Re: [DNG] PHP question

[Curtis Maurand via Dng]

Thank you.  I have set that up for my next server which is under 
construction.  I had actually used the top part of the the sury readme 
about downloading the key to the keyring and adding the "[signed by 
...]" statement with changes made for my setup and for 
pkg.tdrnetworks.com, but yes, I added their repository.  It works 
great.  super excited that there is a viable solution.


Thanks again,

Curtis

On 6/24/22 01:00, Miki via Dng wrote:

Hi,

I've been using this packages for a while without any issues: 
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=34499#p34499


They are maintaining a rebuild of sury php sources without systemd 
dependency.


|apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 
 --recv 1CC02413BFF88108 |### PHP 
Rebuilds for Devuan Chimaera deb 
https://pkgs.tdrnetworks.com/apt/devuan chimaera main deb-src 
https://pkgs.tdrnetworks.com/apt/devuan chimaera main||


Miki

Missatge de Curtis Maurand via Dng  del dia dj., 
23 de juny 2022 a les 17:49:


Hello,

I've been running Devuan on my break even public facing webhosting
system for several years.  I've been using ISPConfig and the debian
perfect server instructions with adjustments for Devuan.  I'm up to
Devuan Beowulf at the moment and trying to go to chimaera so that
I can
get PHP 7.4 support.  I'm happy to build a new server and migrate
sites
from Beowulf to Chimaera except that PHP 7.4 goes end of life at
the end
of November of this year.  The current versions PHP are 8.0 and 8.1.

Using the instructions at packages.sury.org
, I am able to add the other
versions of PHP except for PHPN.n-fpm due to a (what seems to be a
completely unnecessary) dependence upon systemd.

I would love to keep running Devuan.  It runs way better than
anything
systemd based.  Is there a workaround for this limitation? I've tried
installing the package from chimaera, but it's a couple of minor
revisions behind sury.org . It also seems to need
a version of libc6
greater than or equal to x.xx.

As a web hoster I need to be able to deploy multiple versions of
PHP and
I don't see very advanced support for it in Devuan. Developers
need to
test PHP 8 as it's different enough to cause trouble for apps written
intending to run on version 7.4


Trying not to install ubuntu,

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Re: [DNG] PHP question

[Miki via Dng]

Hi,

I've been using this packages for a while without any issues:
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=34499#p34499

They are maintaining a rebuild of sury php sources without systemd
dependency.

apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv 1CC02413BFF88108

### PHP Rebuilds for Devuan Chimaera
deb https://pkgs.tdrnetworks.com/apt/devuan chimaera main
deb-src https://pkgs.tdrnetworks.com/apt/devuan chimaera main


Miki

Missatge de Curtis Maurand via Dng  del dia dj., 23 de
juny 2022 a les 17:49:

> Hello,
>
> I've been running Devuan on my break even public facing webhosting
> system for several years.  I've been using ISPConfig and the debian
> perfect server instructions with adjustments for Devuan.  I'm up to
> Devuan Beowulf at the moment and trying to go to chimaera so that I can
> get PHP 7.4 support.  I'm happy to build a new server and migrate sites
> from Beowulf to Chimaera except that PHP 7.4 goes end of life at the end
> of November of this year.  The current versions PHP are 8.0 and 8.1.
>
> Using the instructions at packages.sury.org, I am able to add the other
> versions of PHP except for PHPN.n-fpm due to a (what seems to be a
> completely unnecessary) dependence upon systemd.
>
> I would love to keep running Devuan.  It runs way better than anything
> systemd based.  Is there a workaround for this limitation?  I've tried
> installing the package from chimaera, but it's a couple of minor
> revisions behind sury.org. It also seems to need a version of libc6
> greater than or equal to x.xx.
>
> As a web hoster I need to be able to deploy multiple versions of PHP and
> I don't see very advanced support for it in Devuan. Developers need to
> test PHP 8 as it's different enough to cause trouble for apps written
> intending to run on version 7.4
>
>
> Trying not to install ubuntu,
>
> --Curtis
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Re: [DNG] PHP question

[Curtis Maurand via Dng]

Thank  you all for your help.  Sorry for the delay in response. I had a 
hardware issue to deal with, yesterday.  All is well. I've been reading 
all of the suggestions that were sent.  I will keep you posted with what 
I come up with.


--Curtis

On 6/23/22 14:57, Rod Rodolico via Dng wrote:
sury breaks devuan since the maintainer decided to use systemd 
specific libraries to create a temp file. instead, use tdrnetworks, 
which is basically sury, but gets rid of that dependency.


