Re: [DNG] Please provide systemd-free libreswan package
On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 5:50 PM, Didier Kryn <k...@in2p3.fr> wrote: > Le 15/11/2017 à 16:21, KatolaZ a écrit : >> >> On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 04:14:37PM +0100, John Hughes wrote: >>> >>> On 15/11/17 15:30, Sam Protsenko wrote: >>>> >>>> Recently "libreswan" package was added to Debian: [1]. But it only >>>> contains systemd init script and lacks sysvinit script. Corresponding >>>> bug was reported to Debian bug tracking system: [2]. But libreswan >>>> maintainer refuses to include sysvinit script to his package >>> >>> What Daniel Kahn Gillmor actually said was: >>> >>>> If anyone wants to propose specific patches to the debian packaging to >>>> either have the main libreswan package automatically support sysvinit >>>> (or any other initsystem) or produce a libreswan-sysvinit (or >>>> libreswan-runit, etc) binary package, and that the patch author >>>> volunteers to help test and maintain that system integration work over >>>> time, i'd be open to reviewing and incorporating reasonable changes into >>>> the debian packaging. >>> >>> Which seems pretty reasonable to me. >>> >>> >> So it would be better if Sam Protsenko offered to help the Debian >> maintainer in including and testing the scripts for sysvinit. >> > Apparently Kahn Gillmor requires more: he requires the commitment of a > person as a quasi-maintainer to do the job of maintaining the init scripts > for the package on the long term. This means Debian maintainers are no > longer in charge of maintaining init files other than systemd's. I doubt we > could see one of these maintainers accept to maintain sysvinit scripts and > ask the users to take care themself of maintaining systemd init files. > Yes, I tend to agree with you. Good news is, as I said earlier, sysvinit script from upstream libreswan works just fine. I doubt it'll take some hard work to maintain it. More like desire :) > Didier > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Please provide systemd-free libreswan package
On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 5:21 PM, KatolaZ <kato...@freaknet.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 04:14:37PM +0100, John Hughes wrote:
>> On 15/11/17 15:30, Sam Protsenko wrote:
>> >Recently "libreswan" package was added to Debian: [1]. But it only
>> >contains systemd init script and lacks sysvinit script. Corresponding
>> >bug was reported to Debian bug tracking system: [2]. But libreswan
>> >maintainer refuses to include sysvinit script to his package
>> What Daniel Kahn Gillmor actually said was:
>>
>> >If anyone wants to propose specific patches to the debian packaging to
>> >either have the main libreswan package automatically support sysvinit
>> >(or any other initsystem) or produce a libreswan-sysvinit (or
>> >libreswan-runit, etc) binary package, and that the patch author
>> >volunteers to help test and maintain that system integration work over
>> >time, i'd be open to reviewing and incorporating reasonable changes into
>> >the debian packaging.
>>
>> Which seems pretty reasonable to me.
>>
>>
>
> So it would be better if Sam Protsenko offered to help the Debian
> maintainer in including and testing the scripts for sysvinit.
>
I just did. Let's hope Daniel will agree on that. I'd prefer to keep
it in Debian ("upstream" package) and not bother Devuan maintainers.
Otherwise I probably can offer some help here (if needed).
