Re: [DNG] Why no ipv6 privacy extensions?

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Am Fr den 24. Aug 2018 um  3:02 schrieb Gregory Nowak:
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 09:44:08PM -0400, taii...@gmx.com wrote:
> > I disable ipv6 since there is no reason for me to use it (and my isp
> > doesn't offer it anyways) but I noticed that there is a lack of ipv6
> > privacy extensions enabled in devuan and I believe this is an issue.
> 
> This is inherited from debian. Also, those installing devuan on a
> router/server system and running radvd will not want privacy
> extensions enabled by default.

Well, if you install a router/server, you want to explicitly disable
privacy extension. That is more secure as the other way around.

On my router, I have the following rules:
   -A FORWARD -o eth0 -m eui64 -j log_REJECT

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [DNG] systemd and ssh-server

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Am Do den 26. Jul 2018 um 14:23 schrieb Lars Noodén:
> Looking at the DSC files, it seems that the culprit is either gnome or
> ssh-askpass-gnome or both.
> 
> Is there an alternative ssh-askpass-* graphical utility likely to be
> more portable which can replace it?

Well, I use gpg-agent instead of ssh-agent. That is a better way to
handle keys and allows more control for about how long you allow the
keys/pass to get cached.

And gpg-agent uses pinentry that is available in many flavours.

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [DNG] systemd and ssh-server

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Hi,

Am Mo den 23. Jul 2018 um 14:24 schrieb Rolf Schmidt:
> I would ask, if it is true, that the openssh-server still needs
> libsystemd0 in ascii?
> 
> Can I expect e fix?

If you trust me ( :-D ) you can use my package[0].

It is the debian package cleaned from systemd, the disastrous patch
introduced by debian to lower security (user-group-patch) and two other
small patches that are not accepted upstream.

The most active dist is sid and ceres but I also have
1:7.4p1-11+securityfix1 for ascii and stretch.

Regards
   Klaus

[0] deb ftp://ftp.ethgen.ch/pub/debian-security sid unofficial-secured
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[DNG] Unbound and EUI addresses

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Hi,

recently I started logging and blocking EUI-64 addresses out of my
network. For long time now I have privacy extension enabled on all
interfaces.

But what I seen is that unbound seems to not care about privacy
extension and uses always the EUI-64 address for outbound requests.

There seems to be no way to configure unbound to not use that address
except to manually configure a outbound address via outgoing-interface.

This seems to be a special Devuan (and Debian) problem as my Gentoo box
seems to be ok.

Anybody an idea why and how to solve it?

   ~> grep . /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/*/use_tempaddr
   /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr:2
   /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/default/use_tempaddr:2
   /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/eth0/use_tempaddr:2
   /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/lo/use_tempaddr:2

   ~> cat /etc/network/interfaces
   ...
   iface eth0 inet6 auto
  privext 2
   ...

(you can also use "pre-up /sbin/sysctl --quiet --write
net.ipv6.conf.eth0.use_tempaddr=2" instead of privext.

Currently I have no more ideas how to solve that.

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [DNG] Solved: Can't disable touchpad under openbox (karl schattschneider)

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Hi,

Am Mo den 18. Jun 2018 um 16:14 schrieb karl schattschneider:
> ???   ??? ITE Tech. Inc. ITE Device(8910)     id=12    [slave
> pointer  (2)]
[...]
> Finally xinput set-prop  *12* "Device Enabled" 0  did what I wanted to
> achieve. When I found out that this was only valid for the current session I
> just put the command in a shell script which is called from my ~/.xinitrc.

   xinput --disable 'ITE Tech. Inc. ITE Device(8910)'

or

   xinput set-prop 'ITE Tech. Inc. ITE Device(8910)' 'Device Enabled' 0

Regards
   Klaus
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[DNG] procps

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Hi,

for version 2:3.3.12-3 of procps, Ivan J. did a fix in devuan to not
depend to libsystemd. Now, we got the updated version 2:3.3.12-4 from
debian and there is a new version 2:3.3.13-1 in queue. When updating the
system with 2:3.3.12-4 coming from devuan, it pull in all systemd
dependencies.

Could you please fix that again?

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [DNG] Unbootable system due to cryptsetup depending to two libs in /usr

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Hi,

Am So den  1. Apr 2018 um 15:14 schrieb fsmithred:
> > In fact, debian did intentional break libpopt as the version in ascii
> > installs to /lib but the version in ceres installs to /usr.
[...]
> Nothing installs to /lib anymore, because it's just a symlink to /usr/lib.
> You can get this on ascii with a debootstrap install.

Well, that is only true if you have the pöttering usrmerge package
installed. If you do a minimal ascii bootstrap, you don't get infected
by that package.

The pöttering followers invented that to break all installations with
separate /usr. In fact, that package damages your whole system
sustainably.

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [DNG] Unbootable system due to cryptsetup depending to two libs in /usr

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Am So den  1. Apr 2018 um  9:59 schrieb Klaus Ethgen:
[libpopt and libargon]
> I run ceres. ascii is not affected.

In fact, debian did intentional break libpopt as the version in ascii
installs to /lib but the version in ceres installs to /usr.

Regards
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Re: [DNG] Unbootable system due to cryptsetup depending to two libs in /usr

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Sorry, resend to dng@lists.dyne.org

Am Fr den 30. Mär 2018 um 20:29 schrieb Alessandro Selli:
> On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 at 15:22:21 +0100
> Klaus Ethgen <klaus+d...@ethgen.ch> wrote:
> 
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> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > recently, debian patched the use of two libraries into cryptsetup,
> > libargon and libpopt. Both are living under /usr.
> > 
> > That leads to unbootable system when /usr is on separate partition and
> > you using disk encryption (or even having /usr on a encrypted
> > partition). This bug happens with or without initrd.
> 
>   I am not affected and I do use initramfs.  What release od Devuan are you
> runnning?

