Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[aitor_czr]

Hi fsmithred,

El 23/05/16 a las 18:01, aitor_czr escribió:



El 23/05/16 a las 14:00, fsmithred  escribió:

I installed using the devuan installer at the boot menu. The first time, I
chose a root password. When I booted into the new installation, I could
log in as user, but I could not su to root and could not use sudo. Logging
in as root did not work, either.


You are right, i' try to fix this issue today. In Gnuinos i always 
include:


d-i passwd/root-login boolean false

in the preseed.cfg file, because i use to leave the root password blank.

Thanks your raising it :)

  Aitor.


I solved this issue hacking "users-setup-udeb".

Shortly i will rebuild the installers :)

Cheers,

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[aitor_czr]

Hi frs,

El 23/05/16 a las 19:13, fsmithred escribió:

Modified refractasnapshot to make a snapshot of a system other than the
one you're running. The snapshotted system only needs live-boot* and
live-config* packages installed. The refractasnapshot deps and the script
only need to be installed on the host system.

Works on a mounted filesystem or a directory where you did a debootstrap
install. It does not ask any questions - all variables are hard-coded, so
it can run automatically.

It assumes that you have refractasnapshot and its dependencies installed,
so it can use /usr/lib/refractasnapshot/iso as a source of files for the
isolinux directory in the live media. You can change that. Check the
variables in the head of the script before you run it.

Here's the script and the excludes list.
https://gist.github.com/fsmithred/87b68418207daf095efc6b3cd0aea05d
https://gist.github.com/fsmithred/9a4ee2b152f637f0fc6d3af269ca23ec

This should make the micro image even smaller and save you from removing
some packages at the end of the process. Feel free to adapt it to your needs.

-fsr


Thanks, but i removed all the dependencies. They are included in the iso 
image, in a folder "unnoficial-packages/refracta-tools" together with 
refractainstaller-base and refractasnapshot-base. They are the following:


isolinux libburn4 libisoburn1 libisofs6 libjte1 liblzo2-2 mtools
rsync squashfs-tools syslinux syslinux-common xorriso

Thanks again :)

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[fsmithred]

Modified refractasnapshot to make a snapshot of a system other than the
one you're running. The snapshotted system only needs live-boot* and
live-config* packages installed. The refractasnapshot deps and the script
only need to be installed on the host system.

Works on a mounted filesystem or a directory where you did a debootstrap
install. It does not ask any questions - all variables are hard-coded, so
it can run automatically.

It assumes that you have refractasnapshot and its dependencies installed,
so it can use /usr/lib/refractasnapshot/iso as a source of files for the
isolinux directory in the live media. You can change that. Check the
variables in the head of the script before you run it.

Here's the script and the excludes list.
https://gist.github.com/fsmithred/87b68418207daf095efc6b3cd0aea05d
https://gist.github.com/fsmithred/9a4ee2b152f637f0fc6d3af269ca23ec

This should make the micro image even smaller and save you from removing
some packages at the end of the process. Feel free to adapt it to your needs.

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[aitor_czr]

El 23/05/16 a las 14:00, fsmithred  escribió:

I installed using the devuan installer at the boot menu. The first time, I
chose a root password. When I booted into the new installation, I could
log in as user, but I could not su to root and could not use sudo. Logging
in as root did not work, either.


You are right, i' try to fix this issue today. In Gnuinos i always 
include:


d-i passwd/root-login boolean false

in the preseed.cfg file, because i use to leave the root password blank.

Thanks your raising it :)

  Aitor.


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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[Ismael L. Donis Garcia]

Thank you for all your work.


| ISMAEL |



  - Original Message - 
  From: aitor_czr 
  To: KatolaZ ; Rainer Weikusat ; dng 
  Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 4:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images



  Hi all,

  El 21/05/16 a las 14:00, Didier Kryn <k...@in2p3.fr> escribió:

Le 21/05/2016 11:35, KatolaZ a écrit :
> On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 08:18:16AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
>
> [cut]
>
>>> version of the initramfs), but might be useful if you want to use the
>>> live image as a rescue cd, and boot into an existing / on your
>>> drive. Not necessary. Maybe useful.
>>  The disk controllers need to be on the live cd for sure, but why
>> in the initramfs?
> Only if you want to boot to an existing partition, which is something
> that I would like to support anyway.
 OK, I didn't catch that. Means you don't boot to the cdrom and 
interrupt the initramfs script to ask it to mount the other disk instead?

>
>>>> rebuild the kernel with those drivers statically linked and boot
>>>> directly to the cdrom without and initramfs.
>>>>
>>> Oh, sure we could. But my point is to use standard packages from the
>>> Devuan repo, without too much of customising/recompiling.
>>  I was just thinking of a minimal hack: starting from Devuan's
>> kernel config, just change a few drivers' build-mode from module to
>> static. After all, do you think it's more of a hack than stripping
>> the initramfs? But I admit it's a different journey than the one you
>> have undertaken.
>>
> That would be possible, but maybe it will not be needed, since the
> initrd is currently under 7MB anyway, and the "micro" version might be
> as small as 5 MB. The problem now might be the kernel itself, whose
> size (when decompressed) is of the same order of the initrd :) But I
> won't dig in that direction, for the moment
>
>>>   Otherwise we
>>> could also recompile everything with uclibc, as done in other minimal
>>> distro, and have a truly microscopic userland, but that would be
>>> *another* distribution, not a Devuan ;)
>>>
>>  Musl libc is already a serious challenge :-) Uclibc a nightmare,
>> too incompatible with glibc.
>>
>>  Sorry if I look harsh, providing recommendations to people who
>> do the real job :-) ideas come out of the conversation and I just
>> like to share them with knowledgeable people.
>>
> Among adults, receiving honest and "harsh" comments, and reflecting on
> them, is the most effective and productive way to improve on your
> work. Saying that everything is cool and smooth and perfect has never
> saved the world, or changed things. So thank you again for your
> comments, which are very much appreciated and will be taken into
> account seriously, and please feel free to fire at me any thought as
> you have done so far :)
>
>
 Thanks for your words, and for Devuan at all... I'm going to 
install beta on a desktop today :-)
  I rebuilt KatolaZ's distribution doing some minor changes: I added deborphan, 
firmware-linux-free and ntp... I also removed the refracta tools from the 
filesystem.squashfs, including them in devuan-installer together with the 
backend of simple-netaid as optional unofficial packages of Devuan, in a *udeb* 
package named "unofficial-packages-udeb".

  Installing the backend of simple-netaid, you will be able to connect to eth0 
typing:

  /usr/lib/simple-netaid/bin/backend 9 eth0

  Here you are the download zone:

  http://gnuinos.org/devuan/

  Following Jaromil's suggestions, I added the package_list including the 
versions of the installed packages.

  Cheers,

Aitor.



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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[fsmithred]

On 05/22/2016 06:33 PM, aitor_czr wrote:
> Hi fsr,
> 
> El 22/05/16 a las 23:41, fsmithred escribió:
>> On 05/22/2016 04:17 PM, aitor_czr wrote:
>>> >
>>> >I rebuilt KatolaZ's distribution doing some minor changes: I added
>>> >deborphan, firmware-linux-free and ntp... I also removed the refracta
>>> >tools from the filesystem.squashfs, including them in devuan-installer
>>> >together with the backend of simple-netaid as optional unofficial
>>> packages
>>> >of Devuan, in a*udeb*  package named "unofficial-packages-udeb".
>>> >
>>> >Installing the backend of simple-netaid, you will be able to connect to
>>> >eth0 typing:
>>> >
>>> >/usr/lib/simple-netaid/bin/backend 9 eth0
>>> >
>>> >Here you are the download zone:
>>> >
>>> >http://gnuinos.org/devuan/
>>> >
>>> >Following Jaromil's suggestions, I added the package_list including the
>>> >versions of the installed packages.
>>> >
>>> >Cheers,
>>> >
>>> >   Aitor.
>>> >
>> What are the passwords? I'm not getting auto-login when I add
>> 'components=keyboard-layouts keyboard-layouts=en' to the boot command. And
>> I'm lost if I don't add that.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -fsr
>>
> 
> I also customized live-config. So, you don't need any password during
> live-sessions. Root's password also has been removed. The live-user has
> sudo permissions. These changes are required for d-i :)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
>   Aitor.
> 

Aitor,

I installed using the devuan installer at the boot menu. The first time, I
chose a root password. When I booted into the new installation, I could
log in as user, but I could not su to root and could not use sudo. Logging
in as root did not work, either.

