Re: [DNG] Devuan on Panasonic FZ-G1
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 01:46:14PM -0700, Bruce Perens wrote: > I put Devuan on my usual travel laptop, a Panasonic FZ-G1 fully-rugged > tablet with an iKey fully-rugged rubber keyboard with hinge which makes it > a laptop. This is specified to survive hose water from any angle and stand > significant abuse, and in general to not crap out a minute before I'm > supposed to give a speech, so why would anyone put systemd on it :-) I once had a comuter that would put audio out on headphones but not on the computer's own speakers. Then one day it switched around and did the reverse. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan on Panasonic FZ-G1
dear Bruce, thanks for hinting about alsactl, I suspect checking the dependencies of this package may make the life easier to a number of people installing Devuan without using the desktop task. On Tue, 21 Aug 2018, Bruce Perens wrote: >And the solution is: run alsactl init. >Does any package install script try to run it? it is called by the sysvinit script of the 'alsa-utils' package Package: alsa-utils Version: 1.1.6-1 Priority: optional Section: sound Maintainer: Debian ALSA Maintainers Installed-Size: 2,170 kB Provides: audio-mixer Depends: kmod (>= 17-1~), lsb-base (>= 3.0-9), whiptail | dialog, libasound2 (>= 1.1.1), libc6 (>= 2.27), libfftw3-single3 (>= 3.3.5), libncursesw6 (>= 6), libsamplerate0 (>= 0.1.7), libtinfo6 (>= 6) Homepage: https://www.alsa-project.org/ Tag: admin::configuring, admin::hardware, admin::kernel, devel::lang:c, devel::library, implemented-in::c, interface::text-mode, role::devel-lib, role::program, uitoolkit::ncurses, use::configuring, works-with::audio Download-Size: 1,052 kB APT-Manual-Installed: no APT-Sources: http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged beowulf/main amd64 Packages Description: Utilities for configuring and using ALSA among the reverse dependencies, I see as relevant: task-desktop,alsa-utils libasound2-data,alsa-utils which should bring it in, somehow. I think it is a good idea to elevate the priority of alsa-utils from 'optional' to something more apt for its role. ciao ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan on Panasonic FZ-G1
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 16:02:09 -0700 Bruce Perens wrote: > And the solution is: run alsactl init. I sure wish you'd told me about alsactl init 15 years ago, Bruce. Restoring to a known-good situation is priceless in troubleshooting. Thanks for telling me about it today. SteveT Steve Litt September 2018 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own Business http://www.troubleshooters.com/startbiz ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan on Panasonic FZ-G1
And the solution is: run alsactl init. Does any package install script try to run it? Thanks Bruce On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 3:39 PM, Joel Roth wrote: > Steve Litt wrote: > > By the way, I recently found a program called qasmixer which I like > > better than alsamixer for dealing with sound. > > I tried qastool, which looks and works great. > > The other qastools, qashctl and qasconfig make > it easy to navigate through other > sound-related settings. > > -- > Joel Roth > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > -- Bruce Perens K6BP - CEO, Legal Engineering Standards committee chair, license review committee member, co-founder, Open Source Initiative President, Open Research Institute; Board Member, Fashion Freedom Initiative. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan on Panasonic FZ-G1
Steve Litt wrote: > By the way, I recently found a program called qasmixer which I like > better than alsamixer for dealing with sound. I tried qastool, which looks and works great. The other qastools, qashctl and qasconfig make it easy to navigate through other sound-related settings. -- Joel Roth ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan on Panasonic FZ-G1