You are only affekted if you have separate /usr and encrypted partitions
that are decrypted in boot (like /home or even the whole system).

I run ceres. ascii is not affected.

And yes, this bug was introduced by debian, not by devuan. But devuan
took the package from debian without a change.

Regards
   Klaus
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[DNG] Unbootable system due to cryptsetup depending to two libs in /usr

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Hi,

recently, debian patched the use of two libraries into cryptsetup,
libargon and libpopt. Both are living under /usr.

That leads to unbootable system when /usr is on separate partition and
you using disk encryption (or even having /usr on a encrypted
partition). This bug happens with or without initrd.

Debian does not care anymore if the user system is bootable or not but
this change got into devuan too.

Could you please fix that by one of the following:
- - reverting the patches that brought this library linking into
  cryptsetup if it is not needed or
- - Move that libraries to /lib

I will also file a bug report. But give me some time to find out how, or
is the reportbug tool now usable?

Regards
   Klaus
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[DNG] Debian systemd arrogance

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Hi,

I just found today the post[0] of Petter Reinholdtsen, one of the
sysvinit maintainer of debian.

While I agree that it is good that they migrate to git, I hear the
arrogance in "and there probably will be until systemd start working on
Hurd and FreeBSD." and "Surprising as it might sound, there are still
computers using the traditional Sys V init system"

Regards
   Klaus

[0] 
http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/The_SysVinit_upstream_project_just_migrated_to_git.html
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Re: [DNG] Grave bug in procps, depending on systemd

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Hi,

please answer on the list.

Am So den 11. Feb 2018 um  8:59 schrieb KatolaZ:
> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 08:50:09AM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
> > The new procps 2:3.3.12-4 depend on systemd what leads to a unbootable
> > system.
> ceres provides 3.3.10+devuan1.0 for amd64, armel, armhf, i386, so if
> you don't mix debian and devuan repos, you'll get the correct version,
> that does not depend on systemd.

Well:
   ~> apt-cache policy procps
   procps:
 Installiert:   2:3.3.12-3+devuan2
 Installationskandidat: 2:3.3.12-3+devuan2
 Versionstabelle:
*** 2:3.3.12-3+devuan2 500
   500 http://packages.devuan.org/merged testing/main amd64 Packages
   100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
2:3.3.10-4+devuan1.0 500
   500 http://packages.devuan.org/merged ceres/main amd64 Packages
   ~> apt-cache policy libprocps6
   libprocps6:
 Installiert:   2:3.3.12-4
 Installationskandidat: 2:3.3.12-4
 Versionstabelle:
*** 2:3.3.12-4 500
   500 http://packages.devuan.org/merged ceres/main amd64 Packages
   100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
2:3.3.12-3+devuan2 500
   500 http://packages.devuan.org/merged testing/main amd64 Packages
   ~> ldd =ps
   ...
   libsystemd.so.0 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libsystemd.so.0 
(0x7f62ff567000)
   ...
   liblz4.so.1 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liblz4.so.1 
(0x7f62fed09000)
   ...

That new package came from devuan. And it is in fact libprocps6 that is
broken; what comes from the sam source package.

It IS depending on systemd now and the system IS prevented from boot.

Regards
   Klaus
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[DNG] Grave bug in procps, depending on systemd

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Hi,

The new procps 2:3.3.12-4 depend on systemd what leads to a unbootable
system.

I already filed a bug but had to do manually as reportbug wanted to send
to debian.

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [DNG] Suspend

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Hi,

Am So den 14. Jan 2018 um  0:17 schrieb Adam Borowski:
> But, what is your reason to run a _laptop_ this old?  I expect these to be
> barely functional.

Well, why to buy a new one when the old is good and fast and have proper
interfaces (like VGA to connect to my beamer) and so on.

My X61s and T43p are way enough to run in my environment. Even more,
they have no camera or other spy stuff. And the keyboard is much, much
better than the keyboards on all newer laptops that seems to be invented
by Apple.

Clear, if you want to run Gnome on it, ... But who want's that? For my
setup with fvwm, to watch movies or use a browser or do some hacking it
is way enough.

And Firefox is even slow on my i7, There is not that much performance
difference on that laptops.

Gruß
   Klaus
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[DNG] Suspend

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Hi,

I have a rather strange behavior recently with suspend.

I usually suspend all my laptops to ram. I have two laptops, one with
custom kernel (4.14.12) and one with the usual ascii kernel
4.14.0-3-686-pae (now). Both are ascii and both are 32bit.

Since few weeks, the laptop with the distribution kernel shows a strange
behaviour. When I send it to sleep, it starts enabling the xscreensaver
(I use wdm and fvwm) then kills the X so I get the wdm login dialog. Now
the system stays up with the sleeping LED blink. Nothing more happens
now, I can login; even via ssh; and do stuff.

But when I do a reboot or halt at that point, the system goes to sleep
instantly. When I wake it up again, it does perform the reboot/system
halt.

The other laptop with my own kernel works fine. So I suspect that one of
the latest kernel updates did something that prevent a clean suspend.

Any one an idea?

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [DNG] Ascii packages with dependency on libsystemd0 ?

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Hi,

Am Di den  2. Jan 2018 um 10:11 schrieb Mike Tubby:
> Over the new year holiday I decided to debootstrap ascii on to our ARM-based
> vehicle router and have it working, which is good, however when installing
> openssh-server I notice that it pulled in libsystemd0:

Yes, and it has some insecurity patches that was refused by upstream and
even the debian maintainer himself is not sure anymore if it was a good
idea.

If you wish, you can use my debian-security repo to get a recompiled
version without systemd and without that patch above. You can, of course
also build them yourself, I have the full sources over there.

deb ftp://tschil.ethgen.ch/pub/debian-security ceres unofficial-secured
deb-src ftp://tschil.ethgen.ch/pub/debian-security ceres unofficial-secured

Regards
   Klaus
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[DNG] Broken suspend to ram (Was: Summary of investigations on Lid open/close in ASCII)

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Hi folks,

I do not know if it is related to this probems but I remembered the
discussion when I updated my laptops yesterday and suspend to ram did
not work anymore.