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[DNG] Please provide systemd-free libreswan package
Hi, Can you please provide libreswan package with sysvinit integration in Devuan? Recently "libreswan" package was added to Debian: [1]. But it only contains systemd init script and lacks sysvinit script. Corresponding bug was reported to Debian bug tracking system: [2]. But libreswan maintainer refuses to include sysvinit script to his package (although it exists in upstream libreswan). His excuse (from [3]) is that sysvinit script is untested. From my POV it's pretty lame, as it's supported in upstream. Also, I tested it on my PC and it works just fine. Here is the way I added sysvinit script on top of installed Debian libreswan package. - sysvinit script can be generated when doing "make deb" in upstream libreswan source code dir ([4]); copy that script to /etc/init.d/ - run "update-rc.d ipsec defaults" to generate links - now you can do "service ipsec start/stop/restart" (and it works just fine) - also I regenerated Debian package: - removed "--with systemd" from debian/rules - removed systemd dependencies from debian/control Can someone please look into it? Thanks! P.S. Not sure that feature requests belong here, so if I'm wrong about this, please point me out to correct place. [1] https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libreswan [2] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=855653 [3] https://anonscm.debian.org/git/collab-maint/libreswan.git/tree/debian/TODO [4] https://github.com/libreswan/libreswan ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [Kali Linux 0003165]: Find a way to disable most services by default with systemd
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 23:06:24 +0200 Jaromil <jaro...@dyne.org> wrote: > > Mostly for historical reasons, I'm posting here below the trace of a > Kali Linux bug that has just been deleted from their tracker. > > Forensic distros are useful for many reasons. When minimal they can be > also more reliable, I guess most people here convenes. So now I'm > trying to get the Parrot OS developers interested in having a spin > based on Devuan, with no success. Unfortunately Their parrot-build > scripts are admittedly still incomplete to reproduce a release. > > Anyone here has a strong (perhaps professional, hence sustainable) > interest in a forensic distro without systemd? > YES! I've previously tried a number of the available forensic Linux options, but I succeded in breaking every one of them when I tried to gut them of their systemd payloads. I'd really love a Devuan-based forensic suite, or even something like Whonix but without the systemd cruft. Alas, my interest is not presently a professionally-motivated or directed one (though that may change soon enough, stranger things may happen and all that), however I would greatly appreciate having a non-systemd castrated (and in particular Devuan) forensic distro in my toolbox which I have thoroughly tested and deployed prior to that happening. How shall we make it so? --Sam > - Forwarded message from Kali Linux Bug Tracker > <nore...@kali.org> - > > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 20:59:28 +0100 > From: Kali Linux Bug Tracker <nore...@kali.org> > To: jaro...@dyne.org > Subject: [Kali Linux 0003165]: Find a way to disable most services by > default with systemd > > > The following issue has been DELETED. > == > Reported By:newhack > Assigned To:rhertzog > == > Project:Kali Linux > Issue ID: 3165 > Category: Kali Package Bug > Reproducibility:always > Severity: minor > Priority: normal > Status: resolved > Target Version: 2.0 > Resolution: fixed > Fixed in Version: 2016.2 > == > Date Submitted: 2016-03-17 06:26 GMT > Last Modified: 2016-03-17 06:26 GMT > == > Summary:Find a way to disable most services by > default with systemd > Description: > Kali forks update-rc.d to disable most services that depend on > $network to avoid having services be accessible without any admin > configuration. > > Kali Rolling switched to systemd and the hack in update-rc.d is now > mostly useless. We must find a new solution for this. > == > > -- > (0004946) rhertzog (administrator) - 2014-12-08 14:25 > https://bugs.kali.org/view.php?id=3165#c4946 > -- > It looks like that the proper answer is using a "preset" file: > http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Preset/ > > This answers at least how to not enable services by default. But it > doesn't answer how to not start any service in "forensic" mode. This > is probably implemented with a different "target" at boot time. > > -- > (0004945) rhertzog (administrator) - 2014-12-09 09:10 > https://bugs.kali.org/view.php?id=3165#c4945 > -- > Unfortunately, it looks like we can't use Preset file in Debian > currently. I just filed a bug about this: > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=772555 > > -- > (0004947) rhertzog (administrator) - 2015-03-25 06:05 > https://bugs.kali.org/view.php?id=3165#c4947 > -- > It looks like most of the services are still properly disabled thanks > to some systemd/update-rc.d integration. But there are corner cases > when the packages ships a .service file that does not have the same > name as the init script. > > I just filed http://bugs.debian.org/781155 on openbsd-inetd for > example. And also the update-rc.d integration with systemd is > somewhat problematic: http://bugs.debia
Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism
On 07/11/15 20:53, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 07/11/2015 11:02, dev1fan...@use.startmail.com a écrit : >> All that info is right as far as I can tell. >> >> gcc versions from /proc/version are labelled as debian for me too. >> > > The kernel remembers who has compiled it, when, and where. If you > compile it yourself you'll be pleased to see your username in > /proc/version. You can also add some tag to the kernel version It is > also possible to add some tag to the version of gcc if you compile it > yourself, and it will appear when you invoke 'gcc --version'. > > As long as Devuan keeps Debian packages for kernel and gcc, you're > going to see that they have been compiled by Debian devs. And Devuan, > for the moment only modifies packages which need to, in order to get rid > of systemd dependency. This does not involve gcc, and not yet the kernel. > > Didier > Thanks Didier, for the advice and especially for setting me straight on this matter. I should have realised this before I raised it as a quirk or an issue; I've compiled many, many custom kernels, so I should have been well-aware of the process and the tweaks that are possible - and having played with that one in particular when customising and compiling kernels off-platform for the particular idiosyncrasies of the eventual host systems, I should have been more attentive to this. Thanks especially for dignifying my input into the discussion with your response. Sam ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 04/11/15 07:21, dev1fan...@use.startmail.com wrote: > Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring > minimalism. > > There are a lot of people talking about minimalism in Devuan and > some may be wondering if they can upgrade to Devuan. The answer is > yes, you can upgrade to Devuan right now and expect it to work > with few if any problems in the stable branch - which is not yet > announced stable but is clearly a lot better than alpha quality as > you might have heard mentioned on devuan.org. I am currently > putting in a little research before writing a more full guide to > upgrading, installing and getting more minimalism out of Devuan. > Hopefully I will be starting a wiki for all this info and more to > go into in the near future, but for now I want to just put it out > there for people trying to upgrade their current system or get > more minimalism in their system. > > Let's get started. > > > 1) Upgrading Debian to Devuan Stable (aka Jessie 1.0) > > You can upgrade to Devuan Jessie 1.0 from either Debian Wheezy or > from Debian Jessie. For other branches you are on your own for > now, and I suggest avoiding upgrades to Devuan testing (ascii) for > now until after the official stable release. ... Hello dev1fanboy, and everyone else. This is just an F.Y.I. I'd like to let you know that I've just carried out what so far appears to be a successful Debian -> Devuan conversion. You prudently advised that the upgrade/transformation/conversion should be from either Debian Wheezy or Jessie, and that was for very good reason. However, my Debian system was of the Stretch/Sid flavour: /etc/debian_version stretch/sid /proc/version Linux version 4.1.0-2-rt-amd64 (debian-ker...@lists.debian.org) (gcc version 4.9.3 (Debian 4.9.3-3) ) #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 4.1.6-1 (2015-08-23) Alas, I am far too impatient, impetuous and imprudent to methodically downgrade my system to the appropriate level before I attempted such a foolish thing, so I proceeded regardless. I even went so far as to configure minimalism in the system as you suggested, and that almost went off without a hitch. I say almost, because in the process my nvidia graphics driver and kernel module were trashed. But reinstating those was in principle easy owing to the brilliant SGFXI script, however I did need to re-boot (sorry KatolaZ) into a non-real-time pre-emptive kernel (i.e. non -rt-) otherwise the the sgfxi script complained and barfed. I can provide more detail if you're curious, but for the minute, I just wanted to thank you for your exceptionally clear and prescriptive instructions and perhaps to say that, if one is as brave or foolish as I am, it is eminently possible to jump across to Devuan from Debian Stretch/Sid by following your guide. Cheers, Sam p.s. there is (at least?) one annoying relic of the old Debian system lingering on my new Devuan OS, however: /etc/debian_version still says stretch/sid, and /proc/version now says: Linux version 3.16.0-4-amd64 (debian-ker...