On the second install, I left the root password blank. When I booted into
the new system, I could log in as user and use sudo.

-fsr

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[fsmithred]

On 05/22/2016 06:33 PM, aitor_czr wrote:
> Hi fsr,
> 
> El 22/05/16 a las 23:41, fsmithred escribió:
>> On 05/22/2016 04:17 PM, aitor_czr wrote:
>>> >
>>> >I rebuilt KatolaZ's distribution doing some minor changes: I added
>>> >deborphan, firmware-linux-free and ntp... I also removed the refracta
>>> >tools from the filesystem.squashfs, including them in devuan-installer
>>> >together with the backend of simple-netaid as optional unofficial
>>> packages
>>> >of Devuan, in a*udeb*  package named "unofficial-packages-udeb".
>>> >
>>> >Installing the backend of simple-netaid, you will be able to connect to
>>> >eth0 typing:
>>> >
>>> >/usr/lib/simple-netaid/bin/backend 9 eth0
>>> >
>>> >Here you are the download zone:
>>> >
>>> >http://gnuinos.org/devuan/
>>> >
>>> >Following Jaromil's suggestions, I added the package_list including the
>>> >versions of the installed packages.
>>> >
>>> >Cheers,
>>> >
>>> >   Aitor.
>>> >
>> What are the passwords? I'm not getting auto-login when I add
>> 'components=keyboard-layouts keyboard-layouts=en' to the boot command. And
>> I'm lost if I don't add that.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -fsr
>>
> 
> I also customized live-config. So, you don't need any password during
> live-sessions. Root's password also has been removed. The live-user has
> sudo permissions. These changes are required for d-i :)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
>   Aitor.
> 

I found the hyphen ok, but where is the pipe key? What keyboard
configuration is used, so I can look up a map?

-fsr

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[KatolaZ]

On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 06:32:14PM -0400, fsmithred wrote:

[cut]

> 
> n/m, I found KatolaZ's post where he lists the password. They are exactly
> what I thought they were, but they don't work for me when I set the
> keyboard at boot.
> 
> I'm installing it now. That seems to be working correctly.
> 

Hi,

the password are also indicated in thw webpage http://devuan.kalos.mine.nu

  devuan/devuan
  root/toor

A new version of the images is on its way right now. Smaller
initrd. Smaller memory footprint. Many more packages. Same image size
;)

StayTuned

KatolaZ

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[aitor_czr]

Hi fsr,

El 22/05/16 a las 23:41, fsmithred escribió:

On 05/22/2016 04:17 PM, aitor_czr wrote:

>
>I rebuilt KatolaZ's distribution doing some minor changes: I added
>deborphan, firmware-linux-free and ntp... I also removed the refracta
>tools from the filesystem.squashfs, including them in devuan-installer
>together with the backend of simple-netaid as optional unofficial packages
>of Devuan, in a*udeb*  package named "unofficial-packages-udeb".
>
>Installing the backend of simple-netaid, you will be able to connect to
>eth0 typing:
>
>/usr/lib/simple-netaid/bin/backend 9 eth0
>
>Here you are the download zone:
>
>http://gnuinos.org/devuan/
>
>Following Jaromil's suggestions, I added the package_list including the
>versions of the installed packages.
>
>Cheers,
>
>   Aitor.
>

What are the passwords? I'm not getting auto-login when I add
'components=keyboard-layouts keyboard-layouts=en' to the boot command. And
I'm lost if I don't add that.

Thanks,
-fsr



I also customized live-config. So, you don't need any password during 
live-sessions. Root's password also has been removed. The live-user has 
sudo permissions. These changes are required for d-i :)


Cheers,

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[fsmithred]

On 05/22/2016 05:41 PM, fsmithred wrote:
> On 05/22/2016 04:17 PM, aitor_czr wrote:
>>
>> I rebuilt KatolaZ's distribution doing some minor changes: I added
>> deborphan, firmware-linux-free and ntp... I also removed the refracta
>> tools from the filesystem.squashfs, including them in devuan-installer
>> together with the backend of simple-netaid as optional unofficial packages
>> of Devuan, in a *udeb* package named "unofficial-packages-udeb".
>>
>> Installing the backend of simple-netaid, you will be able to connect to
>> eth0 typing:
>>
>> /usr/lib/simple-netaid/bin/backend 9 eth0
>>
>> Here you are the download zone:
>>
>> http://gnuinos.org/devuan/
>>
>> Following Jaromil's suggestions, I added the package_list including the
>> versions of the installed packages.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>   Aitor.
>>
> 
> What are the passwords? I'm not getting auto-login when I add
> 'components=keyboard-layouts keyboard-layouts=en' to the boot command. And
> I'm lost if I don't add that.
> 
> Thanks,
> -fsr
> 

n/m, I found KatolaZ's post where he lists the password. They are exactly
what I thought they were, but they don't work for me when I set the
keyboard at boot.

I'm installing it now. That seems to be working correctly.

-fsr

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[fsmithred]

On 05/22/2016 04:17 PM, aitor_czr wrote:
> 
> I rebuilt KatolaZ's distribution doing some minor changes: I added
> deborphan, firmware-linux-free and ntp... I also removed the refracta
> tools from the filesystem.squashfs, including them in devuan-installer
> together with the backend of simple-netaid as optional unofficial packages
> of Devuan, in a *udeb* package named "unofficial-packages-udeb".
> 
> Installing the backend of simple-netaid, you will be able to connect to
> eth0 typing:
> 
> /usr/lib/simple-netaid/bin/backend 9 eth0
> 
> Here you are the download zone:
> 
> http://gnuinos.org/devuan/
> 
> Following Jaromil's suggestions, I added the package_list including the
> versions of the installed packages.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
>   Aitor.
> 

What are the passwords? I'm not getting auto-login when I add
'components=keyboard-layouts keyboard-layouts=en' to the boot command. And
I'm lost if I don't add that.

Thanks,
-fsr

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[aitor_czr]

El 22/05/16 a las 22:17, aitor_czr escribió:


Hi all,

El 21/05/16 a las 14:00, Didier Kryn  escribió:

Le 21/05/2016 11:35, KatolaZ a écrit :

>On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 08:18:16AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
>
>[cut]
>

>>>version of the initramfs), but might be useful if you want to use the
>>>live image as a rescue cd, and boot into an existing / on your
>>>drive. Not necessary. Maybe useful.

>>  The disk controllers need to be on the live cd for sure, but why
>>in the initramfs?

>Only if you want to boot to an existing partition, which is something
>that I would like to support anyway.

  OK, I didn't catch that. Means you don't boot to the cdrom and
interrupt the initramfs script to ask it to mount the other disk instead?


>

rebuild the kernel with those drivers statically linked and boot
directly to the cdrom without and initramfs.


>>>Oh, sure we could. But my point is to use standard packages from the
>>>Devuan repo, without too much of customising/recompiling.