I have two laptops, both with devuan unstable and both with eudev. The
only different is that one is running with the default kernel and the
other has a own kernel build specific for this box and without initrd
support.

With both laptops, suspend to ram did work bevore yesterday upgrade. (I
do never do more than suspend to ram as all other is unsecure as hell.
Writing RAM content to unencrypted disk is a very, very bad idea.)

Since yesterday, when I send the laptop with default kernel to sleep, it
takes some time, than it kills the window manager (I use fvwm on all my
systems) instead of locking with xscreensaver. After that it hand
forever with blinking sleep indication.

When I login in this state remotely via ssh and do a reboot, it goes
instantly into sleep and I have to wake up to finish the reboot.

The laptop with my own kernel seems to be not affected. It still works
as before.

Anyone seen the same?

Does anyone have any idea?

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [DNG] eudev naming of network interfaces

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Am Di den 26. Dez 2017 um 20:04 schrieb J. Fahrner:
> eth0 works normal in network-manager. The error is only during boot. I'm
> wondering why ifup tries to activate eth0, since this is not in
> /etc/network/interfaces. Where does this info come from, that it should
> enable eth0? Does it come from udevd?

Are you sure that there is no entry for in /etc/network/interfaces.d/*?

Regards
   Klaus
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[DNG] Ansible (and probably other configuration management systems) and Devuan facts

[Klaus Ethgen]

ig2017-12-10 15:11:55.389637887 +0100
   +++ distribution.py 2017-12-10 15:36:22.463056530 +0100
   @@ -310,6 +310,18 @@
rc, out, err = self.module.run_command(cmd)
if rc == 0:
debian_facts['distribution_release'] = out.strip()
   +elif 'Devuan' in data:
   +debian_facts['distribution'] = 'Devuan'
   +release1 = re.search("PRETTY_NAME=.* ([0-9]+) \(([^)]+)\)", 
data)
   +release2 = re.search("PRETTY_NAME=.* ([^ \"]+)\"", data)
   +if release1:
   +debian_facts['distribution_release'] = release1.groups()[1]
   +debian_facts['distribution_major_version'] = 
release1.groups()[0]
   +debian_facts['distribution_version'] = release1.groups()[0]
   +elif release2:
   +debian_facts['distribution_release'] = release2.groups()[0]
   +debian_facts['distribution_major_version'] = 
release2.groups()[0]
   +debian_facts['distribution_version'] = release2.groups()[0]
elif 'Ubuntu' in data:
debian_facts['distribution'] = 'Ubuntu'
# nothing else to do, Ubuntu gets correct info from python 
functions
   @@ -411,7 +423,7 @@
'Ascendos', 'CloudLinux', 'PSBM', 
'OracleLinux', 'OVS',
'OEL', 'Amazon', 'Virtuozzo', 'XenServer'],
 'Debian': ['Debian', 'Ubuntu', 'Raspbian', 'Neon', 
'KDE neon',
   -'Linux Mint'],
   +'Linux Mint', 'Devuan'],
 'Suse': ['SuSE', 'SLES', 'SLED', 'openSUSE', 'openSUSE 
Tumbleweed',
  'SLES_SAP', 'SUSE_LINUX', 'openSUSE Leap'],
 'Archlinux': ['Archlinux', 'Antergos', 'Manjaro'],

Do you see a better way to do the stuff? Best would be to use the lsb
stuff but that is only available when lsb-release is installed.

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [DNG] eudev in experimental for ascii

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Hi,

Am Mo den 27. Nov 2017 um 11:42 schrieb Jaromil:
> for those who have Devuan ASCII running, we have a package of eudev in
> experimental to test and feedback is very welcome, since this is the
> candidate package to substitute udev. eudev is maintained upstream by
> talented people at Gentoo who definitely deserve our praise.
[...]
>   apt-get -t experimental install eudev

Works great!

Finally I could get rid of one more pötering-crap! This just works after
the need to stick forever with version 215-18 of udev as later versions
was just broken. (With later versions of udev the system would not
reboot and heavy boot delays of 10 minutes and more)

This eudev package just work and it feels faster than udev 215-18.

If you ever come to the area of Zürich, I owe you a beer or two. :-)

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [DNG] WARNING: lvm2 > 2.02.173-1 breaks some systems and make them unbootable

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Hi folks,

I add the lvm source package to my debian unbreak repository[0][1]. Note
that there is also a debian-security repository[2] that fixes some
security problems introduced by debian (and refused upstream for
security reason).

Regards
   Klaus

[0] ftp://ftp.ethgen.ch/pub/debian/pool/unofficial/l/lvm2
[1] deb ftp://ftp.ethgen.ch/pub/debian ceres unofficial
[2] deb ftp://ftp.ethgen.ch/pub/debian-security ceres unofficial-secured
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Re: [DNG] WARNING: lvm2 > 2.02.173-1 breaks some systems and make them unbootable

[Klaus Ethgen]

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#157

Regards
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Re: [DNG] WARNING: lvm2 > 2.02.173-1 breaks some systems and make them unbootable

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Am Di den  7. Nov 2017 um 17:07 schrieb John Hughes:
> > Well, Debian deprecated a separate /usr as systemd is not working good
> > with a separate /usr.
> 
> They actually deprecated it as many things were not working with a separate
> /usr.  systemd has no more or less problems than anything else that uses
> things on /usr.
> 
> I come from a Unix background -- separate /usr was deprecated in the 1990's
> with SVR4.2, I'm kind of amazed it took Linux so long to catch up.

Well, it was never a problem until they brought systemd into debian. All
my systems have separate /usr and just a very small /.

That SVR4.2 deprecated that was just the fact that proprietary packages
often polite other path under / like /opt or even worse.

