Re: [DNG] Eye candy: I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

[Rick Moen]

Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):

> On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 13:44:34 +0100
> KatolaZ  wrote:
> 
> > Steve Jobs understood that users must be won with eyecandies, and on
> > that side we will never be able to beat Apple. Not because Free
> > Software cannot produce better eyecandies, but because the newly-won
> > users, lured through eyecandies, would flee back to Apple as soon as
> > Apple provides a more appealing set of eyecandies.
> 
> I very well could be insane, but I've always thought that Windowmaker
> is extremely beautiful. I don't understand Windowmaker, and I can't get
> it to do what I need, but when it comes to eye candy, I find Windowmaker
> the best. Windowmaker is also lightweight, and as far as I know, it has
> no association with either systemd or dbus.
> 
> It would be cool as hell if somebody who likes the way Windowmaker
> looks could modify it to be more useable by someone understanding the
> Win9x user interface. If somebody does that, I'll help with the
> documentation.

This would of course be welcome, but runs against the grain of what
Window Maker is all about:  It's an implementation of the OPENSTEP
specification based on NeXT Computer's NeXTStep, which as some of us
aging fans of same know, was a proprietary BSD variant using Display
PostScript rather than X11 as its display engine.  NeXTStep charmed many
of us back in the day by being elegant, and uncluttered.  It was
extremely self-consistent and simple in its graphical UI, but that
graphical UI simply had different operational semantics than the
(metaphorical) genetic line of descent (in UI design) represented by
Motif -> Win3x -> Win9x -> WinNT.  And thus, the same is now true of
Window Maker and its (largely notional) GNUstep DE, those having been
directly inspired by NeXTStep.

Win9x-UI habituees might be happier with IceWM or something like that,
that actually aspires to behave more-or-less the way MS-Windows does.

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Re: [DNG] Eye candy: I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

[KatolaZ]

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 12:34:25PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:

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> 
> It would be cool as hell if somebody who likes the way Windowmaker
> looks could modify it to be more useable by someone understanding the
> Win9x user interface. If somebody does that, I'll help with the
> documentation.
>

Dear Steve,

the main problem is that WindowMaker is at the antipodes of Win9x user
interface, and IMVHO it would be almost impossible to bend it to that
purpose.

If moving icons around a desktop is your thing, then WindowMaker is
*not* your thing, since the main point of WMaker is *not* having icons
hanging around [*]. That's probably why most users dislike it.

Concerning the gloomy themes mentioned by somebody else, you can edit
and customise literally everything through WPrefs. So if the standard
themes look gloomy, just use your own preferred
colours/backgrounds. WMaker doesn't choose for you.

HND

KatolaZ

[*] Yes, you can still have a tree of icon-like objects hanging
around, but that is normally not that much practical.

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Re: [DNG] Eye candy: I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-06-22 18:34, schrieb Steve Litt:

I very well could be insane, but I've always thought that Windowmaker
is extremely beautiful. I don't understand Windowmaker, and I can't get
it to do what I need, but when it comes to eye candy, I find 
Windowmaker

the best. Windowmaker is also lightweight, and as far as I know, it has
no association with either systemd or dbus.


I often heard good things about windowmaker and tried it serveral times, 
but gave up some minutes after installing it. The themes are made for 
people living in a cave. All dark and making me depressing.


Are there windowmaker themes for normal people, not living in the dark?

Jochen

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[DNG] Eye candy: I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

[Steve Litt]

On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 13:44:34 +0100
KatolaZ  wrote:

> Steve Jobs understood that users must be won with eyecandies, and on
> that side we will never be able to beat Apple. Not because Free
> Software cannot produce better eyecandies, but because the newly-won
> users, lured through eyecandies, would flee back to Apple as soon as
> Apple provides a more appealing set of eyecandies.

I very well could be insane, but I've always thought that Windowmaker
is extremely beautiful. I don't understand Windowmaker, and I can't get
it to do what I need, but when it comes to eye candy, I find Windowmaker
the best. Windowmaker is also lightweight, and as far as I know, it has
no association with either systemd or dbus.

It would be cool as hell if somebody who likes the way Windowmaker
looks could modify it to be more useable by someone understanding the
Win9x user interface. If somebody does that, I'll help with the
documentation.

DISCLAIMER: I am NOT suggesting that the Devuan project itself put
people on my idea: That would be a horrible misprioritization. I'm
just saying that if there's somebody who really wants to do it,
that would be a good idea and I'll help with the documentation.

SteveT

Steve Litt 
June 2017 featured book: The Key to Everyday Excellence
http://www.troubleshooters.com/key
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