@lists.debian.org) (gcc version 4.8.4 (Debian 4.8.4-1) ) #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u3 (2015-08-04) Is my triumphant declaration of success premature? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJWPXpkAAoJEC0e31KgXFCJ21kP/iyRKjrNB5RJUlRnx4sN/GFY ABdeIIdWuEgrrUrKW83wKA1+KCUPOMUdRwezNDtCBSBic45Pzk6QTaeYEK6Y4Y0g Cx3OzjRE0u7aTtW/amYq1tZ9r+TcuebjA4R7CL07DpTzb/v5Se4ugI2VaHXBLZpC 7gCy/Ue0S7gub+wHJYj1QgJOwZSMIwYDpVDBf9Xvp9rCBqiDaB8JoWPWhZCAocs4 ECKp0ydA3PDpN3l+oTbZ9PIhRf2CycX9IKpfKuw4Ce2WInIE+qMdlUd2oEP7odGd KXpc95kTbLc9YyUuOuzeM9265O/v9rTyJmIq7Wt0wKoB74WcpLTbIq8xuTfLrBut 6W9sorrq+eZS9uNsjlpukCeWQQwGkq8RfsMngOiiJOaPMw1oPD70+zJcpJZbcEfV 1gLaGl91lJeYNlhLPnvWQYAO/q60ht8mRVsz1ns0OHzcqlHB3vifbZaCe81zll4U 2Y2UFAdbYDK10+ycr/LKVVju0AIDi3mI23hXZKQoaW1wAwkWMQ3NnDhozlr7glah Xn3j7U97+ItAAW5oIJGfSPOoGEpVwN+UVaOiJB6eydCo2BNTX5WBxFt6SM54wOUf hafb52INmiqtGRyfhO1z+4xuTiRgQE3vfR1IOs/4Ug4rWwQUHfzYgLa4kNz4SNaS rW7bxgm2Y/uWqNA5sjrv =g1He -END PGP SIGNATURE- 0xA05C5089.asc Description: application/pgp-keys ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism
On 07/11/15 20:32, dev1fan...@use.startmail.com wrote: > All that info is right as far as I can tell. > > gcc versions from /proc/version are labelled as debian for me too. > > Try cat /etc/devuan_version > > Also try switching to the stock 4.x kernel that comes with testing, you > can do it by installing linux-image-amd64 package which I guess you > don't have. Watch carefully the output though, I managed to mess up my > testing system that way because I didn't notice it wanted to remove > things, which was due to dependencies not having the right version yet > which I think is happening occasionally. > > But it looks like you migrated properly :-) > > There's probably several solutions somewhere to purge old configuration > files for packages already removed, or maybe /etc/debian_version should > be there too idk. Thanks dev1fanboy I've responded to Didier about these matters you bring to my attention, but I should have responded specifically to you too. I appreciate your advice and apologise for burdening you with matters that I was already aware of. I should have thought about it a little more before flagging it as an anomaly. >> Hello dev1fanboy, and everyone else. >> >> This is just an F.Y.I. I'd like to let you know that I've just carried >> out what so far appears to be a successful Debian -> Devuan >> conversion. You prudently advised that the >> upgrade/transformation/conversion should be from either Debian Wheezy >> or Jessie, and that was for very good reason. However, my Debian >> system was of the Stretch/Sid flavour: >> >> /etc/debian_version >> stretch/sid >> >> /proc/version >> Linux version 4.1.0-2-rt-amd64 (debian-ker...@lists.debian.org) (gcc >> version 4.9.3 (Debian 4.9.3-3) ) #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 4.1.6-1 >> (2015-08-23) >> >> Alas, I am far too impatient, impetuous and imprudent to methodically >> downgrade my system to the appropriate level before I attempted such a >> foolish thing, so I proceeded regardless. I even went so far as to >> configure minimalism in the system as you suggested, and that almost >> went off without a hitch. I say almost, because in the process my >> nvidia graphics driver and kernel module were trashed. But reinstating >> those was in principle easy owing to the brilliant SGFXI script, >> however I did need to re-boot (sorry KatolaZ) into a non-real-time >> pre-emptive kernel (i.e. non -rt-) otherwise the the sgfxi script >> complained and barfed. >> >> I can provide more detail if you're curious, but for the minute, I >> just wanted to thank you for your exceptionally clear and prescriptive >> instructions and perhaps to say that, if one is as brave or foolish as >> I am, it is eminently possible to jump across to Devuan from Debian >> Stretch/Sid by following your guide. >> >> Cheers, >> Sam >> >> >> p.s. there is (at least?) one annoying relic of the old Debian system >> lingering on my new Devuan OS, however: /etc/debian_version still says >> stretch/sid, and /proc/version now says: >> >> Linux version 3.16.0-4-amd64 (debian-ker...@lists.debian.org) (gcc >> version 4.8.4 (Debian 4.8.4-1) ) #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u3 >> (2015-08-04) >> >> Is my triumphant declaration of success premature? >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Dng mailing list >> Dng@lists.dyne.org >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism
On 07/11/15 20:49, Jaromil wrote: > Dear Sam, > > On November 7, 2015 7:07:22 AM GMT+01:00, Sam >> Thanks again, but I fear that when folks on the other side of the world >> wake up and read about these exploits, I'll be given a stern dressing >> down for brazenly and recklessly mucking-up the stable/testing/unstable >> canon... > > such an attitude will find no place in this > camp, for we are all here in mutual respect > of the many different things we like to do > with our computers, not to be told what > > Thanks for sharing your adventures > > indeed the kernel is still Debian's > we have no plans nor need to substitute > that with our own build ATM > > but won't be a problem if needed > (For instance removing kdbus) > > Ciao > Hello Jaromil I'll keep messing around with it all to see what works and what breaks, and I'll let you know what I've found. It's not much of a contribution, I suppose, in particular with respect to the sterling efforts and high-minded goals of the devuan project, but it's as much as someone with the meagre capabilities as I possess can offer to your excellent endeavour. Sam ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism
On 07/11/15 15:23, Go Linux wrote: > > > On Fri, 11/6/15, Sam <d...@peppe.neomailbox.net> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring > minimalism > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > Date: Friday, November 6, 2015, 11:17 PM > > [snip] > >> But reinstating those was in principle easy owing to the brilliant SGFXI >> script, > > [snip] > > Congrats! > > Yes, SGFXI is amazing! I used it frequently before I moved to on-board > graphics on this newer board. > > golinux > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > Thank you! > Yes, SGFXI is amazing! I used it frequently before I moved to > on-board graphics on this newer board. Indeed. I've used it a handful of times over the years (since about 2006, when it was provided simply as smxi) for both NVidia and ATI/AMD graphics subsystems, and compared to the alternative manual approach which involved all kinds of jiggery-pokery as well as the sacrifice of small animals and other votive offerings to the gods for the miracle of transubstantiation, SGFXI is a peach. But we digress, by just a little perhaps. I'd like to reiterate how clear and concise dev1fanboy's instructions are, and that so far it appears it is indeed possible to convert from Debian Stretch/Sid to Devuan. What has been conspicuous by its absence I suppose is the detail about my original system. For instance, I've made no mention of the fact that the original (and present) system does not make use of any of the GNOME, KDE, XFCE, nor LXDE classes of desktop environment. I've always only used either OpenBox or FluxBox with XDM as the display manager, or no desktop environment and display manager at all. Besides these, I've never been able to endure anything else for very long at all before reverting back to the venerable terminal. If more information, or if the detailed step-by-step log of my approach is needed (it would be somewhat redundant however as I followed dev1fanboys's recipe fairly closely and simply peppered the directives with my own diagnostic probings here or there), I mention this as a caveat for anyone else considering a reckless approach such as mine. So, as it was from the outset, YMMV. Sam ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism
On 07/11/15 15:23, Go Linux wrote: > > > On Fri, 11/6/15, Sam <d...@peppe.neomailbox.net> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring > minimalism > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > Date: Friday, November 6, 2015, 11:17 PM > > [snip] > >> But reinstating those was in principle easy owing to the brilliant SGFXI >> script, > > [snip] > > Congrats! > > Yes, SGFXI is amazing! I used it frequently before I moved to on-board > graphics on this newer board. > > golinux > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > Thanks again, but I fear that when folks on the other side of the world wake up and read about these exploits, I'll be given a stern dressing down for brazenly and recklessly mucking-up the stable/testing/unstable canon... Sam ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism
On 04/11/15 07:21, dev1fan...@use.startmail.com wrote: > Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring > minimalism. > > There are a lot of people talking about minimalism in Devuan and > some may be wondering if they can upgrade to Devuan. The answer is > yes, you can upgrade to Devuan right now and expect it to work > with few if any problems in the stable branch - which is not yet > announced stable but is clearly a lot better than alpha quality as > you might have heard mentioned on devuan.org. I am currently > putting in a little research before writing a more full guide to > upgrading, installing and getting more minimalism out of Devuan. > Hopefully I will be starting a wiki for all this info and more to > go into in the near future, but for now I want to just