It is the best way to keep your /usr flexible to further lvm grows for
example.

> In this particular case it's a bit irritating, it could be fixed by moving
> liblz4 to /lib or by not linking the various lvm2 binaries against
> libsystemd.

Well, yes, the proper solution would be to not ling against libsystemd.

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [DNG] WARNING: lvm2 > 2.02.173-1 breaks some systems and make them unbootable

[Klaus Ethgen]

Am Di den  7. Nov 2017 um 17:00 schrieb Klaus Ethgen:
> > So, could you please also file a bug report in Devuan with a link to
> > Debian's bug report? Use bugs.devuan.org for that.
> 
> Done.

Hmm... Doesn't seem to work. I sent the attached mail but nothing
happened.

Regards
   Klaus
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Package: lvm2
Version: 2.02.175-1
Severity: critical

Debian-Bug: #881057
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Re: [DNG] WARNING: lvm2 > 2.02.173-1 breaks some systems and make them unbootable

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Am Di den  7. Nov 2017 um 16:50 schrieb John Hughes:
> So, it seems some things depend on lz4.  But nothing mentions it directly.
> 
> But, here's the problem -- lvm2 depends on
> /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libsystemd.so.0 and *that* depends on liblz4.
> 
> This is sad.

True. Especially as that dependency is absolutelly not needed.

It is the way they want to bring systemd dependencies into any package.

> To allow /usr-less booting either lvm2 should not depend on libsystemd, or
> liblz4 should be moved to /lib.

Well, nothing should depend on libsystemd. liblz4 is not needed by lvm.

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Re: [DNG] WARNING: lvm2 > 2.02.173-1 breaks some systems and make them unbootable

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Am Di den  7. Nov 2017 um 16:22 schrieb Evilham:
[broken lvm2 in debian]
> This is quite serious.
> 
> If you found the issue only appears with 2.02.175-1, Devuan Jessie and
> Ascii would be safe, so no need to worry yet. We do have to keep track
> of how (and if) it gets fixed in Debian.

The first broken version is 2.02.175-1, or other way, the last working
version is 2.02.173-1.

> So, could you please also file a bug report in Devuan with a link to
> Debian's bug report? Use bugs.devuan.org for that.

Done.

> Change log and WHATS_NEW file don't contain mentions of a
> similar-sounding issue. The only thing fixed regarding 2.02.175 is:
> - Fix detection of moved PVs in vgsplit. (2.02.175)
> Which doesn't sound like your problem.
> It wouldn't hurt to try to chroot your way into the system and upgrade
> the package though.

Well, The problem is that I _did_ an upgrade and ended with a unbootable
system. I had to boot with grml and installed version 2.02.173-1 what
fixed the problem.

ldd do show the dependencies to /usr if you want to check yourself.

Gruß
   Klaus
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Re: [DNG] WARNING: lvm2 > 2.02.173-1 breaks some systems and make them unbootable

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Am Di den  7. Nov 2017 um 16:21 schrieb John Hughes:
> On 07/11/17 15:29, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
> 
> > today I suffered by a heavy bug in lvm2. With version 2.02.175-1 it
> > starts to depend on library in /usr.
> 
> Which binary? What library in /usr?

/sbin/lvm
Lib /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liblz4.so.1

> > If you have an seperate /usr (what is not supported by the ignorance of
> > systemd) and that /usr on lvm and a kernel with no initrd (what does not
> > exist in the ignorance of systemd), then you are doomed and your system
> > will not boot anymore.
> 
> What does this have to do with systemd?

Well, Debian deprecated a separate /usr as systemd is not working good
with a separate /usr.

> If your system uses sysvinit instead of systemd does it manage to mount /usr
> if /usr is on lvm?  How?

Well, lvm as all important binaries never depend on any in /usr. So why
shouldn't that work? It was a common setup until systemd found the way
into debian.

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[DNG] WARNING: lvm2 > 2.02.173-1 breaks some systems and make them unbootable

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Hello,

today I suffered by a heavy bug in lvm2. With version 2.02.175-1 it
starts to depend on library in /usr.

If you have an seperate /usr (what is not supported by the ignorance of
systemd) and that /usr on lvm and a kernel with no initrd (what does not
exist in the ignorance of systemd), then you are doomed and your system
will not boot anymore.

How is that going in devuan? Will it be repaired? I already filled an
bugreport in debian but I believe it will be closed as wontfix by
Biebl, the systemd priest in debian.

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Hi,

Am Fr den 22. Sep 2017 um 10:37 schrieb Didier Kryn:
> Le 21/09/2017 à 17:12, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI a écrit :
> > Under Debian, I could su to root in a console, and launch gparted from the 
> > CLI.
> 
> This could never work. su does not transmit the X connection (don't know
> the details). You got to use gksu or gksudo, or some equivalent command.
> With just su you can only use the CLI parted.

Not true.

That is the job of pam_xauth.so. Just use it as session plugin in pam.

Gruß
   Klaus
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Re: [DNG] apt-get update issues today

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Hi,

Am So den  7. Mai 2017 um  8:11 schrieb KatolaZ:
> On Sat, May 06, 2017 at 05:41:44PM -0500, hal wrote:
> > I tried apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade today and not
> > sure what's going on. Some kind of issue with makedev or udev
> > along with a warning about the kernel and initramfs-tools
> > 
> > Can somone offer some insight on how to resolve the issues in this
> > console output?
> > 
> > https://pastebin.com/q55wVD1S
> knowing what are dist-upgrading from/to would immensely help
> understanding what is going on.

While that is true, it doesn't help that much.

I have such issues from time to time. When this happens, I usually stop
immediately and try to resolve it via `apt-get upgrade` followed by
manual resolving of the conflicts. Keep in mind that apt will,
sometimes, deinstall stuff instead installing alternative libraries.

About dist-upgrade, there is something in-between. Try `apt upgrade`,
what is something like `apt-get --with-new-pkgs upgrade`.