>>  I was just thinking of a minimal hack: starting from Devuan's
>>kernel config, just change a few drivers' build-mode from module to
>>static. After all, do you think it's more of a hack than stripping
>>the initramfs? But I admit it's a different journey than the one you
>>have undertaken.
>>

>That would be possible, but maybe it will not be needed, since the
>initrd is currently under 7MB anyway, and the "micro" version might be
>as small as 5 MB. The problem now might be the kernel itself, whose
>size (when decompressed) is of the same order of the initrd:)  But I
>won't dig in that direction, for the moment
>

>>>   Otherwise we
>>>could also recompile everything with uclibc, as done in other minimal
>>>distro, and have a truly microscopic userland, but that would be
>>>*another*  distribution, not a Devuan;)
>>>

>>  Musl libc is already a serious challenge:-)  Uclibc a nightmare,
>>too incompatible with glibc.
>>
>>  Sorry if I look harsh, providing recommendations to people who
>>do the real job:-)  ideas come out of the conversation and I just
>>like to share them with knowledgeable people.
>>

>Among adults, receiving honest and "harsh" comments, and reflecting on
>them, is the most effective and productive way to improve on your
>work. Saying that everything is cool and smooth and perfect has never
>saved the world, or changed things. So thank you again for your
>comments, which are very much appreciated and will be taken into
>account seriously, and please feel free to fire at me any thought as
>you have done so far:)
>
>

  Thanks for your words, and for Devuan at all... I'm going to
install beta on a desktop today:-)


I rebuilt KatolaZ's distribution doing some minor changes: I added 
deborphan, firmware-linux-free and ntp... I also removed the refracta 
tools from the filesystem.squashfs, including them in devuan-installer 
together with the backend of simple-netaid as optional unofficial 
packages of Devuan, in a *udeb* package named "unofficial-packages-udeb".


Installing the backend of simple-netaid, you will be able to connect 
to eth0 typing:


/usr/lib/simple-netaid/bin/backend 9 eth0

Here you are the download zone:

http://gnuinos.org/devuan/

Following Jaromil's suggestions, I added the package_list including 
the versions of the installed packages.


Cheers,

  Aitor.


Now, i'll add linux-libre-4.x to Gnuinos :)

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[aitor_czr]

Hi all,

El 21/05/16 a las 14:00, Didier Kryn  escribió:

Le 21/05/2016 11:35, KatolaZ a écrit :

>On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 08:18:16AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
>
>[cut]
>

>>>version of the initramfs), but might be useful if you want to use the
>>>live image as a rescue cd, and boot into an existing / on your
>>>drive. Not necessary. Maybe useful.

>>  The disk controllers need to be on the live cd for sure, but why
>>in the initramfs?

>Only if you want to boot to an existing partition, which is something
>that I would like to support anyway.

  OK, I didn't catch that. Means you don't boot to the cdrom and
interrupt the initramfs script to ask it to mount the other disk instead?


>

rebuild the kernel with those drivers statically linked and boot
directly to the cdrom without and initramfs.


>>>Oh, sure we could. But my point is to use standard packages from the
>>>Devuan repo, without too much of customising/recompiling.

>>  I was just thinking of a minimal hack: starting from Devuan's
>>kernel config, just change a few drivers' build-mode from module to
>>static. After all, do you think it's more of a hack than stripping
>>the initramfs? But I admit it's a different journey than the one you
>>have undertaken.
>>

>That would be possible, but maybe it will not be needed, since the
>initrd is currently under 7MB anyway, and the "micro" version might be
>as small as 5 MB. The problem now might be the kernel itself, whose
>size (when decompressed) is of the same order of the initrd:)  But I
>won't dig in that direction, for the moment
>

>>>   Otherwise we
>>>could also recompile everything with uclibc, as done in other minimal
>>>distro, and have a truly microscopic userland, but that would be
>>>*another*  distribution, not a Devuan;)
>>>

>>  Musl libc is already a serious challenge:-)  Uclibc a nightmare,
>>too incompatible with glibc.
>>
>>  Sorry if I look harsh, providing recommendations to people who
>>do the real job:-)  ideas come out of the conversation and I just
>>like to share them with knowledgeable people.
>>

>Among adults, receiving honest and "harsh" comments, and reflecting on
>them, is the most effective and productive way to improve on your
>work. Saying that everything is cool and smooth and perfect has never
>saved the world, or changed things. So thank you again for your
>comments, which are very much appreciated and will be taken into
>account seriously, and please feel free to fire at me any thought as
>you have done so far:)
>
>

  Thanks for your words, and for Devuan at all... I'm going to
install beta on a desktop today:-)


I rebuilt KatolaZ's distribution doing some minor changes: I added 
deborphan, firmware-linux-free and ntp... I also removed the refracta 
tools from the filesystem.squashfs, including them in devuan-installer 
together with the backend of simple-netaid as optional unofficial 
packages of Devuan, in a *udeb* package named "unofficial-packages-udeb".


Installing the backend of simple-netaid, you will be able to connect to 
eth0 typing:


/usr/lib/simple-netaid/bin/backend 9 eth0

Here you are the download zone:

http://gnuinos.org/devuan/

Following Jaromil's suggestions, I added the package_list including the 
versions of the installed packages.


Cheers,

  Aitor.
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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[Didier Kryn]

Le 21/05/2016 11:35, KatolaZ a écrit :

On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 08:18:16AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:

[cut]


version of the initramfs), but might be useful if you want to use the
live image as a rescue cd, and boot into an existing / on your
drive. Not necessary. Maybe useful.

 The disk controllers need to be on the live cd for sure, but why
in the initramfs?

Only if you want to boot to an existing partition, which is something
that I would like to support anyway.


OK, I didn't catch that. Means you don't boot to the cdrom and 
interrupt the initramfs script to ask it to mount the other disk instead?





rebuild the kernel with those drivers statically linked and boot
directly to the cdrom without and initramfs.


Oh, sure we could. But my point is to use standard packages from the
Devuan repo, without too much of customising/recompiling.

 I was just thinking of a minimal hack: starting from Devuan's
kernel config, just change a few drivers' build-mode from module to
static. After all, do you think it's more of a hack than stripping
the initramfs? But I admit it's a different journey than the one you
have undertaken.


That would be possible, but maybe it will not be needed, since the
initrd is currently under 7MB anyway, and the "micro" version might be
as small as 5 MB. The problem now might be the kernel itself, whose
size (when decompressed) is of the same order of the initrd :) But I
won't dig in that direction, for the moment


  Otherwise we
could also recompile everything with uclibc, as done in other minimal
distro, and have a truly microscopic userland, but that would be
*another* distribution, not a Devuan ;)


 Musl libc is already a serious challenge :-) Uclibc a nightmare,
too incompatible with glibc.

 Sorry if I look harsh, providing recommendations to people who
do the real job :-) ideas come out of the conversation and I just
like to share them with knowledgeable people.


Among adults, receiving honest and "harsh" comments, and reflecting on
them, is the most effective and productive way to improve on your
work. Saying that everything is cool and smooth and perfect has never
saved the world, or changed things. So thank you again for your
comments, which are very much appreciated and will be taken into
account seriously, and please feel free to fire at me any thought as
you have done so far :)




Thanks for your words, and for Devuan at all... I'm going to 
install beta on a desktop today :-)


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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[KatolaZ]

On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 08:18:16AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:

[cut]

> >version of the initramfs), but might be useful if you want to use the
> >live image as a rescue cd, and boot into an existing / on your
> >drive. Not necessary. Maybe useful.
> The disk controllers need to be on the live cd for sure, but why
> in the initramfs?

Only if you want to boot to an existing partition, which is something
that I would like to support anyway.

