[DNG] test please ignore
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[DNG] pitfall with mariadb and init.d
Hi List, last week i installed mariadb, worked nicely but i noticed that no logs where written. After a lot of tie searching i found that a file mariadb.conf.d/50-mysqld_safe.cnf was setting the option skip_log_error. I seems that this is triggered only when mariadb is started via init (the provided script starts mariadb via mysqld_safe). I am not sure who feels resposible for that but i suggest to disable this options asop to have the same behavier. Tested version: 10.5.15 re, pr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] moving to a new system
Am 24.06.22 um 16:05 schrieb o1bigtenor via Dng: Greetings Hoping that I'm not asking too many questions. (moving from debian testing to devuan testing (daedalus) the old system is under 5.17.xx and the new one is on 5.18 if that makes for differences) When your changes are user-related only, have your changes in /home/user this is actually easy. rsync -avz src dst take same time to make yourself familiar with rsync use -n to have a dry run, but do also make same real copies. (I've learnt the hard way that just winging things means a LOT more work and even a greater chance for issues.) My existing system has been a work in progress for over 10 years. So I've gotten things set up quite the way that I like them so things change slowly but in that there are also less 'terror' moments when everything has gone 'goofy'. When your are like my and you have changed a lot of system stuff things are more complicated. propper Programms have there configuration with in /etc. So when you compare your current /etc/ with the new one you have a good change to figure out what you changed in the last 10 years. Unfortunately these days same people thing it is a good idea to store in /usr/share or same where. Here are you on you own. that should help with most issues. Is there any way to move over things like settings (and all the other pamphernania) for browsers and libreoffice and the like? I was thinking of doing things by using scp from the old system to the new one. Dunno if that would create issues or not. Any better ideas - - - - well I'm all ears!!! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] strange effect on overwrite
Its a normal HD i guess 4096 is ok, but i do not think that this matters. Am 23.06.22 um 13:11 schrieb Rich W: Hi, A blocksize of 1G seems extreme. What is the optimal blocksize of the output device? Cheers, -Rich On Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 4:52 AM Radisson via Dng wrote: Hi list, i found a strange ext4 (?) effect. when i write to a disk: dd if=/dev/zero of=xx bs=1G count=1 reports 2.6 GB (expected) doing again speed drops to 200MB. removing xx restores old speed. I ask the net and it seems that the effect is there since kernel 2.6. I found the explainations a bit confusing. does anyone know more ? note: i was analysing a performace issue for mysql and i am not sure if that problems matters outside tests. re rp ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] strange effect on overwrite
Hi list, i found a strange ext4 (?) effect. when i write to a disk: dd if=/dev/zero of=xx bs=1G count=1 reports 2.6 GB (expected) doing again speed drops to 200MB. removing xx restores old speed. I ask the net and it seems that the effect is there since kernel 2.6. I found the explainations a bit confusing. does anyone know more ? note: i was analysing a performace issue for mysql and i am not sure if that problems matters outside tests. re rp ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] starting mysql in background ?
Hi, i found an other solution disabling innoDB_buffer_pool_load_at_start reduces startup time to an acceptable level ca. 1min. maybe that is of concern for anyone. re, pr Am 17.06.22 um 19:32 schrieb Radisson via Dng: Am 15.06.22 um 19:12 schrieb Simon: Radisson via Dng wrote: i would like to start my mysqld 8.0 in background because it takes several minutes to start. Under what init/process manger setup ? If under SysVInit, then I would suggest you could simply modify the relevant init scripts to not wait for the process to fully start - i.e. just return success as soon as it looks like it is starting normally. But you’ll also need to modify anything that depends on mysql such that it will wait for it to be available rather than just the init script having exited normally. thx everybody, here are the more details: i use sysv-init with a simple start script in init.d. in the end the script starts mysqld_safe in background and waits for a pid. (yes i could remove that but i do not know the side effects) The problem is inside mysqld initilizing innodb can take minutes with a large database (unsolved problem). i already found startpar because i saw startpar -f mysqld but frankly i did not understand how to configurate it, and left it. The idea of running mysqld direct from initab sound funny and takes away alot of ccruft hanging around with mysql start script, did somebody try it already ? re, pr There is an argument that the correct way to start processes is to simply start them all at once (zero attempt at sequencing) - and have the beginning of each script (or other config mechanism) be a “wait until my prerequisites (however I define them) to be available” step. Simon ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] starting mysql in background ?
