Re: [DNG] Lennart now working for Microsoft

[Harald Arnesen via Dng]

Steve Litt [08/07/2022 15.57]:


What scares me is if he starts putting Microsoft-centric stuff in
systemd, Linux will need to either migrate away from systemd 


Wouldn't that be what we all want?

or be

subsumed by microsoft.


Won't happen.
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Re: [DNG] Website "motto"?

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Karl Hammar [19/01/2022 18.19]:


What is that "if" about, ohh, it is an acronym...

Unfortunately it looks like this insurance company's logotype:
  https://www.if.se/
so, I'd say we cannot use it (it really make me wounder why the
authorities allows thoose names).


If is owned by the Finnish company Sampo, with branches in all Nordic 
countries.


I think we should find a logo that stands out better.
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Re: [DNG] Pipewire and PulseAudio: apulse & firefox

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Steve Litt [22/12/2021 12.15]:


The easy suggestion is you can install xfce to get its apps, including
the pretty nice xfce4-terminal

  ^^^
and extremely slow
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Re: [DNG] new firefox-esr buggy?

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Radisson via Dng [17/12/2021 21.04]:


Another symptom: when the cursor is moved to or away from the
scroll bar, the grey scrollbar is broken into a vertical set of
grey and light grey lines for about a second. When I drag the
scrollbar to scroll text, text and images are broken up by
horizontal white linees for a about a second. In a colored
image these lines can be colors from the image.



Sounds like a bug with the refreshing.
Does anything change when you cover the area temparly with an other window ?


Another thing, try to turn off "smooth scrolling" (why would anyone want 
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Re: [DNG] What not to back up

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Steve Litt [23/11/2021 21.48]:



The majority of files in /home/yourname are useless. /home/yourname is
a mishmash of stuff you created, settings you use, and useless crap

   

like cache. It's huge and ugly. For that reason I create other top
level directories to hold stuff I created myself.



Really? You don't backup your settings? I would think those were some of 
the most important things.

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Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

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william moss via Dng [05/11/2021 22.49]:


BSD and system V (AT/Bell Labs System Five) switched more than a
decade ago.


Certainly not FreeBSD:

$ uname -or
FreeBSD 13.0-STABLE

$ ls /bin | wc -l
  44

$ ls /usr/bin | wc -l
 488

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Re: [DNG] [OT] British vs American language

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Steve Litt [28/07/2021 21.47]:


Don't forget Southern California Coastal English:

- Ate it
- Ate concrete
- Wiped out
- Got Maytagged
- Faceplant
- Roadrash
- Stoked
- Gnarly (antideluvian from 80's)


And then the Jamaicans, and the English-speaking Indians, the Aussies, 
the Kiwis...

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Re: [DNG] Devuan for WSL

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Linux O'Beardly via Dng [15.07.2021 19:57]:

> Has anyone attempted and/or had success at creating a WSL distribution
> from a Devuan docker image? I started a new gig and am stuck with a
> Windows laptop, but they will allow us to run WSL. Any info would be
> greatly appreciated. 

Not from a docker image, but I installed Debian and upgraded to Devuan.
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Re: [DNG] Please don't imply this kind of equality: was Re: End of free open source software?

[Harald Arnesen via Dng]

goli...@devuan.org [11.05.2021 20:07]:

> Please let this useless thread die and get back to discussions about 
> free software and making Devuan the best alternative without systemd 
> lock-in.  Thanks.

You beat me to it.
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Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

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Steve Litt [26.03.2021 20:46]:

> Before you sign anything or do anything, ask yourself if this is of top
> importance to you. Are you willing to risk your career, your position
> in your community, perhaps the positions of your family, to defend
> Richard Stallman? Unless the answer is an unmitigated "yes", I'd advise
> you to stay as far from this issue as you can.

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
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Re: [DNG] Very offtopic: 70's music

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aitor [05.03.2021 15:22]:

> On the other hand, Steve, I would include Yoko Ono's long plays to your
> list of punishments for those people in the hell forced to use systemd,
> in addition to the normal
> 
> fire and brimstone. Yoko Ono for eternity.