Regards
   Klaus
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[DNG] Why I don't want to have Pöttersoft on my system

[Klaus Ethgen]

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https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5644

No further comment needed.

Have fun reading. (Found on popular fefe blog)

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [DNG] Fwd: init system agnosticism [WAS: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system]

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Am Mi den 12. Apr 2017 um 16:58 schrieb Steve Litt:
> I have no knowledge of the origin of this thread, probably having to do
> with my .procmailrc /dev/nulling certain people. But I have a very
> clear message about this thread's subject: There's no place in Devuan
> for init system agnosticism if such agnosticism includes a tolerance
> for systemd.
> 
> Once installed, systemd makes it 50 times harder to install other
> inits. And even though there may currently be Debian
> package-manager-foo that can do it, there's never a guarantee that will
> survive.
> 
> Systemd actively sabotages the ability to replace it, whereas no
> other inits do that (that I know of). It would be stupid of Devuan to
> allow systemd into their software.

Not only that. With including libsystemd0 in every package dependency,
it makes them factually unable to build.

Take for example openssh, I provide patched packages on my server that
remove the patches of debian that lower ssh security for just gaining a
bit more comfort. However, in the recent days it was even not possible
anymore to build as it build depend on libsystemd-dev that is starting
to depend on systemd itself.

But this libsystemd-dev dependency is not needed at all.

Other think, did you ever try to deinstall libsystemd0? It will
deinstall many other packages; at least on ceres.

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

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Am Mo den 10. Apr 2017 um 22:09 schrieb Alessandro Selli:
>   You still should use sudo, with a password - the user's own password. 
> Using root password many times, every day, is bad for security (the more
> times you type it the higher the chances are it will be captured)

That is a common misunderstanding.

If you have (like many people) have your account allowed to do
everything with sudo, than it doesn't matter if you have to type the
root password or your own. If a attacker can get hand on one of that
two, he can use it.

Moreover, it raises the attack vector from one password to two.

That stupid use of sudo (That was initialize introduced by ubuntu)
should have an end.

Another think is if (or not) you should allow login as root via password
at all.

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [DNG] bugs.devuan.org online

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Hi,

Am Mo den  3. Apr 2017 um 21:46 schrieb KatolaZ:
> > Yes. However, it didn't process my Severity.
> That's a problem with reportbug, since the list of severities does not
> match those configured in the BTS. It's my fault. I will now open a
> bug on reportbug :)

Well, I created that mail manually by using the same pseudo headers
reportbug does as I wrote it on a system where I cannot install the
devuan reportbug right now.

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [DNG] bugs.devuan.org online

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Hi,

Am Mo den  3. Apr 2017 um 21:26 schrieb KatolaZ:
> you should just be patient.

Yes, this is my "Bug". ;-)

> Incoming bugs are processed by a cron script, and the web pages are
> updated at a slower pace.

Ah, ok, thought it is processed by MTA directly.

> You should have already received a confirmation email from the BTS
> saying that the bug has been received and processed.

Yes. However, it didn't process my Severity.

Nice think, it has bug number 53 and is about DNS(SEC). :-)

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [DNG] bugs.devuan.org online

[Klaus Ethgen]

Hi,

Doesn't seems to work. The mail (see attachment) went out but no bug is opened.
   2017-04-03 21:53:05 1cv82D-0004E2-4w <= kl...@ethgen.de H=(ikki.ket) 
[192.168.17.4] P=esmtpsa X=TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256 CV=no 
A=plain_server:ikki S=3678 id=20170403195304.e2srg6biwapru...@ikki.ethgen.ch
   2017-04-03 21:53:08 1cv82D-0004E2-4w => sub...@bugs.devuan.org R=dnslookup 
T=remote_smtp H=tupac2.dyne.org [178.62.188.7] 
X=TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128 CV=yes DN="OU=Domain Control 
Validated,OU=Gandi Standard Wildcard SSL,CN=*.dyne.org" C="250 2.0.0 Ok: queued 
as 776B018BF8E"

Regards
   Klaus
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--- Begin Message ---
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Package: devuan-www
Severity: important

Since several months, the web page (www.devuan.org) is not viewable for
those who care about security and trust only the certificate that the
owner has access to instead of every untrusted CA.

The way to do that is DNSSEC with TLSA and thankfully, devuan does
support that.

Unfortunately, since several months, (I believe, when devuan switched to
that horrable Let's encrypt) the page doesn't match the TLSA record
anymore. That leads to a unviewable page if one cares about security.

So the TLSA record should be updated to match the SSL certificate of the
page (or the right SSL certificate should be used).

There are few solutions for this if it is really the switch to Let's
encrypt that is the cause:
- - Every time you replace the SSL certificate, update the TLSA record
  too. That is very painful as Let's encrypt drives security adabsurdum
  by replacing the certificate with every single new load. (Keep in
  mind, not everyone is checking the side every hour.) That is the most
  stupid (sorry) way.
- - Get a certificate from a more stable source that is not replacing the
  certificates that often. You still need to change the TLSA record
  every time you replace the certificate. That is, in my opinion, the
  most reliable way.
- - If you don't care about the fucked up CA stuff, just generate a self
  signed certificate and put the right stuff into TLSA record. This is
  the most honest way to go but realistically, as browser vendors seems
  to passively boycott DNSSEC, this is no way to go for a site like
  devuan.
- - The last way would be to use the CA fingerprint instead of the one of
  the actual certificate. Or use the fingerprint of the key if you don't
  change it with every certificate renewal. This is making good face on
  a bad matter but it is working too.

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [DNG] bugs.devuan.org online

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Hi,

Am Mo den  3. Apr 2017 um 13:58 schrieb KatolaZ:
> just to let you know that the Devuan's bug tracking system is finally
> available online at:
> 
>   https://bugs.devuan.org
> 
> The system is compatible with the BTS used by Debian (we are actually
> using the same code base), and shares the same workflow.