Am 15.06.22 um 19:12 schrieb Simon: Radisson via Dng wrote: i would like to start my mysqld 8.0 in background because it takes several minutes to start. Under what init/process manger setup ? If under SysVInit, then I would suggest you could simply modify the relevant init scripts to not wait for the process to fully start - i.e. just return success as soon as it looks like it is starting normally. But you’ll also need to modify anything that depends on mysql such that it will wait for it to be available rather than just the init script having exited normally. thx everybody, here are the more details: i use sysv-init with a simple start script in init.d. in the end the script starts mysqld_safe in background and waits for a pid. (yes i could remove that but i do not know the side effects) The problem is inside mysqld initilizing innodb can take minutes with a large database (unsolved problem). i already found startpar because i saw startpar -f mysqld but frankly i did not understand how to configurate it, and left it. The idea of running mysqld direct from initab sound funny and takes away alot of ccruft hanging around with mysql start script, did somebody try it already ? re, pr There is an argument that the correct way to start processes is to simply start them all at once (zero attempt at sequencing) - and have the beginning of each script (or other config mechanism) be a “wait until my prerequisites (however I define them) to be available” step. Simon ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] starting mysql in background ?
Hello list, i would like to start my mysqld 8.0 in background because it takes several minutes to start. Does someone have a solution ? re, pr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] lpr print pdf file landscape orientation
Am 02.12.21 um 23:17 schrieb Marjorie Roome via Dng: Hi Haines, On Sun, 2021-11-28 at 15:12 -0500, Haines Brown wrote: I have bsd-lpr. I can print a text file with landscape orientation with $ lpr -o landscape file.txt My problem is that I cannot print pdf files in landscape orientation. $ lpr -o landscape file.pdf does nothing. you need some utility programm the print spooler will only transferinformation the -o opition will be transfered to a filter programm (if configured) https://unix-stackexchange-com.translate.goog/questions/394065/command-line-how-do-you-rotate-a-pdf-file-90-degrees?_x_tr_sl=en&_x_tr_tl=de&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=sc alternative you can make a ps (pdf2ps) and use pstops from psutils. hope that helps, I don't want to make landscape the default CUPS orientation. Atril rotates the display of the PDF, but not the content of the file in relation to the page when printed. The qpdfview utility also can rotate the display of text but when printed the effect is simply move text up on the page. I don't see how poppler-utils can be of help. How does one print a PDF with landscape orientattion? Isn't the page orientation used encoded in the pdf? To change it, other than by shrinking the page down so it fits on the paper in landscape orientation I think you would need to use a pdf editor to reflow the content. If you have a document or image that you are converting to a pdf then if you format the document or image landscape then the exported pdf will also be landscape. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] deb.devuan.org not reachable
Am 28.02.22 um 15:47 schrieb Anto via Dng: Hello Tito and Everybody, In all of my computers and servers (running Devuan of course), I previously also had issues accessing deb.devuan.org and some of its mirror servers. From what I had observed, the issue happened when the repositories used IPv6. So I included a file with the name of 00force-ipv4 in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d which contains the following line: Acquire::ForceIPv4 "true";r Since then I have never had any issue any more. Kind regards, Did not work for me, i tried also on commandline maybe because i use a proxy. after some failed experiemnts if found that changing squid.conf seems to work. i added dns_v4_first on seems to help but does not garantee ipv4 adresses. re Anto On 26/02/2022 14:50, tito via Dng wrote: On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 13:49:50 +0100 Radisson via Dng wrote: Am 24.02.22 um 18:35 schriebgoli...