> >
> >>rebuild the kernel with those drivers statically linked and boot
> >>directly to the cdrom without and initramfs.
> >>
> >Oh, sure we could. But my point is to use standard packages from the
> >Devuan repo, without too much of customising/recompiling.
> 
> I was just thinking of a minimal hack: starting from Devuan's
> kernel config, just change a few drivers' build-mode from module to
> static. After all, do you think it's more of a hack than stripping
> the initramfs? But I admit it's a different journey than the one you
> have undertaken.
>

That would be possible, but maybe it will not be needed, since the
initrd is currently under 7MB anyway, and the "micro" version might be
as small as 5 MB. The problem now might be the kernel itself, whose
size (when decompressed) is of the same order of the initrd :) But I
won't dig in that direction, for the moment

> >  Otherwise we
> >could also recompile everything with uclibc, as done in other minimal
> >distro, and have a truly microscopic userland, but that would be
> >*another* distribution, not a Devuan ;)
> >
> 
> Musl libc is already a serious challenge :-) Uclibc a nightmare,
> too incompatible with glibc.
> 
> Sorry if I look harsh, providing recommendations to people who
> do the real job :-) ideas come out of the conversation and I just
> like to share them with knowledgeable people.
> 

Among adults, receiving honest and "harsh" comments, and reflecting on
them, is the most effective and productive way to improve on your
work. Saying that everything is cool and smooth and perfect has never
saved the world, or changed things. So thank you again for your
comments, which are very much appreciated and will be taken into
account seriously, and please feel free to fire at me any thought as
you have done so far :)

HND

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[Didier Kryn]

Le 20/05/2016 14:37, KatolaZ a écrit :

On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 02:24:07PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:

Le 20/05/2016 13:11, KatolaZ a écrit :

 If you mean to run your live system with the cdrom as the root
filesystem, then the only drivers you need during the initramfs
phase are those needed to mount the cdrom, ie the iso9660 filesystem
and the drivers needed to access the cdrom, which includes the USB
stack in case of a separate cdrom drive.

You need a few more things for a generic live, e.g. support for all
the disk controllers, support for aufs and other union filesystems,
the full USB stack, and several drivers from the scsi/ bundle, which
are needed to deal with cdroms...

 Yes, you must include everything needed to read the cdrom. It's
true it includes the scsi bundle and the USB stack, but not the disk
controllers. And support for union filesystems only if they are
needed to mount the cdrom ( don't see why). My own trend would be to

Because the minimal live uses a squashfs, which is mounted and
union-ed before init is called, AFAIK. The disk controllers are not
necessary (and in fact I have stripped them off from the microscopic
version of the initramfs), but might be useful if you want to use the
live image as a rescue cd, and boot into an existing / on your
drive. Not necessary. Maybe useful.
The disk controllers need to be on the live cd for sure, but why in 
the initramfs?



rebuild the kernel with those drivers statically linked and boot
directly to the cdrom without and initramfs.


Oh, sure we could. But my point is to use standard packages from the
Devuan repo, without too much of customising/recompiling.


I was just thinking of a minimal hack: starting from Devuan's 
kernel config, just change a few drivers' build-mode from module to 
static. After all, do you think it's more of a hack than stripping the 
initramfs? But I admit it's a different journey than the one you have 
undertaken.



  Otherwise we
could also recompile everything with uclibc, as done in other minimal
distro, and have a truly microscopic userland, but that would be
*another* distribution, not a Devuan ;)



Musl libc is already a serious challenge :-) Uclibc a nightmare, 
too incompatible with glibc.


Sorry if I look harsh, providing recommendations to people who do 
the real job :-) ideas come out of the conversation and I just like to 
share them with knowledgeable people.


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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[KatolaZ]

On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 02:24:07PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 20/05/2016 13:11, KatolaZ a écrit :
> >>> If you mean to run your live system with the cdrom as the root
> >>>filesystem, then the only drivers you need during the initramfs
> >>>phase are those needed to mount the cdrom, ie the iso9660 filesystem
> >>>and the drivers needed to access the cdrom, which includes the USB
> >>>stack in case of a separate cdrom drive.
> >You need a few more things for a generic live, e.g. support for all
> >the disk controllers, support for aufs and other union filesystems,
> >the full USB stack, and several drivers from the scsi/ bundle, which
> >are needed to deal with cdroms...
> 
> Yes, you must include everything needed to read the cdrom. It's
> true it includes the scsi bundle and the USB stack, but not the disk
> controllers. And support for union filesystems only if they are
> needed to mount the cdrom ( don't see why). My own trend would be to

Because the minimal live uses a squashfs, which is mounted and
union-ed before init is called, AFAIK. The disk controllers are not
necessary (and in fact I have stripped them off from the microscopic
version of the initramfs), but might be useful if you want to use the
live image as a rescue cd, and boot into an existing / on your
drive. Not necessary. Maybe useful.

> rebuild the kernel with those drivers statically linked and boot
> directly to the cdrom without and initramfs.
> 

Oh, sure we could. But my point is to use standard packages from the
Devuan repo, without too much of customising/recompiling. Otherwise we
could also recompile everything with uclibc, as done in other minimal
distro, and have a truly microscopic userland, but that would be
*another* distribution, not a Devuan ;)

Thanks

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[Didier Kryn]

Le 20/05/2016 13:11, KatolaZ a écrit :

> If you mean to run your live system with the cdrom as the root
>filesystem, then the only drivers you need during the initramfs
>phase are those needed to mount the cdrom, ie the iso9660 filesystem
>and the drivers needed to access the cdrom, which includes the USB
>stack in case of a separate cdrom drive.

You need a few more things for a generic live, e.g. support for all
the disk controllers, support for aufs and other union filesystems,
the full USB stack, and several drivers from the scsi/ bundle, which
are needed to deal with cdroms...


Yes, you must include everything needed to read the cdrom. It's 
true it includes the scsi bundle and the USB stack, but not the disk 
controllers. And support for union filesystems only if they are needed 
to mount the cdrom ( don't see why). My own trend would be to rebuild 
the kernel with those drivers statically linked and boot directly to the 
cdrom without and initramfs.


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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[KatolaZ]

On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 10:56:19AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 19/05/2016 21:14, Rainer Weikusat a écrit :
> >[I already strongly suspected the below but didn't want to write about
> >it until I had a chance to test]
> >
> >THe initramfs doesn't need to include all the modules belonging to the
> >kernel, just those which are needed to mount the real root filesystem
> >(containing the remaining driver modules). This would mean all
> >filesystems and storage device drivers you want to support but, eg, no
> >networking modules (nfsroot sounds like an implausible feature for a
> >live image).
> 
> If you mean to run your live system with the cdrom as the root
> filesystem, then the only drivers you need during the initramfs
> phase are those needed to mount the cdrom, ie the iso9660 filesystem
> and the drivers needed to access the cdrom, which includes the USB
> stack in case of a separate cdrom drive.

You need a few more things for a generic live, e.g. support for all
the disk controllers, support for aufs and other union filesystems,
the full USB stack, and several drivers from the scsi/ bundle, which
are needed to deal with cdroms...

But yes, in principle you can trim out eveything else, which is what I
have done so far.

On top of that, I am now working in a further stripped-down initrd
which lacks also support for esoteric hw (scsi controllers,
fiberchannel, and the like), and the result is an xz image which is
barely 7 MB. I am planning to include it as a boot option in the
unofficial minimal live, which might be used in 99% of the cases and
will allow the system to boot with as low as 64 MB of RAM :)

> 
>  Actually, either you keep the stock kernel and put only the few
> modules you need in the initramfs, or you configure your kernel
> build to have all these drivers and filesystem statically linked and
> you don't even need an initramfs at all.
>

Yep, but this is not a viable option for live systems, since it is not
easy to customise...

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[David Hare]

Interesting experiment..

I repacked fsr's iso (otherwise unmodified) using the initrd from the
devuan-minimal-beta. That initrd was also repacked and xz-compressed
(now 8.5MB).

I booted it "findiso" (from iso file on an ext4 partition) with a
"live-hook" script, which automatically loads my specific wlan
firmware and autoconnect configs.

It booted a fully functional XFCE4 in seconds. Everything seems to
work, posting from it right now.

Sometimes I use a FAT-formatted USB similarly, sometimes with a LUKS
persistence file. Obviously, initramfs must be able to access
filesystems other than iso9660 to do that.