Thank you very much! I thought myself of implementing it but I do not
know where to get the source base from.

Nevertheless, I might have one very urgent bugreport to file on the web
page. (The problem that TLSA is not working) So are there metapackages
for website?

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [DNG] Announcing the git.devuan.org connection

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Hi,

Am Di den  7. Mär 2017 um  7:15 schrieb Ralph Ronnquist:
> The newest addition to the dev1galaxy.org forum intends to make
> git.devuan.org (gdo) more directly accessible and understandable to Devuan
> users as well as to (hopefully) help solve outstanding project issues posted
> at gdo.

Hmm... Still not reachable as the TLSA record is different of the
certificate I get from the page.

> Ralph (for the dev1galaxy team)
> https://dev1galaxy.org

That is reachable but has neither DNSSEC nor a TLSA record.

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [DNG] SSL certificate on devuan.org invalid

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Hi guys,

Could the SSL problem on the web pages please get fixed? Since weeks it
is imposible to access the devuan.org pages due to a different
TLSA-Entry.

It is good to have a TLSA record as the SSL CA system is systemically
broken. But as it is right now, the page is worse than not existing.

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [DNG] SSL certificate on devuan.org invalid

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Hi folks,

Am Di den 31. Jan 2017 um 19:35 schrieb Klaus Ethgen:
> the SSL certificate for website devuan.org is invalid again and does not
> match the one in TLSA record.

That problem gets serious now. I even cannot access www.devuan.org
anymore.

On all pages I get certificate mismatch. There seems to be one that is
impersonalizing devuan.org with a faked Let's Encrypt certificate.

The Fingerprint I get currently from the website is:
CF:C6:BE:F8:22:E5:30:16:3A:50:3B:1A:B8:99:FC:9D:83:B3:E5:38

And tlsa verification gives:
~> tlsa --verify www.devuan.org
FAIL (Usage 3 [DANE-EE]): Certificate offered by the server does not match the 
TLSA record (46.105.191.76)
FAIL (Usage 3 [DANE-EE]): Certificate offered by the server does not match the 
TLSA record (2001:41d0:8:2c55::a1)

As the impersonating uses a Let's encrypt certificate I think it is a
more sever problem than just that my side would be tampered.

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [DNG] Devuan and oss(4)

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Am Fr den  3. Feb 2017 um 23:32 schrieb KatolaZ:
> > Am Fr den  3. Feb 2017 um 11:12 schrieb KatolaZ:
> > > Meaning: help supporting what you would like to see working in Devuan,
> > > whatever it is. If you have working OSS packages, it would be good to
> > > upload them on the Devuan gitlab, and then help integrating them back
> > > in Devuan.
> > 
> > I have noaccess to that.
> 
> You can just register an account at:
> 
>   https://git.devuan.org

Hmm... I cannot access that site as the TLSA-Certificate does not match
the CA I get from it.

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [DNG] Devuan and oss(4)

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Am Fr den  3. Feb 2017 um 11:12 schrieb KatolaZ:
> Meaning: help supporting what you would like to see working in Devuan,
> whatever it is. If you have working OSS packages, it would be good to
> upload them on the Devuan gitlab, and then help integrating them back
> in Devuan.

I have noaccess to that.

But see ftp://ftp.ethgen.ch/pub/debian/dists/ceres/ and
ftp://ftp.ethgen.ch/pub/debian/pool/unofficial/w/wine-development/

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [DNG] Devuan and oss(4)

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Hi Folks,

Am Fr den  3. Feb 2017 um  8:51 schrieb KatolaZ:
> > Compared to that, OSS always work with high quality sound.
> > 
> > I wonder if Devuan will stay with free software like debian was long
> > time ago and let the user choose what to use or if it follows debian in
> > only supporting one (non-working) sound system.
> > 
> 
> Letting the user choose implies providing adequate support. Are you
> volunteering to maintain OSS support in Devuan? That would be great,
> indeed.

Meaning, maintaining oss4 packages?

Currently I stay in contact to the debian maintainer as the dkms package
works fine but not the standalone kernel package. I have a self
maintained version already on my server reenabling it. Nevertheless it
is not optimal.

Am Fr den  3. Feb 2017 um  9:34 schrieb Arnt Gulbrandsen:
> Klaus Ethgen writes:
> > I wonder if Devuan will stay with free software like debian was long
> > time ago and let the user choose what to use or if it follows debian in
> > only supporting one (non-working) sound system.
> 
> There are two questions here. Open source support is limited by a) volunteer
> availability and b) project policy. Which part are you asking about?

First the second one. I seen in debian more and more working interfaces
removed or actively destroyed. OSS(4) is one of them. It work fine until
one maintainer not liking OSS removes it from support (Like recently
done in wine).

About point a, I think, that is doable to some extents. As I mentioned
before in one mail, my time is (like time of most here, I think)
limited. But I already maintain some stuff parallel to debian as debian
destroyed it.

Only problem I see currently, my contribution to geeqie (upstream)
suffer a bit..

Regards
   Klaus
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[DNG] Devuan and oss(4)

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Hello folks,

debian stopped working oss under most current wine. That brings me to
the question which way Devuan is going respective fredom to choose sound
system.

Backround is, that alsa never worked for me. The best I was able to get
out was some cracking sound that gets worse when I move the mouse. But I
also experience several kernel panics when trying alsa.

Compared to that, OSS always work with high quality sound.

I wonder if Devuan will stay with free software like debian was long
time ago and let the user choose what to use or if it follows debian in
only supporting one (non-working) sound system.

Regards
   Klaus
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[DNG] SSL certificate on devuan.org invalid

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Hello,

the SSL certificate for website devuan.org is invalid again and does not
match the one in TLSA record.

Could you please fix it?

