Re: [DNG] IBM Gives Away PowerPC; Goes Open Source

2019-08-30 Thread Didier Kryn

Le 30/08/2019 à 23:43, Bruce Perens via Dng a écrit :
RISC-V is changing a lot of things. PowerPC doesn't have much value 
any longer. IBM will be fine without it. I wouldn't capitalize ARM 
right now.



    Yes. With the PPC, they have been pioneers in the RISC technology 
and they might well have recognized the superiority of RISC-V and 
decided to take the lead of the race to produce RISC-V chips.


    Didier

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Re: [DNG] IBM Gives Away PowerPC; Goes Open Source

2019-08-30 Thread Bruce Perens via Dng
RISC-V is changing a lot of things. PowerPC doesn't have much value any
longer. IBM will be fine without it. I wouldn't capitalize ARM right now.

Disclaimer: Since I am part running a venture fund these days, SEC won't
let me say what I'm actually invested in to you lowly non-accredited
investors, but it might be a company on one side or the other of this
argument. Where the first amendment fits in this I am still unclear.

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 12:53 PM Simon Hobson 
wrote:

> Didier Kryn  wrote:
>
> > Therefore it means IBM doesn't care anymore in PowerPc arch ... That's
> what I fear, actually.
>
> I don't think it means that. It's clear that PowerPC is stuck as a niche
> architecture. The only way out of that is to get lots of people using it -
> and making it freely available is one way towards that. You only need to
> look at a few examples to see that :
>
> USB vs FireWire. Firewire was very significantly better in many respects
> than USB, but it was expensive to implement because Apple were greedy over
> royalties. The inferior USB was really cheap to implement and took over.
>
> ARM. They licensed it widely for modest amounts, and it's been widely
> implemented instead of other architectures.
>
> For IBM, it could be a shrewd move to get more people using the platform,
> and thus boost it's popularity, and thus boost both the availability of
> hardware and choice of software to run on it. The Intel approach is to try
> and have all of the cake; this could be a move to make the cake much
> bigger, and thus make a slice of it bigger.
> IFF it works, they'll significantly expand the PowerPC market - and while
> they'll have a smaller share of it, they'll actually make more money.
>
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Re: [DNG] IBM Gives Away PowerPC; Goes Open Source

2019-08-30 Thread Simon Hobson
Didier Kryn  wrote:

> Therefore it means IBM doesn't care anymore in PowerPc arch ... That's what I 
> fear, actually.

I don't think it means that. It's clear that PowerPC is stuck as a niche 
architecture. The only way out of that is to get lots of people using it - and 
making it freely available is one way towards that. You only need to look at a 
few examples to see that :

USB vs FireWire. Firewire was very significantly better in many respects than 
USB, but it was expensive to implement because Apple were greedy over 
royalties. The inferior USB was really cheap to implement and took over.

ARM. They licensed it widely for modest amounts, and it's been widely 
implemented instead of other architectures.

For IBM, it could be a shrewd move to get more people using the platform, and 
thus boost it's popularity, and thus boost both the availability of hardware 
and choice of software to run on it. The Intel approach is to try and have all 
of the cake; this could be a move to make the cake much bigger, and thus make a 
slice of it bigger.
IFF it works, they'll significantly expand the PowerPC market - and while 
they'll have a smaller share of it, they'll actually make more money.

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