logind-like functionality. Saturday morning was a poor time to reach out over irc, so I emailed their core developers. If they respond directly I'll let you know. However they now have details of the mailing list and irc channel, so please look out for them and extend the now-traditional Devuan welcome :-) Cheers, David ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[Dng] Init Freedom badges
On 21/02/2015 12:00, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: hello i just thought of sharing a simple idea see if anyone likes to get started at it: how about designing a badge that all distros that are systemd free can show? this is not strictly Devuan related, but will benefit people willing to understand such an important architectural aspect of a distro without wasting too much time with its docs I also think such a badge should be different from the without-systemd logo and more like a positive assertion. perhaps it should not really be about systemd, but init freedom more in general, as in distros allowing to have the choice to safely remove all systemd or even download a systemd-free flavour. What about an Init Freedom Group? Freedom sounds more postitive to me than 'free of', though it's seen some iffy use in recent years. This kind of thing work at two levels. 'Member/Supporter of', meaning it's a goal or a sponsorship target, or you're sympathetic. And 'certificate', meaning the distro confirms there are no nasties lurking in the init woodshed. It would work for packages too, for example any DE that steers clear of hard systemd dependencies, or succeeds at rehab... This makes the badge a source of pride rather than a retrograde step. 2 cents in the tin. David H ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] XFCE et al
I've dabbled with FreeBSD and OpenIndiana VMs lately: xfce worked just as well on those as in Linux. Was doing a little reading yesterday. Apparently a new point release is imminent, which is good news considering xfce's slow pace of releases (if not development). The lovely Whisker menu has just been bumped up to 1.50 as well and is now adopted as an xfce project. Perhaps someone from Devuan could approach xfce's core developers and confirm they're not about to spot-weld themselves to systemd any time soon? They seem approachable enough. I'm happy to ask but as a non-dev my question might not carry the same weight! 2 cents deposited. David H ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 81
There's a counter-argument that, while being read and digested, the instructions occupy a significant part of the human brain, which weighs in at ~1.5kg, the gold price for which weight is currently around USD 58,000. Then again this attention is temporary so the worth will be too. Next up, how many angels can dance on the head of a semiconductor... On 17/02/2015 17:02, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: the instructions dont actually weigh anything so saying it's worth it's weight in gold is saying they aren't worth anything.;) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 33
Thanks very much Gravis, Jaromil. I'll let the folk on #xroutine know. (And about Dowse -- looks interesting too). ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 32
Will this be compatible with the banana pi too? I'm very impressed with mine since installing a SATA drive. Makes for a great mini server. The current default distro, bananian, is a little flakey. Some fellow users were excited at the notion of Devuan for their systems too. It's based on the Allwinner A20. On 10/02/2015 10:10, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: Yes. I'm even planning to make it an explicit target of the SDK, like rpi and rpi2, to wrap around the settings needed for those arm processors. I also use rpis a lot and the RPI2 is already available also in the Netherlands, I've ordered a few the other day... BTW, if we can get a fullfillment service to work for us at the percentage of the cost, we could also sell Devuan pre-installed RPIs from our website. Please everyone keep your eyes peeled for such opportunitites, I'm not aware of anyone doing this ATM, but I'm talking about it with friends in the Arduino company already. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