So you WANT me to use Substance D (systemd), now...?
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Re: [DNG] Historical note on double negation.

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Rick Moen [25.12.2020 05:47]:

> Here, my gift to thee and thee, for the Jul holiday (and let us remember
> Poul and his wife Karen fondly):

He was one of the great SF writers, sorely missed.
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Re: [DNG] Danger: Debian POSIX hostility

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Rick Moen [22.09.2020 20:11]:

>> I worry about a different kind of portability. If I ever have to switch
>> to BSD (and this remains a possibility, unfortunately), /bin/* shebangs
>> will not work except for /bin/sh, and /bin/sh is always ash. That is
>> because on BSD everything not in the core system goes into /usr/local.
> You know, if going for maximum portability, you can rely, within the
> shebang, on /usr/bin/env.  Like:
> 
> #!/usr/bin/env bash
> 
> Although there's no absolute guarantee that env(1) will reside in
> /usr/bin on all Unix machines ever made, it does live there on BSDs.
> And I'm willing to bet that it's going to exist and be in /usr/bin on
> Unixes made written the last quarter-century.

And if you have to use a Unix system without env in /usr/bin, you can
always symlink or copy it there. Provided you have root access, of course.
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Re: [DNG] terminology

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Curtis Maurand via Dng [24.08.2020 16:30]:

> in plan9 everything is an object.

Not at all. Everything is a file, not an object, whatever that is.
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Re: [DNG] history

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Steve Litt [08.08.2020 09:07]:

> Is this enough neoliberal b*shit for you guys?

More than enough. Can you guys move this discussion to another list?
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Re: [DNG] How to mount NTFS

[Harald Arnesen via Dng]

Haines Brown [07.08.2020 18:19]:

> Yes, for sure. If you are right about the speed difference between 
> NTFS and ext4, then is there another FS that can be accessed by a 
> Windows machine that is not much slower than ext4?

fat32. Or if you run a recent kernel on your Linux machine (Devuan 5.4
is ok), then exfat.
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Re: [DNG] Ascii to Beowulf upgrade - 32% slowdown !

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Patrick Erdmann [13.06.2020 12:24]:

> My test case is compiling ArcticFox, thus something in the realm of
> Firefox: lots of compiler activity, make, disk access, make and python.
> But, of course, predominant factor is compilation and linking.
> 
> With ascii, I was consistently (= not just one build) doing a clean
> build in about 31 minutes! Quite fast for this small beast and I was happy.
> 
> With beowulf, this number is consistently about 41 minutes.

Do you compile ArcticFox with the same compiler in both cases? GCC gets
slower for each release, it seems...
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Re: [DNG] Which DE?

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al3xu5 / dotcommon [25/02/2020 16.29]:

> I am using Devuan (2.1) + MATE DE since 08/2016... 
> Now I wish to change DE but I am in doubt: XFCE or LXDE or LXQt???

Do you drink beer or wine, Pepsi or Coke? Same thing.
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Re: [DNG] Fonts trouble on beowulf

[Harald Arnesen via Dng]

Den 08.01.2020 19:16, skrev Dimitris via Dng:


On 1/8/20 8:07 PM, Rowland penny via Dng wrote:

if you are referring to the mythical bird that rises from the ashes


"φοίνιξ" in ancient greek.
any latin-based name, is just a derivative. :D


I was going to say the same, but it bears more weight when coming from a 
native (I presume) Greek speaker.

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Re: [DNG] Fwd: April's fools mess

[Harald Arnesen via Dng]

Mike Bird [01.04.2019 20:43]:

> Authorised access does not make wrongdoing lawful.  The other Devuan
> admins urgently need to remove you, consult a lawyer or the police,
> replace all authorisation tokens and keys, and rebuild from trusted
> sources.
> 
> Or they could let Devuan revert to a toy project used by five people.