See
https://kb.unixservertech.com/unix/linux/debian/devuan_sury
for complete information.

I'm running Devuan with ISPConfig3 also.

Rod

On 6/23/22 10:49, Curtis Maurand via Dng wrote:

Hello,

I've been running Devuan on my break even public facing webhosting 
system for several years.  I've been using ISPConfig and the debian 
perfect server instructions with adjustments for Devuan.  I'm up to 
Devuan Beowulf at the moment and trying to go to chimaera so that I 
can get PHP 7.4 support.  I'm happy to build a new server and migrate 
sites from Beowulf to Chimaera except that PHP 7.4 goes end of life 
at the end of November of this year.  The current versions PHP are 
8.0 and 8.1.


Using the instructions at packages.sury.org, I am able to add the 
other versions of PHP except for PHPN.n-fpm due to a (what seems to 
be a completely unnecessary) dependence upon systemd.


I would love to keep running Devuan.  It runs way better than 
anything systemd based.  Is there a workaround for this limitation?  
I've tried installing the package from chimaera, but it's a couple of 
minor revisions behind sury.org. It also seems to need a version of 
libc6 greater than or equal to x.xx.


As a web hoster I need to be able to deploy multiple versions of PHP 
and I don't see very advanced support for it in Devuan. Developers 
need to test PHP 8 as it's different enough to cause trouble for apps 
written intending to run on version 7.4



Trying not to install ubuntu,

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Re: [DNG] PHP question

[Rod Rodolico via Dng]

sury breaks devuan since the maintainer decided to use systemd specific 
libraries to create a temp file. instead, use tdrnetworks, which is 
basically sury, but gets rid of that dependency.


See
https://kb.unixservertech.com/unix/linux/debian/devuan_sury
for complete information.

I'm running Devuan with ISPConfig3 also.

Rod

On 6/23/22 10:49, Curtis Maurand via Dng wrote:

Hello,

I've been running Devuan on my break even public facing webhosting 
system for several years.  I've been using ISPConfig and the debian 
perfect server instructions with adjustments for Devuan.  I'm up to 
Devuan Beowulf at the moment and trying to go to chimaera so that I can 
get PHP 7.4 support.  I'm happy to build a new server and migrate sites 
from Beowulf to Chimaera except that PHP 7.4 goes end of life at the end 
of November of this year.  The current versions PHP are 8.0 and 8.1.


Using the instructions at packages.sury.org, I am able to add the other 
versions of PHP except for PHPN.n-fpm due to a (what seems to be a 
completely unnecessary) dependence upon systemd.


I would love to keep running Devuan.  It runs way better than anything 
systemd based.  Is there a workaround for this limitation?  I've tried 
installing the package from chimaera, but it's a couple of minor 
revisions behind sury.org. It also seems to need a version of libc6 
greater than or equal to x.xx.


As a web hoster I need to be able to deploy multiple versions of PHP and 
I don't see very advanced support for it in Devuan. Developers need to 
test PHP 8 as it's different enough to cause trouble for apps written 
intending to run on version 7.4



Trying not to install ubuntu,

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Re: [DNG] PHP question

[Ken Dibble]

I don't know anything about php.
The only thing I know about this is that I found it on Github.

https://github.com/dimkr/nosystem

Regards,
Ken

On 6/23/22 11:49, Curtis Maurand via Dng wrote:

Hello,

I've been running Devuan on my break even public facing webhosting 
system for several years.  I've been using ISPConfig and the debian 
perfect server instructions with adjustments for Devuan. I'm up to 
Devuan Beowulf at the moment and trying to go to chimaera so that I 
can get PHP 7.4 support.  I'm happy to build a new server and migrate 
sites from Beowulf to Chimaera except that PHP 7.4 goes end of life at 
the end of November of this year.  The current versions PHP are 8.0 
and 8.1.


Using the instructions at packages.sury.org, I am able to add the 
other versions of PHP except for PHPN.n-fpm due to a (what seems to be 
a completely unnecessary) dependence upon systemd.


I would love to keep running Devuan.  It runs way better than anything 
systemd based.  Is there a workaround for this limitation?  I've tried 
installing the package from chimaera, but it's a couple of minor 
revisions behind sury.org. It also seems to need a version of libc6 
greater than or equal to x.xx.


