[DNG] The perversion continues

[Steve Litt]

Hi all,

I still monitor debian-user. Today on that mailing list a guy asked how
to get network connectivity while using Openbox, and guesses (I have a
feeling correctly) that it's a dhcp problem. He wants to know how to
get dhcp running with Openbox --- it ran with Xfce.

Yes indeedee, I'm pretty sure that now Debian is one of those distros
that doesn't network connect until the desktop environment is running.

Which is some of the worst perversion I've heard to date. Last time I
heard, network connectivity is part of the core OS, not part of the
user interface.

By the way, if any of you just wants to connect to a specific IP
address, here's my always-works, distro-agnostic script to do it:

===
#!/bin/bash
ip link set dev enp3s0 down
ip addr add 192.168.100.2/24 dev enp3s0
ip link set dev enp3s0 up
ip route add default via 192.168.100.96
===

Obviously, change enp3s0 to the interface of choice (which can be
deduced by a shellscript calling ip link), and change the ip address
and route to what you want. This script can be run very early in the
boot. With this script, you can forget about every distro's
idiosyncratic way of specifying network connections, and just get it
done.

SteveT

Steve Litt 
January 2016 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting
http://www.troubleshooters.com/28


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Re: [DNG] The perversion continues

[Edward Bartolo]

Hi Steve,

Oh come on Steve,

Every modern computer user should know terminals are past their era:
beautiful, appealing to the eye desktops is the way to go. Terminals
are like using a handtool where a powertool can be used effortlessly
and more efficiently.
[/sarcasm]

Yes, I agree with you, the cancer continues to spread unabated.

Edward



On 18/01/2016, Steve Litt  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I still monitor debian-user. Today on that mailing list a guy asked how
> to get network connectivity while using Openbox, and guesses (I have a
> feeling correctly) that it's a dhcp problem. He wants to know how to
> get dhcp running with Openbox --- it ran with Xfce.
>
> Yes indeedee, I'm pretty sure that now Debian is one of those distros
> that doesn't network connect until the desktop environment is running.
>
> Which is some of the worst perversion I've heard to date. Last time I
> heard, network connectivity is part of the core OS, not part of the
> user interface.
>
> By the way, if any of you just wants to connect to a specific IP
> address, here's my always-works, distro-agnostic script to do it:
>
> ===
> #!/bin/bash
> ip link set dev enp3s0 down
> ip addr add 192.168.100.2/24 dev enp3s0
> ip link set dev enp3s0 up
> ip route add default via 192.168.100.96
> ===
>
> Obviously, change enp3s0 to the interface of choice (which can be
> deduced by a shellscript calling ip link), and change the ip address
> and route to what you want. This script can be run very early in the
> boot. With this script, you can forget about every distro's
> idiosyncratic way of specifying network connections, and just get it
> done.
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
> January 2016 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting
> http://www.troubleshooters.com/28
>
>
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Re: [DNG] The perversion continues

[Ozi Traveller]

There's certainly a pause when boot, if my modem hasn't quite connected.

And if I start the modem first, so it's connected properly, then it just
boots.

:(

Ozi

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 6:07 AM, Edward Bartolo  wrote:

> Hi Steve,
>
> Oh come on Steve,
>
> Every modern computer user should know terminals are past their era:
> beautiful, appealing to the eye desktops is the way to go. Terminals
> are like using a handtool where a powertool can be used effortlessly
> and more efficiently.
> [/sarcasm]
>
> Yes, I agree with you, the cancer continues to spread unabated.
>
> Edward
>
>
>
> On 18/01/2016, Steve Litt  wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I still monitor debian-user. Today on that mailing list a guy asked how
> > to get network connectivity while using Openbox, and guesses (I have a
> > feeling correctly) that it's a dhcp problem. He wants to know how to
> > get dhcp running with Openbox --- it ran with Xfce.
> >
> > Yes indeedee, I'm pretty sure that now Debian is one of those distros
> > that doesn't network connect until the desktop environment is running.
> >
> > Which is some of the worst perversion I've heard to date. Last time I
> > heard, network connectivity is part of the core OS, not part of the
> > user interface.
> >
> > By the way, if any of you just wants to connect to a specific IP
> > address, here's my always-works, distro-agnostic script to do it:
> >
> > ===
> > #!/bin/bash
> > ip link set dev enp3s0 down
> > ip addr add 192.168.100.2/24 dev enp3s0
> > ip link set dev enp3s0 up
> > ip route add default via 192.168.100.96
> > ===
> >
> > Obviously, change enp3s0 to the interface of choice (which can be
> > deduced by a shellscript calling ip link), and change the ip address
> > and route to what you want. This script can be run very early in the
> > boot. With this script, you can forget about every distro's
> > idiosyncratic way of specifying network connections, and just get it
> > done.
> >
> > SteveT
> >
> > Steve Litt
> > January 2016 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting
> > http://www.troubleshooters.com/28
> >
> >
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Re: [DNG] The perversion continues

[Nate Bargmann]

I scanned that thread at first and my thought was that Network Manager
wasn't being started when he loaded OpenBox.  I thought that once
configured that NM will have a network connection before its GUI
component is even loaded.

- Nate

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