D

On 20 May 2016 at 09:56, Didier Kryn  wrote:
> Le 19/05/2016 21:14, Rainer Weikusat a écrit :
>>
>> [I already strongly suspected the below but didn't want to write about
>> it until I had a chance to test]
>>
>> THe initramfs doesn't need to include all the modules belonging to the
>> kernel, just those which are needed to mount the real root filesystem
>> (containing the remaining driver modules). This would mean all
>> filesystems and storage device drivers you want to support but, eg, no
>> networking modules (nfsroot sounds like an implausible feature for a
>> live image).
>
>
> If you mean to run your live system with the cdrom as the root
> filesystem, then the only drivers you need during the initramfs phase are
> those needed to mount the cdrom, ie the iso9660 filesystem and the drivers
> needed to access the cdrom, which includes the USB stack in case of a
> separate cdrom drive.
>
>  Actually, either you keep the stock kernel and put only the few modules
> you need in the initramfs, or you configure your kernel build to have all
> these drivers and filesystem statically linked and you don't even need an
> initramfs at all.
>
> Didier
>
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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[Didier Kryn]

Le 19/05/2016 21:14, Rainer Weikusat a écrit :

[I already strongly suspected the below but didn't want to write about
it until I had a chance to test]

THe initramfs doesn't need to include all the modules belonging to the
kernel, just those which are needed to mount the real root filesystem
(containing the remaining driver modules). This would mean all
filesystems and storage device drivers you want to support but, eg, no
networking modules (nfsroot sounds like an implausible feature for a
live image).


If you mean to run your live system with the cdrom as the root 
filesystem, then the only drivers you need during the initramfs phase 
are those needed to mount the cdrom, ie the iso9660 filesystem and the 
drivers needed to access the cdrom, which includes the USB stack in case 
of a separate cdrom drive.


 Actually, either you keep the stock kernel and put only the few 
modules you need in the initramfs, or you configure your kernel build to 
have all these drivers and filesystem statically linked and you don't 
even need an initramfs at all.


Didier

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[KatolaZ]

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 08:14:34PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote:

> >
> > Imagine a case in which you, the user, would like to boot from a live
> > image, e.g. for rescue purposes, only to find out that your live CD
> > does not recognise your disk controller, or your graphic adapter, or
> > your ethernet card.
> 
> [I already strongly suspected the below but didn't want to write about
> it until I had a chance to test]
> 
> THe initramfs doesn't need to include all the modules belonging to the
> kernel, just those which are needed to mount the real root filesystem
> (containing the remaining driver modules). This would mean all
> filesystems and storage device drivers you want to support but, eg, no
> networking modules (nfsroot sounds like an implausible feature for a
> live image).

And in fact, I have stripped most of the unnecessary modules and
libraries from the initramfs, and I am now moving on to remove all the
unnecessary utilities. 

> 
> NB: Please CC me when replying. For some reason, I'm "reverse moderated"
> --- I can still send message to the list but don't get them anymore.

I suspect that you have reverse-moderated yourself :) I always include
your address in the replies, but I keep receiving a lot of bounces
from your mail-server (452), which seems to feel some deep disgust for
the stuff sent from my mail server. It could be that your mail-server
is convinced that the mail-server on which this list is hosted is as
bad as mine :)

In my case the problem is the lack of reverse-DNS, but atm I have to
live with that.

Might greylisting be an option in your case? I have been using
greylisting a lot, and it reduces the spam by 90%-95%, without
filtering domains.

My2Cents

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[aitor_czr]

Hi all,

El 15/05/16 a las 21:11, Edward Bartolo <edb...@gmail.com> escribió:

Hi fsmithred,

First of all, thanks for replying and giving some feedback.

I used the text installer which I run for several times before I gave
up trying. Then, I used Debian's Jessie ISO which worked without
issues.

Edward

On 15/05/2016, . fsmithred<fsmith...@gmail.com>  wrote:

>It could not have been one of my live isos, because refractainstaller
>doesn't do lvm.
>
>With the devuan beta isos, I've done both manual partitioning and automatic
>partitioning (to a single partition) and was not forced to use lvm in any
>case. On  the automatic partitioning, an extended partition is created for
>swap, but it's not lvm.
>
>Edward, did you use the graphical install or the text install? I find the
>text install to be easier. I can use the keyboard all the way through
>without having to switch back and forth from the mouse. The debian (and
>devuan) graphical installer is not a true graphical installer. (IMHO)
>
>Maybe you made a wrong turn somewhere. Mostly, I just hit ENTER to take the
>defaults.
>
>-fsr
>
>
>On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 11:59 AM, Go Linux<goli...@yahoo.com>  wrote:
>

>>On Sun, 5/15/16, Edward Bartolo<edb...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>  Subject: Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images
>>  To: "KatolaZ"<kato...@freaknet.org>
>>  Cc: "dng"<dng@lists.dyne.org>
>>  Date: Sunday, May 15, 2016, 10:39 AM
>>

>> >Hi,
>> >
>> >When I tried to install Devuan 64 bit on a Pentium Dual Core, 3 GB
>> >DDR2, I couldn't get past the disk partitioner as it assumed I was
>> >using LVM. I never used LVM because it unnecessarily adds another
>> >layer of complexity that I deem not necessary on a family computer.
>> >This means, I always use plain ext4 partitions for my installations.
>> >
>> >I had to bypass the serious issue by using Debian Jessie 64
>> >installation iso instead.
>> >
>> >I am reposting as nobody actually reported any feedback on this issue.
>> >
>> >Edward
>> >

>>
>>
>>
>>It's not clear exactly which iso were you trying to install.  One from
>>the
>>Devuan repos or the refracta unofficial live iso (which is the subject of
>>this thread)?  Could you please clarify?  Thanks.
>>
>>golinux
>>


I'm working on the installers of the live-images (a work in progress):

http://www.gnuinos.org/devuan-installers/

@fsmithred:

I'll have a look at the refracta tools...

Cheers,

  Aitor.

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[KatolaZ]

On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 05:39:17PM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> When I tried to install Devuan 64 bit on a Pentium Dual Core, 3 GB
> DDR2, I couldn't get past the disk partitioner as it assumed I was
> using LVM. I never used LVM because it unnecessarily adds another
> layer of complexity that I deem not necessary on a family computer.
> This means, I always use plain ext4 partitions for my installations.
> 
> I had to bypass the serious issue by using Debian Jessie 64
> installation iso instead.
> 

I have used Devuan Jessie Beta installer at least a dozen times, in
expert mode, and I am sure it does not try to use LVM. Maybe because I
insist in creating the partitions manually. 

My2Cents

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[Edward Bartolo]

Hi fsmithred,

First of all, thanks for replying and giving some feedback.

I used the text installer which I run for several times before I gave
up trying. Then, I used Debian's Jessie ISO which worked without
issues.