Regards
   Klaus
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[DNG] bindeb-pkg (Was: Won't boot after dist-upgrade)

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Hi,

Am Fr den 16. Dez 2016 um 19:32 schrieb Adam Borowski:
> I'd recommend against using kernel-package, it is basically unmaintained and
> produces broken packages, at least for modern kernels.  If you're trying to
> compile a recent kernel, you'll be far better off using "make bindeb-pkg".

Never seen that bindeb-pkg... I always build my kernels with make-kpkg.

With "make bindeb-pkg", is there a way to build additional modules like
it is with make-kpkg?

I use oss4 and nvidia modules and I depend on them. So I need a way to
build them too.

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [DNG] Recommended location for iptables rules

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Hi folks,

Am Di den  6. Dez 2016 um  0:07 schrieb Daniel Reurich:
> On 06/12/16 05:50, Lars Noodén wrote:
> > Where should we be commending the storage of iptables rules in Devuan
> > Jessie?
> 
> There should not be a default location.  It should be left to each
> firewall application to define.  This is particularly important as
> iptables has a competitor in nftables and likely to be deprecated at
> some point so we can't guarantee into the future that iptables will
> always exist.

Well, I think, there should be an advice.

Historical I use /var/lib/iptables. But that is only great when using
dynamic iptables. Present days I do them manually so /etc/something
might be better.

> Generally a well setup Linux system has no network connectable services
> running that aren't intended to be, in which case it's relatively
> resistant to hacking attempts.  This means firewall in a well secured
> network is generally not necessary or desirable.  The only instance I'd
> consider a workstation firewall is a laptop connecting to untrusted
> networks regularly.

Well, except avahi, cups, samba, ntp, rpcbind and some other bad
designed tools that default listen on 0.0.0.0 and that are pulled in
with a common linux desktop installation.

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [DNG] Systemd-Illness in procps.

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Hi,

Am Mo den  5. Dez 2016 um  9:01 schrieb Aldemir Akpinar:
> Seems like it's been infected about 1.5 years ago.
> 
> https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/procps.git/commit/?id=e24f0f994ad3279eb387bea8cda907d4e6f61926

Might be. I just seen it recently when it start linking to /usr libs.

> (Correct me if I'm wrong) I think the idea is to retrieve login details
> from systemd-login for ps output. Is this information available on a
> systemd system with normal syscalls I do not know.

Sure. Nice API, isn't it!? Every Tool has its own tools to query special
values. Just systemd must infect every standard tool.

The same I could ask why ls does not display acls (getfacl) or
capabilities (getcap and why does ps not show them? (getpcaps)) or
fileattributes (lsattr)? Only systemd has to infect all other tools that
aggressively.

And look at the costs. It pulls in all the systemd environment just for
a ps!? It breaks several usecases.

Not to mention, why such daemons like tor or stunnel need to be linked
against systemd.

Regards
   Klaus
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[DNG] Systemd-Illness in procps.

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Now we get that systemd illness in devuan too. Stealthy at the moment as
procps is not broken until now but one after another.

There is absolutely no reason to build procps against libsystemd and
pull in all that shiny /usr/... namespace which makes systems unbootable
in the end.

~> dpkg -L libprocps6
/.
/lib
/lib/i386-linux-gnu
/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libprocps.so.6.0.0
/usr
/usr/share
/usr/share/doc
/usr/share/doc/libprocps6
/usr/share/doc/libprocps6/NEWS.Debian.gz
/usr/share/doc/libprocps6/changelog.Debian.gz
/usr/share/doc/libprocps6/changelog.gz
/usr/share/doc/libprocps6/copyright
/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libprocps.so.6
~> ldd /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libprocps.so.6.0.0
linux-gate.so.1 (0xb779b000)
libsystemd.so.0 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libsystemd.so.0 (0xb76c)
^^
libdl.so.2 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 (0xb76bb000)
libc.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0xb7504000)
libselinux.so.1 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libselinux.so.1 (0xb74d7000)
librt.so.1 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/librt.so.1 (0xb74ce000)
liblzma.so.5 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/liblzma.so.5 (0xb74a2000)
liblz4.so.1 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/liblz4.so.1 (0xb748f000)
^^
libgcrypt.so.20 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgcrypt.so.20 (0xb73c1000)
libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgcc_s.so.1 (0xb73a1000)
libpthread.so.0 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0 (0xb7384000)
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x8000d000)
libpcre.so.3 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpcre.so.3 (0xb730b000)
libgpg-error.so.0 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgpg-error.so.0 (0xb72f5000)

That is pulled in by intel-gpu-tools.

By the way, other packages that are linked to libsystemd for no need or
even worse:
- - tor
- - stunnel4
- - rpcbind
- - rsyslog
- - openvpn
- - iodine

Just to name some important out of "apt-cache rdepends libsystemd0". But
not important as the procps as that is killing systems in the end.

Regards
   Klaus
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[DNG] HTTPS

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Hi folks,

https://devuan.org/ is not reachable anymore as the certificate is
expired.

With this, I will remind you that https://git.devuan.org/ is not
reachable too as the certificate does not match the TLSA entry.

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [DNG] reportbug

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Hi,

Am Mo den 28. Nov 2016 um 16:40 schrieb Jaromil:
> On Sun, 27 Nov 2016, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
> > is there any plan to get reportbug working in devuan too? It is one of
> > the thinks I liked debian more than other distributions that using
> > horrible bugzilla or even worse, launchpad.
> 
> while we are using gitlab' issues for now, there hasn't been any
> strong reason against using also reportbug and Debian's bug reporting
> infrastructure which is quite well integrated with other tools. What
> we lack is a volunteer to take up this task, since all developers
> involved are already fully engaged with what is going on.
> 
> you and others reading are very welcome to take up this task or even
> better help form a team that can install and maintain a Devuan BTS.

Hmm.. That might really a job I could do. I have only little resorces to
give but if it make devuan better...

I will think about that.

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [DNG] recent debian-systemd-people gaffe

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Hi,

Am So den 27. Nov 2016 um 23:47 schrieb Rowland Penny:
> I still don't understand why you cannot mount /usr, just what do you
> gain by doing it the systemd way ??

