Re: [DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete
On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 10:15:54PM -0800, Jimmy Johnson wrote: [cut] > > > Ignore the above post. It was a fluke, I've tested two more systems with no > problem running anything after I su to root and that's a good thing. :) > > Thanks, Thanks a lot Jimmy. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete
On 11/22/18 11:36 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 11/19/18 3:17 AM, KatolaZ wrote: Hi All, in the last few days we have seen many people going at lengths with the pros and cons of a non-merged usr. That has been a great discussion. We have put together a solution that consists into choosing if you want merged-usr at install time. It's available in the current unstable installer: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/unstable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso It would be great for the vocal support against usr-merge to become a concrete piece of help to maintaining choice in Devuan. So if you care, please install beowulf/ceres using the mini.iso above and help testing all the possible scenarios of non-merged /usr, to discover any potential issue/breakage there. Note: the mini.iso is a barebone netinst, and tasksel does not currently work (I am on that). The "Package selection" step will fail. Just skip it, continue with the installation, and then install stuff with apt-get after reboot. Please report bugs on https://bugs.devuan.org. We are currently upgrading many packages in unstable, including reportbug, so either use the reportbug version from ascii or just use reportbug to prepare the report and then send the email it creates to submit[at]bugs.devuan.org Your help is very welcome. HND KatolaZ I'm just a user and not sure about the discussion. But if this has something to do with permissions, well I'm used to su to root and do what ever I want to do. Things have changed, now I need to sudo to run 'upgrade-system', it does a dist-upgrade and runs deborphan with the one command. But I can still su and run aptitude. On this system fully upgraded and cleaned today. Ignore the above post. It was a fluke, I've tested two more systems with no problem running anything after I su to root and that's a good thing. :) Thanks, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Ceres - Trinity R14.0.6 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda8 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete
On 2018-11-19 10:08 a.m., KatolaZ wrote: We are not saying we will ask the question to all the users. The "knob" will be probably available only in expert install, once we are sure that there are no major issues there, and the default will most probably be non-merged-usr. For testing purposes it makes sense to keep the question there, anyway. Any help with testing stuff that might break in a non-merged /usr environment would be helpful. My2Cents KatolaZ P.S.: I am not so sure about the "unmerge" being so difficult, to be honest, but I might be wrong... Well I'm just reporting in that I did a couple of Beowulf XFCE installs on a spare hard drive, merged and unmerged. AMD64 A10-18650. Everything seemed to go ok in both cases and other than polkit problems, I think I could have swapped either out for my desktop ascii system. When I hit the merge/unmerge question on the expert install, knowing what to expect, it was straight forward, but I have to agree with Adam Borowski, for a "normally" running system the question is unnecessary at least at this point in history. If I picture myself a couple of decades ago faced with such a question on a Debian text install, I can feel the stunned, questioning, heated panic coming back, "a deer in the headlights" if you will. So keep the knobs for the knobs in the expert install, no need to startle the new folks making the step to Devuan. Clarke PS. BTW thanks for putting together the mini.iso, it is a convenient way to try things out. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete
On 11/19/18 3:17 AM, KatolaZ wrote: Hi All, in the last few days we have seen many people going at lengths with the pros and cons of a non-merged usr. That has been a great discussion. We have put together a solution that consists into choosing if you want merged-usr at install time. It's available in the current unstable installer: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/unstable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso It would be great for the vocal support against usr-merge to become a concrete piece of help to maintaining choice in Devuan. So if you care, please install beowulf/ceres using the mini.iso above and help testing all the possible scenarios of non-merged /usr, to discover any potential issue/breakage there. Note: the mini.iso is a barebone netinst, and tasksel does not currently work (I am on that). The "Package selection" step will fail. Just skip it, continue with the installation, and then install stuff with apt-get after reboot. Please report bugs on https://bugs.devuan.org. We are currently upgrading many packages in unstable, including reportbug, so either use the reportbug version from ascii or just use reportbug to prepare the report and then send the email it creates to submit[at]bugs.devuan.org Your help is very welcome. HND KatolaZ I'm just a user and not sure about the discussion. But if this has something to do with permissions, well I'm used to su to root and do what ever I want to do. Things have changed, now I need to sudo to run 'upgrade-system', it does a dist-upgrade and runs deborphan with the one command. But I can still su and run aptitude. On this system fully upgraded and cleaned today. -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Ceres - Trinity R14.0.6 - Intel T5250 - GM965/GL960 - EXT4 at sda7 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete
On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 03:16:07PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: [cut] > > But you wanted us to test the installer. The installer must have a > working tasksel to not bomb out on that one step, right? Steve, the mini.iso is a netinst. It downloads almost everything from the net, including tasksel, which is one of the components of debian-installer. I tried it yesterday, and it works perfectly. I am not asking you to try the installer: I would like as many people as possible to report problems with the choice of merged-usr/non-merged-usr in unstable/beowulf. > > As far as the other problems I reported, in the next few days I'll > apt-get upgrade my VM to see if I can run lxde, xfce, lxqt and friends. > Please consider that Beowulf is still under working, and most of the desktop stuff is still to be fixed (in terms of policykit and friends), so for instance you will not have any button to suspend/reboot/shutdown. Please just focus on issues related to the merged-usr/non-merged-usr setup at this point. Thanks KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete
On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 21:07:57 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 02:46:43PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 07:40:49 +0100 > > KatolaZ wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 12:17:45PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > > > > > > [cut] > > > > > > > > > > > Note: the mini.iso is a barebone netinst, and tasksel does not > > > > currently work (I am on that). The "Package selection" step will > > > > fail. Just skip it, continue with the installation, and then > > > > install stuff with apt-get after reboot. > > > > > > > > > > Just to let you know that tasksel has now been fixed in unstable > > > and beowulf, so the "Package selection" step should run smoothly. > > > > > > My2Cents > > > > > > KatolaZ > > > > > > Is there an updated mini.iso to celbrate that fact? > > > > No need. You can use the same. Tasksel is downloaded after the bsae > system is installed. But you wanted us to test the installer. The installer must have a working tasksel to not bomb out on that one step, right? As far as the other problems I reported, in the next few days I'll apt-get upgrade my VM to see if I can run lxde, xfce, lxqt and friends. Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt November 2018 featured book: Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting Brand new, second edition http://www.troubleshooters.com/mgr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete
On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 02:46:43PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 07:40:49 +0100 > KatolaZ wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 12:17:45PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > > > > [cut] > > > > > > > > Note: the mini.iso is a barebone netinst, and tasksel does not > > > currently work (I am on that). The "Package selection" step will > > > fail. Just skip it, continue with the installation, and then install > > > stuff with apt-get after reboot. > > > > > > > Just to let you know that tasksel has now been fixed in unstable and > > beowulf, so the "Package selection" step should run smoothly. > > > > My2Cents > > > > KatolaZ > > > Is there an updated mini.iso to celbrate that fact? > No need. You can use the same. Tasksel is downloaded after the bsae system is installed. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete
On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 07:40:49 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 12:17:45PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > Note: the mini.iso is a barebone netinst, and tasksel does not > > currently work (I am on that). The "Package selection" step will > > fail. Just skip it, continue with the installation, and then install > > stuff with apt-get after reboot. > > > > Just to let you know that tasksel has now been fixed in unstable and > beowulf, so the "Package selection" step should run smoothly. > > My2Cents > > KatolaZ Is there an updated mini.iso to celbrate that fact? SteveT Steve Litt November 2018 featured book: Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting Brand new, second edition http://www.troubleshooters.com/mgr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete
On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 12:17:45PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: [cut] > > Note: the mini.iso is a barebone netinst, and tasksel does not > currently work (I am on that). The "Package selection" step will > fail. Just skip it, continue with the installation, and then install > stuff with apt-get after reboot. > Just to let you know that tasksel has now been fixed in unstable and beowulf, so the "Package selection" step should run smoothly. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete
On 11/19/2018 06:17 AM, KatolaZ wrote: Hi All, in the last few days we have seen many people going at lengths with the pros and cons of a non-merged usr. That has been a great discussion. We have put together a solution that consists into choosing if you want merged-usr at install time. It's available in the current unstable installer: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/unstable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso It would be great for the vocal support against usr-merge to become a concrete piece of help to maintaining choice in Devuan. So if you care, please install beowulf/ceres using the mini.iso above and help testing all the possible scenarios of non-merged /usr, to discover any potential issue/breakage there. Note: the mini.iso is a barebone netinst, and tasksel does not currently work (I am on that). The "Package selection" step will fail. Just skip it, continue with the installation, and then install stuff with apt-get after reboot. Please report bugs on https://bugs.devuan.org. We are currently upgrading many packages in unstable, including reportbug, so either use the reportbug version from ascii or just use reportbug to prepare the report and then send the email it creates to submit[at]bugs.devuan.org Your help is very welcome. HND KatolaZ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng On 11/19/2018 06:17 AM, KatolaZ wrote: Hi All, in the last few days we have seen many people going at lengths with the pros and cons of a non-merged usr. That has been a great discussion. We have put together a solution that consists into choosing if you want merged-usr at install time. It's available in the current unstable installer: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/unstable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso It would be great for the vocal support against usr-merge to become a concrete piece of help to maintaining choice in Devuan. So if you care, please install beowulf/ceres using the mini.iso above and help testing all the possible scenarios of non-merged /usr, to discover any potential issue/breakage there. Note: the mini.iso is a barebone netinst, and tasksel does not currently work (I am on that). The "Package selection" step will fail. Just skip it, continue with the installation, and then install stuff with apt-get after reboot. Please report bugs on https://bugs.devuan.org. We are currently upgrading many packages in unstable, including reportbug, so either use the reportbug version from ascii or just use reportbug to prepare the report and then send the email it creates to submit[at]bugs.devuan.org Your help is very welcome. HND KatolaZ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng KatolaZ I know you said to test: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/unstable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso This go for: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/unstable/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso My old reliable just finished up a test that it was doing. I saw that the one you linked to was 64 bit. Until this 32 bit goes to it's final resting place, I still use it. FYI Aopen server cir 2002/3. I had more, this is the last one. Another died about a month ago and have not had time to find the replacement power supply. I call it, the bunny. It keeps going and going and going... :D ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete
On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 12:17:45 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > Hi All, > > in the last few days we have seen many people going at lengths with > the pros and cons of a non-merged usr. That has been a great > discussion. We have put together a solution that consists into > choosing if you want merged-usr at install time. It's available in the > current unstable installer: > > > https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/unstable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso I couldn't install this in a qemu guest. Right after the screen that asked what software to install, such as lxqt, lxde, print utilities and console utilities, I got the "An installation step failed" error. I looked at Ctrl+Alt+F4 and it seemed that it griped about the following: * task-english * unix-linux-locales * ibritish * iamerican SteveT Steve Litt November 2018 featured book: Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting Brand new, second edition http://www.troubleshooters.com/mgr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete
On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 04:28:42PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > KatoloZ wrote: "We have put together a solution that consists into > choosing if you want merged-usr at install time. It's available in the > current unstable installer:" > > Ooooh, not even Einstein could have arrived at that! Very brainy, > extremely smart! If you were so smart to know how to do that one week ago, as you seemed to suggest in your previous email, why didn't you move a single finger to get it done, or to propose a patch? :) Chatting is cheap. Proposing solutions that "work for me only" is easy. Providing mechanisms that do not break thousands of existing installations and do not drive people mad is a totally different story, as you might probably know... HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete
KatoloZ wrote: "We have put together a solution that consists into choosing if you want merged-usr at install time. It's available in the current unstable installer:" Ooooh, not even Einstein could have arrived at that! Very brainy, extremely smart! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete
On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 10:34:49AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 04:08:19PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > > > > P.S.: I am not so sure about the "unmerge" being so difficult, to be > > honest, but I might be wrong... > > For unmerging you'd just have to know which files belong where in the > unmerged system. That information is should be in the unmerged .deb > files themselves. Is there an easier source for this information? > It's not that easy, since you also have stuff in pre-inst and post-inst. But is should be possible for a large number of packages. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete
On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 04:08:19PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > > P.S.: I am not so sure about the "unmerge" being so difficult, to be > honest, but I might be wrong... For unmerging you'd just have to know which files belong where in the unmerged system. That information is should be in the unmerged .deb files themselves. Is there an easier source for this information? -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete
On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 04:02:09PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 12:17:45PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > in the last few days we have seen many people going at lengths with > > the pros and cons of a non-merged usr. That has been a great > > discussion. We have put together a solution that consists into > > choosing if you want merged-usr at install time. It's available in the > > current unstable installer: > > > > > > https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/unstable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso > > I don't think there's a point in an installer question -- it's trivial to > add the merge later with a single apt command. An installer question is > pretty costly -- it is seen and has to be answered by everyone who installs > at the given debconf level. Thus, such knobs should be reserved for things > that 1. make sense to be asked to most people, or 2. would be hard to > recover from if not given at install time (like _undoing_ usrmerge). > We are not saying we will ask the question to all the users. The "knob" will be probably available only in expert install, once we are sure that there are no major issues there, and the default will most probably be non-merged-usr. For testing purposes it makes sense to keep the question there, anyway. Any help with testing stuff that might break in a non-merged /usr environment would be helpful. My2Cents KatolaZ P.S.: I am not so sure about the "unmerge" being so difficult, to be honest, but I might be wrong... -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete
On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 12:17:45PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > Hi All, > > in the last few days we have seen many people going at lengths with > the pros and cons of a non-merged usr. That has been a great > discussion. We have put together a solution that consists into > choosing if you want merged-usr at install time. It's available in the > current unstable installer: > > > https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/unstable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso I don't think there's a point in an installer question -- it's trivial to add the merge later with a single apt command. An installer question is pretty costly -- it is seen and has to be answered by everyone who installs at the given debconf level. Thus, such knobs should be reserved for things that 1. make sense to be asked to most people, or 2. would be hard to recover from if not given at install time (like _undoing_ usrmerge). Meow! -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ I've read an article about how lively happy music boosts ⣾⠁⢰⠒⠀⣿⡁ productivity. You can read it, too, you just need the ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ right music while doing so. I recommend Skepticism ⠈⠳⣄ (funeral doom metal). ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete
On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 03:16:29PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 12:17:45 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message > <20181119111745.jykbsqvt6gdpw...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > > > Hi All, > > > > in the last few days we have seen many people going at lengths with > > the pros and cons of a non-merged usr. That has been a great > > discussion. We have put together a solution that consists into > > choosing if you want merged-usr at install time. It's available in the > > current unstable installer: > > > > > > https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/unstable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso > > ..these are correct?: > arnt@box:~/devuan$ ll mini.iso & mini.iso & -h mini.iso > -rw-r--r-- 1 arnt arnt 46137344 Nov 17 20:47 mini.iso > 4735f2bb2bf7cd34f65c66b397f8ba42 mini.iso > -rw-r--r-- 1 arnt arnt 44M Nov 17 20:47 mini.iso > arnt@box:~/devuan$ o_O That's a test image, but nevertheless, here you go: $ md5sum mini.iso.20181117 4735f2bb2bf7cd34f65c66b397f8ba42 mini.iso.20181117 $ sha256sum mini.iso.20181117 6c81fb0a9cd7c619121878fa7dbcdbfc87dd25c6d563ef5d721125fb16a48784 mini.iso.20181117 HTH KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete
On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 12:17:45 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message <20181119111745.jykbsqvt6gdpw...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > Hi All, > > in the last few days we have seen many people going at lengths with > the pros and cons of a non-merged usr. That has been a great > discussion. We have put together a solution that consists into > choosing if you want merged-usr at install time. It's available in the > current unstable installer: > > > https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/unstable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso ..these are correct?: arnt@box:~/devuan$ ll mini.iso & mini.iso & -h mini.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 arnt arnt 46137344 Nov 17 20:47 mini.iso 4735f2bb2bf7cd34f65c66b397f8ba42 mini.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 arnt arnt 44M Nov 17 20:47 mini.iso arnt@box:~/devuan$ > > It would be great for the vocal support against usr-merge to become a > concrete piece of help to maintaining choice in Devuan. So if you > care, please install beowulf/ceres using the mini.iso above and help > testing all the possible scenarios of non-merged /usr, to discover any > potential issue/breakage there. > > Note: the mini.iso is a barebone netinst, and tasksel does not > currently work (I am on that). The "Package selection" step will > fail. Just skip it, continue with the installation, and then install > stuff with apt-get after reboot. > > Please report bugs on https://bugs.devuan.org. We are currently > upgrading many packages in unstable, including reportbug, so either > use the reportbug version from ascii or just use reportbug to prepare > the report and then send the email it creates to > submit[at]bugs.devuan.org > > Your help is very welcome. > > HND > > KatolaZ > -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete
Hi All, in the last few days we have seen many people going at lengths with the pros and cons of a non-merged usr. That has been a great discussion. We have put together a solution that consists into choosing if you want merged-usr at install time. It's available in the current unstable installer: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/unstable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso It would be great for the vocal support against usr-merge to become a concrete piece of help to maintaining choice in Devuan. So if you care, please install beowulf/ceres using the mini.iso above and help testing all the possible scenarios of non-merged /usr, to discover any potential issue/breakage there. Note: the mini.iso is a barebone netinst, and tasksel does not currently work (I am on that). The "Package selection" step will fail. Just skip it, continue with the installation, and then install stuff with apt-get after reboot. Please report bugs on https://bugs.devuan.org. We are currently upgrading many packages in unstable, including reportbug, so either use the reportbug version from ascii or just use reportbug to prepare the report and then send the email it creates to submit[at]bugs.devuan.org Your help is very welcome. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