Edward

On 15/05/2016, . fsmithred <fsmith...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It could not have been one of my live isos, because refractainstaller
> doesn't do lvm.
>
> With the devuan beta isos, I've done both manual partitioning and automatic
> partitioning (to a single partition) and was not forced to use lvm in any
> case. On  the automatic partitioning, an extended partition is created for
> swap, but it's not lvm.
>
> Edward, did you use the graphical install or the text install? I find the
> text install to be easier. I can use the keyboard all the way through
> without having to switch back and forth from the mouse. The debian (and
> devuan) graphical installer is not a true graphical installer. (IMHO)
>
> Maybe you made a wrong turn somewhere. Mostly, I just hit ENTER to take the
> defaults.
>
> -fsr
>
>
> On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 11:59 AM, Go Linux <goli...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 5/15/16, Edward Bartolo <edb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Subject: Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images
>>  To: "KatolaZ" <kato...@freaknet.org>
>>  Cc: "dng" <dng@lists.dyne.org>
>>  Date: Sunday, May 15, 2016, 10:39 AM
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > When I tried to install Devuan 64 bit on a Pentium Dual Core, 3 GB
>> > DDR2, I couldn't get past the disk partitioner as it assumed I was
>> > using LVM. I never used LVM because it unnecessarily adds another
>> > layer of complexity that I deem not necessary on a family computer.
>> > This means, I always use plain ext4 partitions for my installations.
>> >
>> > I had to bypass the serious issue by using Debian Jessie 64
>> > installation iso instead.
>> >
>> > I am reposting as nobody actually reported any feedback on this issue.
>> >
>> > Edward
>> >
>>
>> 
>>
>> It's not clear exactly which iso were you trying to install.  One from
>> the
>> Devuan repos or the refracta unofficial live iso (which is the subject of
>> this thread)?  Could you please clarify?  Thanks.
>>
>> golinux
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[. fsmithred]

It could not have been one of my live isos, because refractainstaller
doesn't do lvm.

With the devuan beta isos, I've done both manual partitioning and automatic
partitioning (to a single partition) and was not forced to use lvm in any
case. On  the automatic partitioning, an extended partition is created for
swap, but it's not lvm.

Edward, did you use the graphical install or the text install? I find the
text install to be easier. I can use the keyboard all the way through
without having to switch back and forth from the mouse. The debian (and
devuan) graphical installer is not a true graphical installer. (IMHO)

Maybe you made a wrong turn somewhere. Mostly, I just hit ENTER to take the
defaults.

-fsr


On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 11:59 AM, Go Linux <goli...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 5/15/16, Edward Bartolo <edb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images
>  To: "KatolaZ" <kato...@freaknet.org>
>  Cc: "dng" <dng@lists.dyne.org>
>  Date: Sunday, May 15, 2016, 10:39 AM
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > When I tried to install Devuan 64 bit on a Pentium Dual Core, 3 GB
> > DDR2, I couldn't get past the disk partitioner as it assumed I was
> > using LVM. I never used LVM because it unnecessarily adds another
> > layer of complexity that I deem not necessary on a family computer.
> > This means, I always use plain ext4 partitions for my installations.
> >
> > I had to bypass the serious issue by using Debian Jessie 64
> > installation iso instead.
> >
> > I am reposting as nobody actually reported any feedback on this issue.
> >
> > Edward
> >
>
> 
>
> It's not clear exactly which iso were you trying to install.  One from the
> Devuan repos or the refracta unofficial live iso (which is the subject of
> this thread)?  Could you please clarify?  Thanks.
>
> golinux
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

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On Sun, 5/15/16, Edward Bartolo <edb...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images
 To: "KatolaZ" <kato...@freaknet.org>
 Cc: "dng" <dng@lists.dyne.org>
 Date: Sunday, May 15, 2016, 10:39 AM
 
> Hi,
> 
> When I tried to install Devuan 64 bit on a Pentium Dual Core, 3 GB
> DDR2, I couldn't get past the disk partitioner as it assumed I was
> using LVM. I never used LVM because it unnecessarily adds another
> layer of complexity that I deem not necessary on a family computer.
> This means, I always use plain ext4 partitions for my installations.
> 
> I had to bypass the serious issue by using Debian Jessie 64
> installation iso instead.
> 
> I am reposting as nobody actually reported any feedback on this issue.
> 
> Edward
> 



It's not clear exactly which iso were you trying to install.  One from the 
Devuan repos or the refracta unofficial live iso (which is the subject of this 
thread)?  Could you please clarify?  Thanks.

golinux





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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[Edward Bartolo]

Hi,

When I tried to install Devuan 64 bit on a Pentium Dual Core, 3 GB
DDR2, I couldn't get past the disk partitioner as it assumed I was
using LVM. I never used LVM because it unnecessarily adds another
layer of complexity that I deem not necessary on a family computer.
This means, I always use plain ext4 partitions for my installations.

I had to bypass the serious issue by using Debian Jessie 64
installation iso instead.

I am reposting as nobody actually reported any feedback on this issue.

Edward

On 14/05/2016, KatolaZ  wrote:
> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 07:52:49PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> [cut]
>
>>
>> Yes. What I was saying is to provide an additional initramfs. For
>> instance, you could have five initramfs files:
>>
>> 1) ext4, no lvm, no encryption
>> 2) ext4 plus encryption
>> 3) ext4 plus lvm
>> 4) ext4 plus encryption plus lvm
>> 5) everything and the kitchen sink
>>
>> The grub boot menu would expose all five.
>>
>> Only #5 would take the whole 256 MB of RAM, and #1, which I believe is
>> the sum of all installation defaults, will be tiny.
>
> Thanks Steve for your comment. That's another possibility I was
> considering, and seems the most sensible one. Unfortunately, the basic
> initrd will be a bit more complicated anyway, since live-build uses
> aufs and squashfs, but not lvm (so that the support for lvm can be
> left out of initrd). But there seem to be a lot of space for improving
> over the current requirements. I am working on that already.
>
>>
>> Meanwhile, I spoze 256MB of RAM isn't a horrible disadvantage, because
>> almost everything sold in the last 10 years has more than 512MB. And if
>> someone were that light on RAM, they could boot System Rescue CD.
>>
>> Yeah, the more I think about it, the 256MB requirement is no problem at
>> all, especially because once you're actually booted, only 37MB of your
>> 256MB, leaving the rest for apps you'd be running.
>>
>> So forget everything I said about this being a shame. It's no big deal
>> at all.
>
> Nope! I agree with your first opinion: there is in principle no reason
> to require a higher amount of ram if we can squeeze the initrd to a
> bare minimum that makes almost everybody happy :) After all, the
> problem with modern distros is exactly that they carry on board as
> much as they can, even if most of the garbage will not be ever used
> once in a lifetime. A minimal live image is against this "consumistic"
> approach to distro design :)
>
> Thanks for the comments. I am working on this and will keep you
> postedin due course.
>
> HND
>
> KatolaZ
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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[KatolaZ]

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 07:52:49PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:

[cut]

> 
> Yes. What I was saying is to provide an additional initramfs. For
> instance, you could have five initramfs files:
> 
> 1) ext4, no lvm, no encryption
> 2) ext4 plus encryption
> 3) ext4 plus lvm
> 4) ext4 plus encryption plus lvm
> 5) everything and the kitchen sink
> 
> The grub boot menu would expose all five.
>
> Only #5 would take the whole 256 MB of RAM, and #1, which I believe is
> the sum of all installation defaults, will be tiny.

Thanks Steve for your comment. That's another possibility I was
considering, and seems the most sensible one. Unfortunately, the basic
initrd will be a bit more complicated anyway, since live-build uses
aufs and squashfs, but not lvm (so that the support for lvm can be
left out of initrd). But there seem to be a lot of space for improving
over the current requirements. I am working on that already.

> 
> Meanwhile, I spoze 256MB of RAM isn't a horrible disadvantage, because
> almost everything sold in the last 10 years has more than 512MB. And if
> someone were that light on RAM, they could boot System Rescue CD.
> 
> Yeah, the more I think about it, the 256MB requirement is no problem at
> all, especially because once you're actually booted, only 37MB of your
> 256MB, leaving the rest for apps you'd be running.
> 
> So forget everything I said about this being a shame. It's no big deal
> at all.

Nope! I agree with your first opinion: there is in principle no reason
to require a higher amount of ram if we can squeeze the initrd to a
bare minimum that makes almost everybody happy :) After all, the
problem with modern distros is exactly that they carry on board as
much as they can, even if most of the garbage will not be ever used
once in a lifetime. A minimal live image is against this "consumistic"
approach to distro design :)

Thanks for the comments. I am working on this and will keep you
postedin due course.