As a web hoster I need to be able to deploy multiple versions of PHP 
and I don't see very advanced support for it in Devuan. Developers 
need to test PHP 8 as it's different enough to cause trouble for apps 
written intending to run on version 7.4



Trying not to install ubuntu,

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Re: [DNG] PHP question

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On 23-06-2022 17:49, Curtis Maurand via Dng wrote:

Hello,

I've been running Devuan on my break even public facing webhosting 
system for several years.  I've been using ISPConfig and the debian 
perfect server instructions with adjustments for Devuan. I'm up to 
Devuan Beowulf at the moment and trying to go to chimaera so that I 
can get PHP 7.4 support.  I'm happy to build a new server and migrate 
sites from Beowulf to Chimaera except that PHP 7.4 goes end of life at 
the end of November of this year.  The current versions PHP are 8.0 
and 8.1.


Using the instructions at packages.sury.org, I am able to add the 
other versions of PHP except for PHPN.n-fpm due to a (what seems to be 
a completely unnecessary) dependence upon systemd.


I would love to keep running Devuan.  It runs way better than anything 
systemd based.  Is there a workaround for this limitation?  I've tried 
installing the package from chimaera, but it's a couple of minor 
revisions behind sury.org. It also seems to need a version of libc6 
greater than or equal to x.xx.


As a web hoster I need to be able to deploy multiple versions of PHP 
and I don't see very advanced support for it in Devuan. Developers 
need to test PHP 8 as it's different enough to cause trouble for apps 
written intending to run on version 7.4



Trying not to install ubuntu,

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I am running PHP in docker containers for the purpose of running 
multiple versions simultaneous. Docker works just fine on Devuan. And if 
docker does not work for you can look for the PHP start command in the 
docker container which does not have systemd dependencies afaik.


Grtz

Nick

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Re: [DNG] PHP question

[Antony Stone]

On Thursday 23 June 2022 at 17:49:03, Curtis Maurand via Dng wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I've been running Devuan on my break even public facing webhosting
> system for several years.  I've been using ISPConfig and the debian
> perfect server instructions with adjustments for Devuan.  I'm up to
> Devuan Beowulf at the moment and trying to go to chimaera so that I can
> get PHP 7.4 support.  I'm happy to build a new server and migrate sites
> from Beowulf to Chimaera except that PHP 7.4 goes end of life at the end
> of November of this year.  The current versions PHP are 8.0 and 8.1.
> 
> Using the instructions at packages.sury.org, I am able to add the other
> versions of PHP except for PHPN.n-fpm due to a (what seems to be a
> completely unnecessary) dependence upon systemd.

I ran into something similar when installing FreeSwitch under Devuan.

That had a specific dependency on 'freeswitch-systemd' which in turn had a 
dependency on 'systemd'.

Looking at 'freeswitch-systemd' it turned out simply to be the systemd unit 
file (and perhaps some associated stuff, but certainly nothing I wanted to 
have), so I found out how to use "equivs" and built my own package named 
'freeswitch-systemd' simply to fulfil the dependency and allow me to install 
the rest of FreeSwitch.

Many thanks to Nikolaus Klepp on this list for introducing me to that tool:

https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20210819.162944.34afeba7.en.html

Maybe you can do the same?  Look in detail at precisely what dependencies 
there are, and whether you can fool the installer into thinking you already 
have one of the packages it needs, and therefore it can go ahead and install 
the rest.

http://retinal.dehy.de/docs/doku.php?id=technotes:freeswitch may also help 
you.


Antony.

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[DNG] PHP question

[Curtis Maurand via Dng]

Hello,

I've been running Devuan on my break even public facing webhosting 
system for several years.  I've been using ISPConfig and the debian 
perfect server instructions with adjustments for Devuan.  I'm up to 
Devuan Beowulf at the moment and trying to go to chimaera so that I can 
get PHP 7.4 support.  I'm happy to build a new server and migrate sites 
from Beowulf to Chimaera except that PHP 7.4 goes end of life at the end 
of November of this year.  The current versions PHP are 8.0 and 8.1.


Using the instructions at packages.sury.org, I am able to add the other 
versions of PHP except for PHPN.n-fpm due to a (what seems to be a 
completely unnecessary) dependence upon systemd.


I would love to keep running Devuan.  It runs way better than anything 
systemd based.  Is there a workaround for this limitation?  I've tried 
installing the package from chimaera, but it's a couple of minor 
revisions behind sury.org. It also seems to need a version of libc6 
greater than or equal to x.xx.


As a web hoster I need to be able to deploy multiple versions of PHP and 
I don't see very advanced support for it in Devuan. Developers need to 
test PHP 8 as it's different enough to cause trouble for apps written 
intending to run on version 7.4



Trying not to install ubuntu,

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