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 2:07 PM, Antony Stone wrote: > On Tuesday 21 August 2018 at 22:46:14, Bruce Perens wrote: > > > I put Devuan > > Which version? > ASCII > > > on my usual travel laptop > > Do, or did, you have any other O/S installed on it? If so, what? > No > > > a Panasonic FZ-G1 > > What's the sound chip for one of those? > There is some question whether it should be Intel HDA or some other Intel. I'm looking at that. > > > Everything works but the sound. Pulseaudio is sending to the sound > > interface, > > How do you know? Show us some diagnostic output? > The nice mixer panel shows a moving bar. OK, this is lame, I have not gotten into the driver yet. > > > and nothing comes out of the speaker. Any clues? > > 1. If you have alsamixer installed, see if anything is muted. > Did that. > > 2. If you have another O/S installed, can that produce sound, and if you > have > to adjust something to get it to produce sound, does it then work next > time > you boot Devuan? > Might try a live distribution and see what happens. > > 2a. If you don't have another O/S installed, can you try Ubuntu or similar > from a USB stick? > Yes. > > 3. Have you got keyboard buttons (probably in combination with some "Fn" > key) > for un/mute and volume up/down? If yes, what happens if you try those? > > I am not clear that the ACPI daemon (or whatever) even sees the volume buttons on this thing. I can only get the power button to work. > 4. Have you tried plugging speakers or headphones into the headset socket > to > see if that produces sound? > > I'll stick headphones in there and see what happens. > 5. Do you have an HDMI monitor with speakers which you can try plugging > into > the HDMI port to see if sound comes out there? > > > Will do. > My guess is that either something is muted, or the default output is going > over HDMI. > The volume control panel (I think from xfce) offers "Analog Stereo Duplex" and "Analog Stereo Output" and neither works. There are also 7 combinations of HDMI. The output choice is set to "Speaker" and also offers "Headphones (unplugged)" Right now, I am building the latest kernel, will debug hardware later. Thanks Bruce ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan on Panasonic FZ-G1
Bruce Perens wrote: > I put Devuan on my usual travel laptop, a Panasonic FZ-G1 fully-rugged > tablet with an iKey fully-rugged rubber keyboard with hinge which makes it > a laptop. This is specified to survive hose water from any angle and stand > significant abuse, and in general to not crap out a minute before I'm > supposed to give a speech, so why would anyone put systemd on it :-) > > Everything works but the sound. Pulseaudio is sending to the sound > interface, and nothing comes out of the speaker. Any clues? With so many years of linux audio, I wonder that there is not a Linux Audio Troubleshooting Guide. Oh there is, courtesy of our own Steve Litt: http://troubleshooters.com/linux/sound/sound_troubleshooting.htm > Thanks > > Bruce > > -- > Bruce Perens K6BP - CEO, Legal Engineering > Standards committee chair, license review committee member, co-founder, > Open Source Initiative > President, Open Research Institute; Board Member, Fashion Freedom > Initiative. > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng -- Joel Roth ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan on Panasonic FZ-G1
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 13:46:14 -0700 Bruce Perens wrote: > I put Devuan on my usual travel laptop, a Panasonic FZ-G1 fully-rugged > tablet with an iKey fully-rugged rubber keyboard with hinge which > makes it a laptop. This is specified to survive hose water from any > angle and stand significant abuse, and in general to not crap out a > minute before I'm supposed to give a speech, so why would anyone put > systemd on it :-) > > Everything works but the sound. Pulseaudio is sending to the sound > interface, and nothing comes out of the speaker. Any clues? How much do you need Pulseaudio? I've had tremendous success solving sound problems by uninstalling Pulseaudio. Of course, I then had to configure individual sound apps to use ALSA instead of Pulseaudio, but it's been worth it. If using Pulse for one app (skype, for example), you can use apulse to temporarily give that one app Pulseaudio "power" without gumming up the whole system. I think it went something like the following: apulse skype By the way, I recently found a program called qasmixer which I like better than alsamixer for dealing with sound. SteveT Steve Litt September 2018 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own Business http://www.troubleshooters.com/startbiz ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan on Panasonic FZ-G1
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 23:07:46 +0200 Antony Stone wrote: > 1. If you have alsamixer installed, see if anything is muted. Or in pavucontrol Cheers, Ron. -- The magic of our first love is our ignorance that it can ever end. -- Benjamin Disraeli -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan on Panasonic FZ-G1
