Re: [DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan
Response inline. On Sun, 7/24/16, aitor_czr wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan To: "Go Linux" , Dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Sunday, July 24, 2016, 5:28 AM > Hi Golinux, > On 07/24/2016 10:08 AM, wrote: >> Am Sat, 23 Jul 2016 19:32:34 + >> schrieb Go Linux: >> >>> >Vertex messes with the size and spacing on the panel icons too. And >>> >the white inactive titlebar is just too gtk3ish for my taste. It >>> >blends with the white BG on pages so I have a hard time finding where >>> >the apps are on the page. I also see macish circle control buttons >>> >on the pdf reader. UGH! And the PDF reader slider is about 1/8 inch >>> >wide. That's got to be a gtk3 "improvement". There is also some >>> >blue around check-box choices. And I just noticed that the input bar >>> >on xchat is now dark green >> As far as i see, i do not have those problems with vertex (but i use >> vertex-dark!). May be that's due to the fact, i use JWM (?). For >> sure, Vertex has problems with gtk3 but as far as i see they are less >> than others (Clearlook for example!) >> >> I do not find Xchat, but in Hexchat, my input line is dark, with white >> foreground (fonts) - as i would expect it, using a dark theme. > > The pdf reader slider's wide is inherent to the application. Surelly, it > will happen also with other applications like file-roller and some > pop-up windows. They are prefabricated tools (probably in PyGtk), > developed for gnome. And their appearance is horrible independently of > the used gtk-theme. > Not true! Just look at the screenies. The sliders and controls in Vertex and OSX-Breeze are completely different! So that has to be in the vertex/osx-breeze css. > > Nonetheless, there is no solution for that, just make it less ugly :( > Yes there is either rebuild vertex/osx-breeze or use a different theme. > > However, the circle control buttons can be customized :) They are > located in gtk-3.0/assets: > > titlebutton.png > titlebut...@2.png > titlebutton-close-prelight.png > titlebutton-close-preli...@2.png > etc... > I want to start from a theme that works best for my use case. Of course each one of us has different preferences/needs. Clearlooks-Phenix-purpy has no rendering issues on my Devuan XFCE. I have not yet found another theme that doesn't have more problems than it's worth to try to fix. I suspect emninger's issues are due to the WM he's using. If anyone following this thread has an interest in the warts that I found for both Vertex and OSX-Breeze (I'm sure there are more) in about 5 minutes, you can download these screenies: http://www.saynotogmos.org/ss/screenies.zip Of course the landscape is always changing and undoubtedly the future will bring challenges that will be harder to work around (more SNS and unneeded complexity). golinux > > Cheers, > >Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan
Hi, To moderator: Delete my previous email with the picture as the size is too large. Steve Litt wrote: << PRIORITIES: * Readability over pretty. * Quick Contextual recognition over pretty. * Readability over real estate efficiency of the screen. * Quick clickability over pretty. * Keystroke access over not bothering to program same. TIPS: * Noticibly different color titlebar for focused window. * Reasonable sized titlebars with big devices like close, max, hide and windowshade. * Window designs capable of functioning with big fonts. * NO FRIGGIN TRANSPARENCY! * Instantly noticible borders. I use 2px cyan borders on the focused window. * Text with big contrast. Black on white, black on f0f0f0, black or darkblue on cc, or white, bright yellow or bright green on black are ideal. * Never assume red and green will contrast with each other: Red/green color blindness is the most common form of color blindness. * Ideally, the text should still contrast if all color is converted to shades of gray. * Active buttons should be instantly recognizable (Firefox hang your head in shame). * Bold mouse pointer. Mouse tracks are nice, but I haven't seen them in years. >> I am another person who does not have the luxury of a good eyesight. Dark themes and transparencies irritate my eyes. The symptom is often burning eyes after about half an hour of exposure. Please, consider those less fortunate individuals who do not have the freedom to use whatever theme they are presented with. I also have to set my font sizes to a larger than normal size. This is why I use a 17.3 inch laptop even though it costs me double the price of other more popular laptops. Using stronger lenses does not solve my eyesight issues. Desktop picture illustrating what I use: https://s31.postimg.org/3puyaphor/2016_07_24_171439_1600x900_scrot.png Edward -- Those who abuse me will be banned immediately from my email account. Here, I am communicating with supposedly intelligent adults who are responsible for their actions. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan
Am Sun, 24 Jul 2016 12:00:02 + schrieb aitor_czr : > However, the circle control buttons can be customized :) They are > located in gtk-3.0/assets: > > titlebutton.png > titlebut...@2.png > titlebutton-close-prelight.png > titlebutton-close-preli...@2.png > etc... Yes, sure. But where are these buttons used. I looked a bit around, but i do not see them. The title bar is configured, in my case, by JWM (and ceteris paribus in the relative flux- or openbox themes; i agree with you, that adapt them is a second step). For the title bar buttons i have a "buttons" theme whereto my jwm theme points (coloured square buttons: white = hide, blue = max, lila = maxactive red = close; may be i will adapt, for the dark theme, the really nice buttons, the now outdated pekwm theme of manjaro used (?)). ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan
Hi Golinux, On 07/24/2016 10:08 AM, wrote: Am Sat, 23 Jul 2016 19:32:34 + schrieb Go Linux: >Vertex messes with the size and spacing on the panel icons too. And >the white inactive titlebar is just too gtk3ish for my taste. It >blends with the white BG on pages so I have a hard time finding where >the apps are on the page. I also see macish circle control buttons >on the pdf reader. UGH! And the PDF reader slider is about 1/8 inch >wide. That's got to be a gtk3 "improvement". There is also some >blue around check-box choices. And I just noticed that the input bar >on xchat is now dark green As far as i see, i do not have those problems with vertex (but i use vertex-dark!). May be that's due to the fact, i use JWM (?). For sure, Vertex has problems with gtk3 but as far as i see they are less than others (Clearlook for example!) I do not find Xchat, but in Hexchat, my input line is dark, with white foreground (fonts) - as i would expect it, using a dark theme. The pdf reader slider's wide is inherent to the application. Surelly, it will happen also with other applications like file-roller and some pop-up windows. They are prefabricated tools (probably in PyGtk), developed for gnome. And their appearance is horrible independently of the used gtk-theme. Nonetheless, there is no solution for that, just make it less ugly :( However, the circle control buttons can be customized :) They are located in gtk-3.0/assets: titlebutton.png titlebut...@2.png titlebutton-close-prelight.png titlebutton-close-preli...@2.png etc... Cheers, Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan
Hi Steve, On 07/24/2016 10:08 AM, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: Blind leading the blind, no pun intended. I'm using it in Openbox on Void Linux, you're using it on xfce or icewm. I'm attaching the following file: /usr/share/themes/Clearlooks_slitt/openbox-3/themerc It started with Clearlooks, and I experimented til I got what I wanted. I don't understand everything I did. The main points here are: * dd active titlebar background * cc active titlebar label color * 2 pixel border, 00 * Window handle width 6px * 00 window grip color Believe me, glance for 1/4 second and you know which is the active window, and how far it extends in every direction. That big red titlebar is the only seriously colorful thing on the screen, and the borders are unmistakable. It'snotpretty. SteveT I'm in openbox, but i still didn't work in the openbox theme. First of all is to fix the gtk theme; after that, the openbox theme will be adapted to it. Thanks for your help [*] Aitor. [*] Steve and Golinux :) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan
Am Sat, 23 Jul 2016 19:32:34 + schrieb Go Linux : > Vertex messes with the size and spacing on the panel icons too. And > the white inactive titlebar is just too gtk3ish for my taste. It > blends with the white BG on pages so I have a hard time finding where > the apps are on the page. I also see macish circle control buttons > on the pdf reader. UGH! And the PDF reader slider is about 1/8 inch > wide. That's got to be a gtk3 "improvement". There is also some > blue around check-box choices. And I just noticed that the input bar > on xchat is now dark green As far as i see, i do not have those problems with vertex (but i use vertex-dark!). May be that's due to the fact, i use JWM (?). For sure, Vertex has problems with gtk3 but as far as i see they are less than others (Clearlook for example!) I do not find Xchat, but in Hexchat, my input line is dark, with white foreground (fonts) - as i would expect it, using a dark theme. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan
Am Sun, 24 Jul 2016 05:14:43 + schrieb Go Linux : Hi golinux! > There may be a way to fix those things in the theme but that would > take drilling down deep into the code. If/when I finally get around > to that I'll start from the original themes to make sure the errors > weren't introduced with your individual theming. That would be great since you for sure are much more capable than me. And it would be great to have a useable theme which deals at least in some way in a reasonable way with the gtk3 problems. The Clearlooks-Phènix-purpy, frankly, is nearly unuseable when it comes to have to deal with gtk3 programs. I do not know about xfce or lxde since i do not use that kind of DE. Thanks a lot in advance! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan
On Sat, 23 Jul 2016 23:11:17 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 11:02:19PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Sat, 23 Jul 2016 23:36:06 +0200 > > aitor_czr wrote: > > > > > > > Help, Steve Litt !! > > > > > >Aitor. > > > > I think a separate theme is needed for people with fuzzy vision. > > > > PRIORITIES: > > > > * Readability over pretty. > > * Quick Contextual recognition over pretty. > > * Readability over real estate efficiency of the screen. > > * Quick clickability over pretty. > > * Keystroke access over not bothering to program same. > > > > TIPS: > > > > * Noticibly different color titlebar for focused window. > > * Reasonable sized titlebars with big devices like close, max, hide > > and windowshade. > > * Window designs capable of functioning with big fonts. > > * NO FRIGGIN TRANSPARENCY! > > * Instantly noticible borders. I use 2px cyan borders on the focused > > window. > > * Text with big contrast. Black on white, black on f0f0f0, black or > > darkblue on cc, or white, bright yellow or bright green on > > black are ideal. > > * Never assume red and green will contrast with each other: > > Red/green color blindness is the most common form of color > > blindness. > > * Ideally, the text should still contrast if all color is converted > > to shades of gray. > > * Active buttons should be instantly recognizable (Firefox hang your > > head in shame). > > * Bold mouse pointer. Mouse tracks are nice, but I haven't seen > > them in years. > > > > Normal people can continue using normal themes, but people like me > > need what's described above. > > > > I have such a theme, but the problem is it bears absolutely no > > resemblance to other Devuon themes, and also, it's built from other > > themes so it's kind of a mess. > > > > Sounds like specs for a really usable theme. Can I use it? > > Even though I'm using xfce or icewm instead of gnome? Blind leading the blind, no pun intended. I'm using it in Openbox on Void Linux, you're using it on xfce or icewm. I'm attaching the following file: /usr/share/themes/Clearlooks_slitt/openbox-3/themerc It started with Clearlooks, and I experimented til I got what I wanted. I don't understand everything I did. The main points here are: * dd active titlebar background * cc active titlebar label color * 2 pixel border, 00 * Window handle width 6px * 00 window grip color Believe me, glance for 1/4 second and you know which is the active window, and how far it extends in every direction. That big red titlebar is the only seriously colorful thing on the screen, and the borders are unmistakable. It'snotpretty. SteveT Steve Litt July 2016 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques themerc Description: Binary data ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan
On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 11:02:19PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sat, 23 Jul 2016 23:36:06 +0200 > aitor_czr wrote: > > > > Help, Steve Litt !! > > > >Aitor. > > I think a separate theme is needed for people with fuzzy vision. > > PRIORITIES: > > * Readability over pretty. > * Quick Contextual recognition over pretty. > * Readability over real estate efficiency of the screen. > * Quick clickability over pretty. > * Keystroke access over not bothering to program same. > > TIPS: > > * Noticibly different color titlebar for focused window. > * Reasonable sized titlebars with big devices like close, max, hide > and windowshade. > * Window designs capable of functioning with big fonts. > * NO FRIGGIN TRANSPARENCY! > * Instantly noticible borders. I use 2px cyan borders on the focused > window. > * Text with big contrast. Black on white, black on f0f0f0, black or > darkblue on cc, or white, bright yellow or bright green on black > are ideal. > * Never assume red and green will contrast with each other: Red/green > color blindness is the most common form of color