@devuan.org: On 2022-02-24 10:08, Radisson via Dng wrote: Hi List, i tried to update daedalus but i have problems to reach deb.devuan.org 101 network is unreachable. Is that expected ? what is the alternative ? re, pr You need to use http unless you choose a specific mirror that serves https. http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt Perhaps that's the problem? sorry for the delay .. no i have successfully installed last year, ntl i have checked again and is http. I am connected via a proxy (that was no problem before) When i try to reach that dev.devuan.org via browser i have the same problem and i get back a IPv6 address, maybe an ipv4-v6 issue ? I have no problem with pkgmaster.devuan.org (looking at mirror_list.txt). so the problem leaves me confused ... I picked fau.de from the mirror list and it seems to work, i guess it is an ipv4/6 issue somewhere in between. Is it possible that deb.devuan.org is reachable via IPv6 only ? re, Hi, there seem to be some IPV6 hosts: nslookup deb.devuan.org Server: 192.168.2.1 Address:192.168.2.1#53 Non-authoritative answer: deb.devuan.org canonical name = deb.rr.devuan.org. Name: deb.rr.devuan.org Address: 185.178.192.43 Name: deb.rr.devuan.org Address: 185.203.114.135 Name: deb.rr.devuan.org Address: 185.38.15.81 Name: deb.rr.devuan.org Address: 185.183.113.131 Name: deb.rr.devuan.org Address: 46.4.50.2 Name: deb.rr.devuan.org Address: 160.16.137.156 Name: deb.rr.devuan.org Address: 195.85.215.180 Name: deb.rr.devuan.org Address: 200.236.31.1 Name: deb.rr.devuan.org Address: 95.216.15.86 Name: deb.rr.devuan.org Address: 5.9.122.185 Name: deb.rr.devuan.org Address: 158.69.153.121 Name: deb.rr.devuan.org Address: 131.188.12.211 Name: deb.rr.devuan.org Address: 130.225.254.116 Name: deb.rr.devuan.org Address: 141.84.43.19 Name: deb.rr.devuan.org Address: 2001:4ca0:4300::1:19 Name: deb.rr.devuan.org Address: 2001:e42:102:1704:160:16:137:156 Name: deb.rr.devuan.org Address: 2a01:4f8:162:7293::14 Name: deb.rr.devuan.org Address: 2607:5300:61:95f:7283:11d9:f86:e691 Name: deb.rr.devuan.org Address: 2a02:2a38:1:400:422a:422a:422a:422a Name: deb.rr.devuan.org Address: 2001:638:a000:1021:21::1 Name: deb.rr.devuan.org Address: 2a0a:e5c0:2:2:400:c8ff:fe68:bef3 Name: deb.rr.devuan.org Address: 2a01:9e40::180 Name: deb.rr.devuan.org Address: 2a01:4f9:2a:fa9::2 Name: deb.rr.devuan.org Address: 2801:82:80ff:8000::2 Name: deb.rr.devuan.org Address: 2a01:4f8:140:1102:2b76:955d:b48f:bdf3 Name: deb.rr.devuan.org Address: 2001:878:346::116 but I'm able to reach with IPV4. Maybe your resolver cache? I've added this lines to my unbound.conf forward-zone: ##forward-first: yes name: "deb.devuan.org" #forward-tls-upstream: yes forward-addr: 8.8.4.4 forward-addr: 8.8.8.8 and this seems to have fixed issues I had with resolved addresses being to old. Hope this helps. Ciao, Tito ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] deb.devuan.org not reachable
Am 24.02.22 um 18:35 schrieb goli...@devuan.org: On 2022-02-24 10:08, Radisson via Dng wrote: Hi List, i tried to update daedalus but i have problems to reach deb.devuan.org 101 network is unreachable. Is that expected ? what is the alternative ? re, pr You need to use http unless you choose a specific mirror that serves https. http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt Perhaps that's the problem? sorry for the delay .. no i have successfully installed last year, ntl i have checked again and is http. I am connected via a proxy (that was no problem before) When i try to reach that dev.devuan.org via browser i have the same problem and i get back a IPv6 address, maybe an ipv4-v6 issue ? I have no problem with pkgmaster.devuan.org (looking at mirror_list.txt). so the problem leaves me confused ... I picked fau.de from the mirror list and it seems to work, i guess it is an ipv4/6 issue somewhere in between. Is it possible that deb.devuan.org is reachable via IPv6 only ? re, ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] deb.devuan.org not reachable
Hi List, i tried to update daedalus but i have problems to reach deb.devuan.org 101 network is unreachable. Is that expected ? what is the alternative ? re, pr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Install Daedalus