HND

KatolaZ

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[KatolaZ]

On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 10:21:39AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 13/05/2016 22:39, KatolaZ a écrit :
> >On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 07:31:28PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
> >
> >[cut]
> >
> >>Steve, I cannot (and I don't want to) make any assumption on behalf of
> >>potential users of a minimal live system :) The initramfs contains all
> >>the modules shipped with the standard Devuan kernel, that's why it is
> >>so fat. In fact, "du -ch /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel" says that
> >>those sum up to 159 MB, which account for most of the space required
> >>by the initramfs.
> >>
> >Anyway, I have just started working on stripping down the
> >initramfs. This will probably go on an "experimental" branch, and I
> >will need people to test the resulting images on as many hw
> >configurations as possible. I will keep you posted, hopefully with
> >good news :)
> >
> >HND
> >
> >KatolaZ
> 
> If the live OS is running only in the initramfs, then it is
> necessary to keep all the modules. If it is running from a partition
> of the USB stick, then the only modules needed in the initramfs are
> those necessary to mount the partition of the USB stick.
> 

That's correct. The system mounts a squashfs in the
usbstick/cdrom. The proble is that the modules necessary to mount the
partition in the USB stick (or cdrom) amount to several dozens, since
you have to support all the controllers, plus a few fs types.

I believe that another problem is that the default initrd created by
initramfs-tools include a lot of useless programs (most of them will
be needed only if something goes terribly wrong on boot) so we can
trim more fat on that side.

Thanks for the feedback. I'll keep you posted.

HND

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[Didier Kryn]

Le 13/05/2016 22:39, KatolaZ a écrit :

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 07:31:28PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:

[cut]


Steve, I cannot (and I don't want to) make any assumption on behalf of
potential users of a minimal live system :) The initramfs contains all
the modules shipped with the standard Devuan kernel, that's why it is
so fat. In fact, "du -ch /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel" says that
those sum up to 159 MB, which account for most of the space required
by the initramfs.


Anyway, I have just started working on stripping down the
initramfs. This will probably go on an "experimental" branch, and I
will need people to test the resulting images on as many hw
configurations as possible. I will keep you posted, hopefully with
good news :)

HND

KatolaZ


If the live OS is running only in the initramfs, then it is 
necessary to keep all the modules. If it is running from a partition of 
the USB stick, then the only modules needed in the initramfs are those 
necessary to mount the partition of the USB stick.


Didier

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[KatolaZ]

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 07:31:28PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:

[cut]

> 
> Steve, I cannot (and I don't want to) make any assumption on behalf of
> potential users of a minimal live system :) The initramfs contains all
> the modules shipped with the standard Devuan kernel, that's why it is
> so fat. In fact, "du -ch /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel" says that
> those sum up to 159 MB, which account for most of the space required
> by the initramfs.
>

Anyway, I have just started working on stripping down the
initramfs. This will probably go on an "experimental" branch, and I
will need people to test the resulting images on as many hw
configurations as possible. I will keep you posted, hopefully with
good news :)

HND

KatolaZ

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[KatolaZ]

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 02:06:27PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Fri, 13 May 2016 06:59:37 +0100
> KatolaZ  wrote:
> 
> > please try the iso linked from http://devuan.kalos.mine.nu
> 
> 
> However, due to the size of the ramdisk used at boot time, 256 MB of
> RAM are currently necessary to boot.
> 
> 
> That's messed up. Your subdistro runs in 37MB of RAM, but the initramfs
> requires 256MB. I'd suggest adding another initramfs that assumes a
> no-encryption, no-lvm ext4 root partition, and does nothing but get
> that root partition mounted.
> 
> I bet you can put it on even more of a diet if you use busybox to do
> most of the work.
> 

Steve, I cannot (and I don't want to) make any assumption on behalf of
potential users of a minimal live system :) The initramfs contains all
the modules shipped with the standard Devuan kernel, that's why it is
so fat. In fact, "du -ch /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel" says that
those sum up to 159 MB, which account for most of the space required
by the initramfs.

Now, it is obviously possible to strip it down to the bare minimum,
removing most of those modules, but then the corresponding live
images, which should run, by definition, on a relatively wide number
of machines, with heterogeneous hw configurations, will be mostly
useless.

Imagine a case in which you, the user, would like to boot from a live
image, e.g. for rescue purposes, only to find out that your live CD
does not recognise your disk controller, or your graphic adapter, or
your ethernet card. Well, that image might be perfectly slim, and
optimal, and everyting, but completely useless if it cannot help you
performing the rescue task...

I am interested in finding possible solutions to this problem, but I
am unable to find one that makes more sense than the current one.

One possibility is to create your own image containing only the
modules needed by your machine, but this is not a solution which works
for everybody. I could have done that, and in that case those images
would have run only on relatively recent lenovo laptops. Period. You,
and most of the others, would have complained that I had to consider a
wider number of hw configurations. Specifically, each person would
have complained about the fact that *his* or *her* own hardware was
not supported...

Another possibility is to decide which sets of modules can be removed,
but then you will still have unhappy users, namely those who possess
hardware for which we don't provide a kernel module.

Compiling everything into a static kernel is not a viable option
either, IMHO.

I am open to comments and suggestions on this matter, but please do
not forget that a live image does not know in advance where it will be
run, or for which reason.

HND

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[Steve Litt]

On Fri, 13 May 2016 06:59:37 +0100
KatolaZ  wrote:

> please try the iso linked from http://devuan.kalos.mine.nu


However, due to the size of the ramdisk used at boot time, 256 MB of
RAM are currently necessary to boot.


That's messed up. Your subdistro runs in 37MB of RAM, but the initramfs
requires 256MB. I'd suggest adding another initramfs that assumes a
no-encryption, no-lvm ext4 root partition, and does nothing but get
that root partition mounted.

I bet you can put it on even more of a diet if you use busybox to do
most of the work.

SteveT

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[Joel Roth]

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 11:20:41AM +0200, Jaromil wrote:
> hi Joel,
> 
> On Thu, 12 May 2016, Joel Roth wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, May 07, 2016 at 11:43:48AM -0400, fsmithred wrote:
> > > If someone want to see what Devuan-Jessie beta looks like without
> > > installing it, I made some live isos. I expect that there will eventually
> > > be an official Devuan-Live, but this is not it. HTH.
> > > 
> > > https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/unofficial_devuan_live/
> > 
> > I found this:
> > 
> > unofficial_live_devuan_beta_amd64_snapshot-20160506_1604.iso
> 
> yes, this is the Refracta live iso BASE (not minimal) by fsmithred
> 
> 
> > Can it be booted with qemu?
> 
> for some reason, not. I had this problem too, asked and was told to
> use virtualbox for these snapshots. I haven't found the time to
> investigate further why such an iso wouldn't work on qemu/kvm

Hi Jaromil,

Katolaz's invocation works for me:

system-x86_64 -boot d -m 256 -localtime --enable-kvm -net nic -net 
user,hostfwd=tcp::5556-:22 -cdrom
unofficial_live_devuan_beta_amd64_snapshot-20160506_1604.iso

Minimally, -m 256, -boot d, and -cdrom options are needed.

system-x86_64 -boot d -m 256 --enable-kvm -cdrom 
unofficial_live_devuan_beta_amd64_snapshot-20160506_1604.iso

Seems like wiki material everyone needs to be able
to test stuff via qemu where possible.