Well, To mount /usr, udev has to make it available first (via mddevice
and lvm). But udev uses ps internal and ps is, in new debians, linked
against libsystemd and libsystemd depends on libraries in /usr.

And Biebl in his divine wisdom just closed the bug report as wontfix.

Regards
   Klaus
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[DNG] TLSA certificate on https://git.devuan.org/

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Hi,

the certificate on https://git.devuan.org/ does not match the one in
TLSA record.

~> host -t tlsa _443._tcp.git.devuan.org
_443._tcp.git.devuan.org has TLSA record 2 0 1 
7FDCE3BF4103C2684B3ADBB5792884BD45C75094C217788863950346 F79C90A3

Regards
   Klaus
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[DNG] recent debian-systemd-people gaffe

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Just for your amusement or your seriousness, have a look at the most
recent gaffe of debian systemd people Biebl. #845480.

The ignorance of that guy has no limit. :-(

In the begin, I asked Craig to not reassign it to systemd as I already
knew of the outcome. But then, this Biebl sees it and closed it right
away with a ignorant note.

It is really hard to not get personal to him via mail.

Luckily I didn't had to do with Pötering. I expect him the same.

Regards
   Klaus
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[DNG] reportbug

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Hi Folks (again ;-),

is there any plan to get reportbug working in devuan too? It is one of
the thinks I liked debian more than other distributions that using
horrible bugzilla or even worse, launchpad.

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   Klaus
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[DNG] rsyslog on ceres

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Hi folks,

recently, I tried to install rsyslog on ceres. Unfortunately I found it
uninstallable due to a dependency to unavailable liblognorm2.

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [DNG] vi for beginners

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Am Do den 16. Jul 2015 um 17:04 schrieb John Crisp:
 Nice HowTos thank you.

So, and to make the stuff complete, please a (easy) way to leave emacs
(without breaking my fingers or getting a knot into it.) :-)

I always get stessed if emacs get started on a new computer where I did
not check the editor settings.

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

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Am Mi den 15. Jul 2015 um 16:27 schrieb John Crisp:
 On 15/07/15 17:14, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
  
  mc respectible mcedit is also a pain in the a... How often did I loose
  stuff due to the editor.. I have to damit that I used it sometimes 25
  years ago when I start with linux but i learned pretty fast that it
  makes you just slow and not to use it...
  
 
 Seems the first release was 21 years ago (we all get a little memory
 loss) and I've used it pretty well since then and never lost a file (I
 can't say I am a heavy user). I've recovered plenty of systems with it
 though.

:-D

Well, nearly.. I started playing with linux somewhat around '92 or '93.
far before the version 1.0

However, had some experiences with other unix before and used NC on dos
obviously.

 It's a good tool for some quick navigation around and tickling the odd file.

It was on dos with a limited shell. But with current shells like zsh I
am much faster without and, most important, more flexible and more
safe.

Even though mc is something good for beginners but debian or devuan is
not focusing on beginners and even devuan is focusing on veteran unix
admins so vi(m) would be the only proper choice. :-D

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Am Mi den 15. Jul 2015 um  1:59 schrieb Franco Lanza:
 exim - postfix

Why not nullmailer?

nullmailer is fine for most beginners and for more you want to choose
yourself.

I personally do not like pestfix. It has some drawbacks:
- - It is good for simple tasks but when the setup gets a bit more
  specific it is a pain in the a...
- - It has no stable queue-ids
- - It starts so many different daemons that are not fully clear if one
  needs them or not. (Cleaning up master.cf is a mess.) Definitely no
  KISS principle.

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Am Mi den 15. Jul 2015 um 16:06 schrieb Renaud OLGIATI:
 On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 16:38:43 +0200
 Franco Lanza next...@nexlab.it wrote:
 
  traditionally UNIX has vi, this is why i'm suggesting it.
 
 Except that Debian does not have it when a boot prob sends you to the rescue 
 console  ;-3(

Yes, and that is a pain in the a...

nano is such a unusable editor; I never was able to use it. Even leaving
is not that easy.

vi (or vim-tiny) is the only editor that would be proper for such a
important point. Some might argue emacs but that is a too big one (And
I don't like it. ;-)

mc respectible mcedit is also a pain in the a... How often did I loose
stuff due to the editor.. I have to damit that I used it sometimes 25
years ago when I start with linux but i learned pretty fast that it
makes you just slow and not to use it...

Regards
   Klaus
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[DNG] Answering in the list

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Hi guys,

is it to much to ask not to include me in the To: when answering my
posts? Obviously I read the list so the discussion should stay here.

And another plea, please don't post TOFU[0].

Regards
   Klaus

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting
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Re: [DNG] Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2)

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Am Fr den  3. Jul 2015 um  8:52 schrieb ?? :
 I would give you an advice then: stand far from such overhelming
 projects as «KDE» and «GNOME» are -- pick out of a bunch of
 applications your own desktop.

I am not Gregory, but This two DEs are on my blacklist at all. Being a
fvwm user for more than 20 years now and still happy with it. :-D

Some of /my/ reasons for not choosing KDE or GNOME
- - Many daemons started by this DEs. I am a control freak and does not
  want all that daemons. (For using KDE applications, I even have alias
  kdekill=pkill -9
  'kded4|knotify|kdeinit4|kio_http_cache_|kuiserver|kwalletd' to
  cleanup that crap afterwards.)
- - I like to configure my DE for /my/ needs and not the ones of the
  developers of that DEs.
- - I dislike devs who tries to place me under disability as GNOME does.
- - I like a mostly console (xterm) setting. The DE should most time only
  be there to switch between them. Why should I use a overblown system
  for that?
- - I like my DE even on limited hardware. Try that with KDE on system
  with up to 1G Mem, slow disk and slow CPU. Believe me, that is no fun.
- - ...

Regards
   Klaus
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