Am 08.02.22 um 17:39 schrieb Ismael L. Donis Garcia: When installing the devuan_daedalus_5.0.preview-20220207_amd64_server.iso file do I get a graphical linux installation or only console? I recently installed an older version and got a non-graphical installation as a result, also it didn't allow me to mount an NTFS partition during the installation, only using the installation disk since I don't have Internet access on the PC where I am going to mount it The server installation is ascii only to say so. This is the minimum required, from here you can install what you need. That is my strategy, at least. Best Regards -- Ismael Devuan User: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=devuan Web Site: http://www.sisconge.byethost15.com/ https://gitlab.uic.cu/ismael.donis/sistema-de-contabilidad-general/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Installing on a Raspberry or a Banana?
Am 07.02.22 um 22:26 schrieb d...@d404.nl: On 07-02-2022 22:17, Antony Stone wrote: On Monday 07 February 2022 at 22:14:32, d...@d404.nl wrote: On 07-02-2022 22:03, Antony Stone wrote: I want to install Devuan on a Raspberry Pi Zero W, and also on a Banana Pi R1. Last time I needed an RPi image I used this link https://arm-files.devuan.org/ Oh! Thanks - I didn't spot this linked from any of the "download" or "how to install" pages I looked at. Antony. I did bookmark this link some time ago so I do not know if it is anywhere linked on the site. Golinux maybe? No idea who can fix that but it should be done. Someone took to work to make an embedded version and now users can not find it ? re Grtz. Nick ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] new firefox-esr buggy?
Am 16.12.21 um 16:00 schrieb Haines Brown: A recent upgrade installed the new version of Firefox: 78.15.0esr. It was released on 5 Oct 2021. It has a very annoying behavior and I wonder if others experience it. I have torbrowser installed. It works fine, and so I don't think it is a problem with X window system. I purged Firefox and reinstalled it with no custsomization, and it still showed the behavior. So it seems part of the Firefox release itself. The behavior is hard to describe. When I scoll text up or down by using the arrow keys, the lines of text begin to break up and become unreadable until they settle about one second after the scroll ends. Actually it is thin horizontal white lines less than a cm wide that last a second. Nowhere else do I have this problem with scrolling. Another symptom: when the cursor is moved to or away from the scroll bar, the grey scrollbar is broken into a vertical set of grey and light grey lines for about a second. When I drag the scrollbar to scroll text, text and images are broken up by horizontal white linees for a about a second. In a colored image these lines can be colors from the image. Sounds like a bug with the refreshing. Does anything change when you cover the area temparly with an other window ? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases
Am 19.11.21 um 12:29 schrieb Peter Duffy: I've recently been asked to recommend an upgrade route for a number of linux servers, and I proposed going to devuan. In response, I've had a concern raised which took me by surprise. It was suggested that in the future, it may not be possible to find staff who have the skills to administer and manage servers running non-systemd or pre-systemd distros/releases. FUD, i do unix since 25 year and if your sysadmin is not capable the manage a few scripts whats that ? From my point of view is systemd a still developing target, that no one really understands. The whole point of having a sysadmin is to fix things if things do not go to plan. I know, Management likes to hire young ppl with no experience that have no experience. They are dead soon as there beloved GFX stop working. It is hard to argue with pple that do not understand the difference between an operation system and an application. CU https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=go%20away%20or%20I%20will%20replace%20you%20with%20a%20simple%20shell%20script I've tried to give reassurance - but I'm still wondering if this could be a valid concern. I'd always taken the view that it's primarily the linux sysadmin community which is trying to stop the onslaught of the systemd juggernaut - but obviously, the greater the proportion of servers running systemd-based distros/releases, the less staff get exposed to non-systemd management techniques and tools. I'd be grateful for thoughts and comments. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Results of Chimaera Test