Six. I will not stop using Devuan because of this.
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Re: [DNG] logging uses of machine-id

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KatolaZ [12/03/2019 22.54]:

> I am not saying these are not valid complaints, quite the opposite. I
> am just saying that I accepted years ago that the way I use Linux is
> not the same other users use it, and I have to keep this in mind if I
> want to contribute to Devuan.

Well said. Having used Linux as my main OS since 1994, I am fully
capable of using a window manager without a full desktop environment
(previously I used fvwm and icewm), but I am very happy to have a
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Re: [DNG] Creating directory in /var/run on bootup

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Rowland Penny via Dng [05/02/2019 21.59]:

>>   I think you meant to write:
>> 
>> if [ ! -d /var/run/barman ]; then mkdir -p /var/run/barman; fi
>> 
> 
> even better:
> 
> [[ -d /var/run/barman ]] || mkdir -p /var/run/barman

Or even simpler:

mkdir -p /var/run/barman

If the directory or any of its parents does not exist, it is created.
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Re: [DNG] *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re: Upgraded to Beowulf, GIMP is broken

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Dr. Nikolaus Klepp [03.02.2019 00:31]:

> Ok. I found another way: install "libdvd-pkg", this downloads and builds 
> libdvdcss2. And I now I can confirm that dmo repository breaks gimp. I'm just 
> now cleaning my system from all dmo packages.

Yes, I can confirm that Gimp works when I remove all packages from that
repository, following the instructions i found here:

.

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Re: [DNG] Upgraded to Beowulf, GIMP is broken

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KatolaZ [02.02.2019 20:27]:

> On Sat, Feb 02, 2019 at 06:20:50PM +0100, Harald Arnesen via Dng wrote:
>> I have tried to upgrade two of my machines from ASCII to Beowulf. It
>> needed some fiddling with "apt --fix-broken install", trying the
>> dist-upgrade a couple of times and removing a couple of things. But it
>> boots and works ok now.
>> 
>> With the exeption of GIMP. That one gives the following error:
>> 
>> $ gimp
>> gimp: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgegl-0.4.so.0:
>> undefined symbol: babl_format_with_space
> 
> Hi Harald,
> 
> I have been on Beowulf for about 9 months now, and gimp (2.10.8-2)
> works absolutely fine. Is your machine a rpi, by any chance? In that
> case, you should still keel archive.raspberrypi.org enabled, and get
> the libgegl packages from there. I had a similar issue with kodi, and
> using the packages rebuilt for rpi solved the problem.

No, one is a Lenovo ThinkPad T510i, the other a ThinkStation something
(i'm away from that one now).

One thing that may be an issue is that I had the Debian multimedia
repository active when I ran ASCII.
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Re: [DNG] Upgraded to Beowulf, GIMP is broken

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Harald Arnesen [02.02.2019 18:20]:

> I have tried to upgrade two of my machines from ASCII to Beowulf. It
> needed some fiddling with "apt --fix-broken install", trying the
> dist-upgrade a couple of times and removing a couple of things. But it
> boots and works ok now.
> 
> With the exeption of GIMP. That one gives the following error:
> 
> $ gimp
> gimp: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgegl-0.4.so.0:
> undefined symbol: babl_format_with_space

And btw, it works with Debian Buster.
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[DNG] Upgraded to Beowulf, GIMP is broken

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I have tried to upgrade two of my machines from ASCII to Beowulf. It
needed some fiddling with "apt --fix-broken install", trying the
dist-upgrade a couple of times and removing a couple of things. But it
boots and works ok now.

With the exeption of GIMP. That one gives the following error:

$ gimp
gimp: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgegl-0.4.so.0:
undefined symbol: babl_format_with_space
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Re: [DNG] OT: Changing xfce4-terminal window frame color

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goli...@dyne.org [30/01/2019 18.04]:

> Yeah, it's a rat's nest for sure but I've managed to fake it so far. Now 
> deep into theming beowulf which requires way too many late, late  nights 

Care to explain what this is? The Ascii theme is - ok - so what's to
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