put it out > there for people trying to upgrade their current system or get > more minimalism in their system. > > Let's get started. > > > 1) Upgrading Debian to Devuan Stable (aka Jessie 1.0) > > You can upgrade to Devuan Jessie 1.0 from either Debian Wheezy or > from Debian Jessie. For other branches you are on your own for > now, and I suggest avoiding upgrades to Devuan testing (ascii) for > now until after the official stable release. ... Hello dev1fanboy, and everyone else. This is just an F.Y.I. I'd like to let you know that I've just carried out what so far appears to be a successful Debian -> Devuan conversion. You prudently advised that the upgrade/transformation/conversion should be from either Debian Wheezy or Jessie, and that was for very good reason. However, my Debian system was of the Stretch/Sid flavour: /etc/debian_version stretch/sid /proc/version Linux version 4.1.0-2-rt-amd64 (debian-ker...@lists.debian.org) (gcc version 4.9.3 (Debian 4.9.3-3) ) #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 4.1.6-1 (2015-08-23) Alas, I am far too impatient, impetuous and imprudent to methodically downgrade my system to the appropriate level before I attempted such a foolish thing, so I proceeded regardless. I even went so far as to configure minimalism in the system as you suggested, and that almost went off without a hitch. I say almost, because in the process my nvidia graphics driver and kernel module were trashed. But reinstating those was in principle easy owing to the brilliant SGFXI script, however I did need to re-boot (sorry KatolaZ) into a non-real-time pre-emptive kernel (i.e. non -rt-) otherwise the the sgfxi script complained and barfed. I can provide more detail if you're curious, but for the minute, I just wanted to thank you for your exceptionally clear and prescriptive instructions and perhaps to say that, if one is as brave or foolish as I am, it is eminently possible to jump across to Devuan from Debian Stretch/Sid by following your guide. Cheers, Sam p.s. there is (at least?) one annoying relic of the old Debian system lingering on my new Devuan OS, however: /etc/debian_version still says stretch/sid, and /proc/version now says: Linux version 3.16.0-4-amd64 (debian-ker...@lists.debian.org) (gcc version 4.8.4 (Debian 4.8.4-1) ) #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u3 (2015-08-04) Is my triumphant declaration of success premature? 0xA05C5089.asc Description: application/pgp-keys ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] hplip package status
Hi guys, First of all I want to thank you for developing Devuan, which brings back true modularity of Debian (the main reason why I'm using it in the first place). Now to the actual question. I'm using Debian testing and until recently I was able to avoid having systemd package in my system. But then I was needed to install "hplip" package (software for my HP printer), which depends on systemd with next dependency chain: hplip -> policykit-1 -> libpam-systemd -> systemd I'm wondering if this issue (hplip dependance on systemd) is resolved in Devuan, and if so -- how exactly? Thanks! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] hplip package status
Jaromil, Thank you for detailed explanation. This issue with systemd dependency of hplip is one that was bugging me most of all. I will consider moving to Devuan, since it's fixed there. On 10/21/2015 07:10 PM, Jaromil wrote: > dear Sam, > > we change the deps of policykit-1 > > https://git.devuan.org/packages-base/policykit-1/blob/master/debian/control > > the commit history has too much info > as the autobuild also reports there from > Jenkins, however the modification > needed is very minimal and in this case > was made by an early contributor Dmitri > > > our general approach is to modify as little > as possible and as close as possible to > the source of the problem. in this case > obviously is not about modifying hplip > but directly policykit which affects many > more packages. > > ciao > > On October 21, 2015 6:01:29 PM GMT+02:00, Sam Protsenko <joe.s...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> Hi guys, >> >> First of all I want to thank you for developing Devuan, which brings >> back true >> modularity of Debian (the main reason why I'm using it in the first >> place). >> Now to the actual question. >> >> I'm using Debian testing and until recently I was able to avoid having >> systemd >> package in my system. But then I was needed to install "hplip" package >> (software >> for my HP printer), which depends on systemd with next dependency >> chain: >> >>hplip -> policykit-1 -> libpam-systemd -> systemd >> >> I'm wondering if this issue (hplip dependance on systemd) is resolved >> in Devuan, >> and if so -- how exactly? >> >> Thanks! >> ___ >> Dng mailing list >> Dng@lists.dyne.org >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