blindness. > * Ideally, the text should still contrast if all color is converted to > shades of gray. > * Active buttons should be instantly recognizable (Firefox hang your > head in shame). > * Bold mouse pointer. Mouse tracks are nice, but I haven't seen them in > years. > > Normal people can continue using normal themes, but people like me need > what's described above. > > I have such a theme, but the problem is it bears absolutely no > resemblance to other Devuon themes, and also, it's built from other > themes so it's kind of a mess. > Sounds like specs for a really usable theme. Can I use it? Even though I'm using xfce or icewm instead of gnome? -- hendrik > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > July 2016 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques > of the Successful Technologist > http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan
On Sat, 23 Jul 2016 23:36:06 +0200 aitor_czr wrote: > Help, Steve Litt !! > >Aitor. I think a separate theme is needed for people with fuzzy vision. PRIORITIES: * Readability over pretty. * Quick Contextual recognition over pretty. * Readability over real estate efficiency of the screen. * Quick clickability over pretty. * Keystroke access over not bothering to program same. TIPS: * Noticibly different color titlebar for focused window. * Reasonable sized titlebars with big devices like close, max, hide and windowshade. * Window designs capable of functioning with big fonts. * NO FRIGGIN TRANSPARENCY! * Instantly noticible borders. I use 2px cyan borders on the focused window. * Text with big contrast. Black on white, black on f0f0f0, black or darkblue on cc, or white, bright yellow or bright green on black are ideal. * Never assume red and green will contrast with each other: Red/green color blindness is the most common form of color blindness. * Ideally, the text should still contrast if all color is converted to shades of gray. * Active buttons should be instantly recognizable (Firefox hang your head in shame). * Bold mouse pointer. Mouse tracks are nice, but I haven't seen them in years. Normal people can continue using normal themes, but people like me need what's described above. I have such a theme, but the problem is it bears absolutely no resemblance to other Devuon themes, and also, it's built from other themes so it's kind of a mess. SteveT Steve Litt July 2016 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan
Author: emnin...@riseup.net Date: 2016-07-23 15:46 -500 To: dng Subject: Re: [DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan Am Sat, 23 Jul 2016 19:32:34 + schrieb : >> I'm comparing OSX-Breeze, GTX and Vertex. >> >> IMO, Vertex is best. >> >>Aitor. >> > > +1 > > If you're interested. i adapted vertex dark, as far as i could, to the > devuan style guidelines. If you'd like, i could pass it to you. > --- emninger . . . I've been trying to catch you on IRC and git for some time. The dark purpy color in your theme - #3B3B4A - is too blue. Try something like #423B4A instead. I found the dark theme very disorienting so didn't spend much time checking out inconsistencies like I did with aitor's offerings. Not sure whether the problems I saw are in the theme or in the coding of the apps themselves. There may be a way to fix those things in the theme but that would take drilling down deep into the code. If/when I finally get around to that I'll start from the original themes to make sure the errors weren't introduced with your individual theming. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan
On 07/23/2016 09:32 PM, Go Linux wrote: I really appreciate the work you've put into these. emninger had previously shared a Vertex purpy so I was aware of that theme. I had a very quick look at both of your contributions and found the following. In addition to the colors of the assets, I found the OSX-Breeze grays are way too dark. This theme also reduces the size of the panel icons - I suspect it's a border issue. In addition there are some rollover color problems - a blue rollover on the synaptic column options and in thunar, white on white rollovers on the menu bar. PDF reader has an immutable charcoal title bar. Ugly. Vertex messes with the size and spacing on the panel icons too. And the white inactive titlebar is just too gtk3ish for my taste. It blends with the white BG on pages so I have a hard time finding where the apps are on the page. I also see macish circle control buttons on the pdf reader. UGH! And the PDF reader slider is about 1/8 inch wide. That's got to be a gtk3 "improvement". There is also some blue around check-box choices. And I just noticed that the input bar on xchat is now dark green So still a lot of warts that need to be cleaned up. And there are undoubtedly many more waiting to be discovered. As to colors . . . for each release there will be a primany/signature color - purpy for jessie and then there are secondary/ accent colors like leafy. Of course they are harmonious but their dominance or recessiveness defines the look of each release. We are planning to have the website colors change to reflect the primary desktop color for each new release too. Cheers! It seems to be written between GoLinux and Rainer Weikusat, because i don't understand anything... Help, Steve Litt !! Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan
Am Sat, 23 Jul 2016 19:32:34 + schrieb : > I'm comparing OSX-Breeze, GTX and Vertex. > > IMO, Vertex is best. > >Aitor. > +1 If you're interested. i adapted vertex dark, as far as i could, to the devuan style guidelines. If you'd like, i could pass it to you. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan
On Sat, 7/23/16, aitor_czr wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan To: "Go Linux" , Dng@lists.dyne.org, Dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Saturday, July 23, 2016, 11:10 AM Hi again, On 07/23/2016 02:00 PM, aitor_czr wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm working on a flat theme for Devuan, which uses the green theme of > the init freedom logo: > > http://gnuinos.org/Devuan-Green/ > > It's based on the OSX-Breeze, and seems to be homogeneus. But the theme > still needs more changes. > > Cheers, > > Aitor. What about this other one, based on Vertex: http://gnuinos.org/Devuan-Green-Vertex/ The purple theme is haromious with the init freedom logo's colour. They are the same colours used in the website. 100% purpy would be boring :) I still have to change the blue assets and the borders... Cheers, Aitor. I really appreciate the work you've put into these. emninger had previously shared a Vertex purpy so I was aware of that theme. I had a very quick look at both of your contributions and found the following. In addition to the colors of the assets, I found the OSX-Breeze grays are way too dark. This theme also reduces the size of the panel icons - I suspect it's a border issue. In addition there are some rollover color problems - a blue rollover on the synaptic column options and in thunar, white on white rollovers on the menu bar. PDF reader has an immutable charcoal title bar. Ugly. Vertex messes with the size and spacing on the panel icons too. And the white inactive titlebar is just too gtk3ish for my taste. It blends with the white BG on pages so I have a hard time finding where the apps are on the page. I also see macish circle control buttons on the pdf reader. UGH! And the PDF reader slider is about 1/8 inch wide. That's got to be a gtk3 "improvement". There is also some blue around check-box choices. And I just noticed that the input bar on xchat is now dark green So still a lot of warts that need to be cleaned up. And there are undoubtedly many more waiting to be discovered. As to colors . . . for each release there will be a primany/signature color - purpy for jessie and then there are secondary/ accent colors like leafy. Of course they are harmonious but their dominance or recessiveness defines the look of each release. We are planning to have the website colors change to reflect the primary desktop color for each new release too. Cheers! golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan
Hi again, On 07/23/2016 02:00 PM, aitor_czr wrote: Hi all, I'm working on a flat theme for Devuan, which uses the green theme of the init freedom logo: http://gnuinos.org/Devuan-Green/ It's based on the OSX-Breeze, and seems to be homogeneus. But the theme still needs more changes. Cheers, Aitor. What about this other one, based on Vertex: http://gnuinos.org/Devuan-Green-Vertex/ The purple theme is haromious with the init freedom logo's colour. They are the same colours used in the website. 100% purpy would be boring :) I still have to change the blue assets and the borders... Cheers, Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan
On 07/23/2016 12:49 PM, aitor_czr wrote: Hi all, I'm working on a flat theme for Devuan, which uses the green theme of the init freedom logo: http://gnuinos.org/Devuan-Green/ It's based on the OSX-Breeze, and seems to be homogeneus. But the theme still needs more changes. Cheers, Aitor. I'm comparing OSX-Breeze, GTX and Vertex. IMO, Vertex is best. Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan
Hi all, I'm working on a flat theme for Devuan, which uses the green theme of the init freedom logo: http://gnuinos.org/Devuan-Green/ It's based on the OSX-Breeze, and seems to be homogeneus. But the theme still needs more changes. Cheers, Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