Because, Grasshopper, the Vetran Unix Admins practice what they preach and do not allow short-term issues to obscure their long-term goals. Now, say 20 Aves to St. Igntious. :-) On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 2:07 PM, Antony Stone < antony.st...@devuan.open.source.it> wrote: > On Tuesday 21 August 2018 at 22:46:14, Bruce Perens wrote: > > > I put Devuan > > Which version? > > > on my usual travel laptop > > Do, or did, you have any other O/S installed on it? If so, what? > > > a Panasonic FZ-G1 > > What's the sound chip for one of those? > > > Everything works but the sound. Pulseaudio is sending to the sound > > interface, > > How do you know? Show us some diagnostic output? > > > and nothing comes out of the speaker. Any clues? > > 1. If you have alsamixer installed, see if anything is muted. > > 2. If you have another O/S installed, can that produce sound, and if you > have > to adjust something to get it to produce sound, does it then work next > time > you boot Devuan? > > 2a. If you don't have another O/S installed, can you try Ubuntu or similar > from a USB stick? > > 3. Have you got keyboard buttons (probably in combination with some "Fn" > key) > for un/mute and volume up/down? If yes, what happens if you try those? > > 4. Have you tried plugging speakers or headphones into the headset socket > to > see if that produces sound? > > 5. Do you have an HDMI monitor with speakers which you can try plugging > into > the HDMI port to see if sound comes out there? > > > My guess is that either something is muted, or the default output is going > over HDMI. > > > Antony. > > -- > Software development can be quick, high quality, or low cost. > > The customer gets to pick any two out of three. > >Please reply to the > list; > please *don't* CC > me. > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > -- Bruce Perens K6BP - CEO, Legal Engineering Standards committee chair, license review committee member, co-founder, Open Source Initiative President, Open Research Institute; Board Member, Fashion Freedom Initiative. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan on Panasonic FZ-G1
On Tuesday 21 August 2018 at 22:46:14, Bruce Perens wrote: > I put Devuan Which version? > on my usual travel laptop Do, or did, you have any other O/S installed on it? If so, what? > a Panasonic FZ-G1 What's the sound chip for one of those? > Everything works but the sound. Pulseaudio is sending to the sound > interface, How do you know? Show us some diagnostic output? > and nothing comes out of the speaker. Any clues? 1. If you have alsamixer installed, see if anything is muted. 2. If you have another O/S installed, can that produce sound, and if you have to adjust something to get it to produce sound, does it then work next time you boot Devuan? 2a. If you don't have another O/S installed, can you try Ubuntu or similar from a USB stick? 3. Have you got keyboard buttons (probably in combination with some "Fn" key) for un/mute and volume up/down? If yes, what happens if you try those? 4. Have you tried plugging speakers or headphones into the headset socket to see if that produces sound? 5. Do you have an HDMI monitor with speakers which you can try plugging into the HDMI port to see if sound comes out there? My guess is that either something is muted, or the default output is going over HDMI. Antony. -- Software development can be quick, high quality, or low cost. The customer gets to pick any two out of three. Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Devuan on Panasonic FZ-G1
I put Devuan on my usual travel laptop, a Panasonic FZ-G1 fully-rugged tablet with an iKey fully-rugged rubber keyboard with hinge which makes it a laptop. This is specified to survive hose water from any angle and stand significant abuse, and in general to not crap out a minute before I'm supposed to give a speech, so why would anyone put systemd on it :-) Everything works but the sound. Pulseaudio is sending to the sound interface, and nothing comes out of the speaker. Any clues? Thanks Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP - CEO, Legal Engineering Standards committee chair, license review committee member, co-founder, Open Source Initiative President, Open Research Institute; Board Member, Fashion Freedom Initiative. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