Hi everyone, i found no place where to report success stories with Chimaera. So here are my setup tyan S5120 with sata+scsi (yes,really) works fine, i have started with the server edition, so far no problems. Exept proftpd that needs systemd stuff (where to report ?) CU ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Strange browser home
firefox has the idea to check if some other instance is running and use that instead. That causes some wired behavior. try firefox --no-remote Am 19.05.21 um 14:47 schrieb Hendrik Boom: I ssh -X from my laptop (midwinter) to my server, april. On april I start a browser. Of course it displays on my laptop because of the -X, I navigate to my home directory (I have one on each machine) When I do this with chromium I get my home directory on april, as expected. When I do it with firefox-esr, I get my home directory on midwinter, my laptop. Evidently starting firefox-esr on april manages to actually start it on midwinter... How can it so this? How does it even know to do this? It's clearly more efficient if I want to look at files on the world-wide web. But not what I want if I want to examine files on the server. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] install in private partition scheme ?
thx, i have figured out after some discussion and tried yesterday with success :) After that random work i would suggest to add a mechanism to allow a free partition scheme. IMHO everything is already there. hope that helps, rad Am 04.02.21 um 19:24 schrieb fsmithred via Dng: On 2/3/21 4:43 PM, Radisson via Dng wrote: Am 03.02.21 um 02:59 schrieb fsmithred via Dng: You can have a separate /home or /boot, but if you want to re-use an old /home partition, you must do that manually after the install. I would like to setup a server, with separate /var and raid and so on. The box i use for testing is clean, no need to be careful. What is the recomended way to create a complex setup and install ? It seems that the way via USB stick is not the right idea. The usb stick is not the problem. The live installer won't do what you want. Use one of the installer isos - netinstall or server iso are best choices for what you want, but even the desktop dvd will do it. fsmithred ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] install in private partition scheme ?
Am 03.02.21 um 02:59 schrieb fsmithred via Dng: On 2/2/21 7:48 PM, Gregory Nowak via Dng wrote: On Tue, Feb 02, 2021 at 04:57:35PM +0100, rad via Dng wrote: The programm calls refrectinstaller-wrapper.sh OK, it sounds like you're using Refracta, which is another distribution based on devuan. so what program should i start from the USB-stick ? Sorry I tuned into this so late. I would guess that rad is using the desktop-live iso, which does use refractainstaller. rad, what partition layout did you want? What do you mean by "private partition"? The installer on the live isos just copies the running live system to hard drive. Take a look at the install guide (also on the desktop). There's a help page you can access from inside the installer. It says i should use gparted to make partitions. You can have a separate /home or /boot, but if you want to re-use an old /home partition, you must do that manually after the install. I would like to setup a server, with separate /var and raid and so on. The box i use for testing is clean, no need to be careful. What is the recomended way to create a complex setup and install ? It seems that the way via USB stick is not the right idea. CU fsmithred ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] install in private partition scheme ?
Hello list, i have installed beowulf from USB-Stick. I worked so far but my private partition setup was ignored. The /etc/fstab was not created, resulting an installation into /. Is this expected or did i miss an option somewhere ?? CU ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