Thanks,

Joel

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[Jaromil]

hi Joel,

On Thu, 12 May 2016, Joel Roth wrote:

> On Sat, May 07, 2016 at 11:43:48AM -0400, fsmithred wrote:
> > If someone want to see what Devuan-Jessie beta looks like without
> > installing it, I made some live isos. I expect that there will eventually
> > be an official Devuan-Live, but this is not it. HTH.
> > 
> > https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/unofficial_devuan_live/
> 
> I found this:
> 
> unofficial_live_devuan_beta_amd64_snapshot-20160506_1604.iso

yes, this is the Refracta live iso BASE (not minimal) by fsmithred


> Can it be booted with qemu?

for some reason, not. I had this problem too, asked and was told to
use virtualbox for these snapshots. I haven't found the time to
investigate further why such an iso wouldn't work on qemu/kvm

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[KatolaZ]

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 05:45:02PM -1000, Joel Roth wrote:
> On Sat, May 07, 2016 at 11:43:48AM -0400, fsmithred wrote:
> > If someone want to see what Devuan-Jessie beta looks like without
> > installing it, I made some live isos. I expect that there will eventually
> > be an official Devuan-Live, but this is not it. HTH.
> > 
> > https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/unofficial_devuan_live/
> 
> I found this:
> 
> unofficial_live_devuan_beta_amd64_snapshot-20160506_1604.iso
> 
> Can it be booted with qemu?
> 
> I tried this, and got a kernel panic:
> 
> qemu-system-x68_64 --enable-kvm -cdrom 
> unofficial_live_devuan_beta_amd64_snapshot-20160506_1604.iso
> 

Hi Joel,

please try the iso linked from http://devuan.kalos.mine.nu

I am currently uploading new i386 and amd64 images, and will post here
as soon as they are in place.

HND

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[Joel Roth]

On Sat, May 07, 2016 at 11:43:48AM -0400, fsmithred wrote:
> If someone want to see what Devuan-Jessie beta looks like without
> installing it, I made some live isos. I expect that there will eventually
> be an official Devuan-Live, but this is not it. HTH.
> 
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/unofficial_devuan_live/

I found this:

unofficial_live_devuan_beta_amd64_snapshot-20160506_1604.iso

Can it be booted with qemu?

I tried this, and got a kernel panic:

qemu-system-x68_64 --enable-kvm -cdrom 
unofficial_live_devuan_beta_amd64_snapshot-20160506_1604.iso

Anyone have a better incantation?
 
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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[aitor_czr]

On 05/09/2016 01:27 AM, aitor_czr  wrote:

FWIW, +1 for lightdm. I switched in order to get keyboard and mouse
>navigation to the greeter options. For integration with xfce, I did
>need to perform a few extra steps. From memory, the 'switch user'
>feature needed to be altered to use 'dm-tool' instead of
>'gdmflexiserver', I ended up totally removing xfce4-power-manager and
>its panel applet in favor acpid-only and the xfce battery applet, and
>probably other stuff that I just don't remember.
>
>The newer versions of Lightdm (I think its available in the testing
>repo) allows for a webkit-based greeter for more eye-candy if that's
>of interest to you, and also offers a gui configuration tool that's
>pretty neat.
>
>There's a 'light-locker' screen locking program that installs along
>with lightdm, which includes a protection feature against X-M-Fn
>switching. A complaint I have against it is that it doesn't seem to
>offer anything other than a blank screen (no screensaver visual
>feedback or eye-candy), and it doesn't switch to a greeter screen
>until a delay after one begins typing, so one can easily misinterpret
>the screen lock as some form of BSOD (blank screen of death).
>
>On 2016-05-08 10:14, fsmithred wrote:

>> >On 05/08/2016 08:24 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote:

>>> > >
>>> > >So I google etc/slim.conf to fid out what it is, and on the first
>>> > >link I find Warning: The SliM project has been abandoned (the
>>> > >project homepage is down, leaving a github mirror),
>>> > >
>>> > >That's on the archwiki
>>> > >
>>> > >https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SLiM
>>> > >
>>> > >They also warn that it's incompatible with systemd.
>>> > >
>>> > >I hope that's an arch-specific abandonment.
>>> > >The gentoo page doesn't have this warning.
>>> > >
>>> > >-- hendrik
>>> > >
>>> > >

>> >
>> >
>> >The github mirror has a readme that says: "Note: This repository was
>> >used as backup source and is no longer maintained."
>> >
>> >
>> >I'm using lightdm here. Didn't have to do anything special to get it
>> >to work without systemd. Don't even have libsystemd0 installed on
>> >this box.
>> >
>> >-fsr

My vote is also for lightdm, it allows you to switch the
desktop-environment, the language and the keyboard configuration.

Cheers,

Aitor.

P.D.- I'm trying with the beta of gnuinos, but debmirror doesn't work:(


Now, debmirror works:

debmirror -h ftp.es.mirror.devuan.org \
  --dist=jessie \
  --root=/merged \
  --di-arch=i386,amd64,armhf \
  --section=main/debian-installer \
  --nosource \
  --progress \
  --ignore-release-gpg \
  --method http \
  --diff=none \
  /home/aitor/devuan-repo

The issue was related with the rejection of rsync :)

Cheers,

  Aitor.

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[fsmithred]

On 05/08/2016 10:33 PM, Joel Roth wrote:
> Go Linux wrote:
>> On Sun, 5/8/16, Joel Roth  wrote:
>> Piggybacking onto this thread, I'd like to have a live
>> distro to demo for friends who are still bombarded with
>> hateful Windows popups. Ideally with heavy-weight apps such
>> as libreoffice, firefox, thunderbird.  And I'd like to write
>> it to a USB drive, or SD card.
>>
>> I'm aware of Knoppix, and open to any other less heavy
>> assemblages.
>>
>> Appreciate any suggestions.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -- 
>> Joel Roth
>>
>> 
>>
>> Hi Joel,
>>
>> Did you download the iso and give it a spin?  Or at least look at the pkg 
>> list?  It has 2 of the three items you mentioned - libreoffice and iceweasel 
>> (firefox).  I have copied the pkg list below FYI.
> 
> Looks good, thanks, and being systemd-free is an added benefit. 
>  
>> You might also want to check out refracta2usb.  Check with fsr if it is 
>> compatible with the Devuan iso:
>>
>> http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/docs/readme.refracta2usb.txt
>>
>>
>> golinux


1. Install Devuan by whatever method you choose, and configure it however
you want.
2. Use refractasnapshot to make your own iso.
3. Use refracta2usb to make a live usb, with or without persistence, with
or without encryption, and some other things.
4. Profit. (your friends will.)

-fsr

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[David Hare]

Thanks Daniel.. note (others) that /etc/default/grub needs sorting
also, although nothing to do with os-prober. The Debian version is
enough, don't know why it's different in devuan (except the very
elegant gfx theme, that's where it has to be referenced)







On 9 May 2016 at 01:45, Joel Roth  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Piggybacking onto this thread, I'd like to have a live
> distro to demo for friends who are still bombarded with
> hateful Windows popups. Ideally with heavy-weight apps such
> as libreoffice, firefox, thunderbird.  And I'd like to write
> it to a USB drive, or SD card.
>
> I'm aware of Knoppix, and open to any other less heavy
> assemblages.
>
> Appreciate any suggestions.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
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>
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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[Go Linux]

On Sun, 5/8/16, Joel Roth <jo...@pobox.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images
 To: dng@lists.dyne.org
 Date: Sunday, May 8, 2016, 7:45 PM
 
Hi,

Piggybacking onto this thread, I'd like to have a live
distro to demo for friends who are still bombarded with
hateful Windows popups. Ideally with heavy-weight apps such
as libreoffice, firefox, thunderbird.  And I'd like to write
it to a USB drive, or SD card.

I'm aware of Knoppix, and open to any other less heavy
assemblages.

Appreciate any suggestions.

Thanks,

-- 
Joel Roth



Hi Joel,

Did you download the iso and give it a spin?  Or at least look at the pkg list? 
 It has 2 of the three items you mentioned - libreoffice and iceweasel 
(firefox).  I have copied the pkg list below FYI.

You might also want to check out refracta2usb.  Check with fsr if it is 
compatible with the Devuan iso:

http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/docs/readme.refracta2usb.txt


golinux


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li

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[Joel Roth]

Hi,

Piggybacking onto this thread, I'd like to have a live
distro to demo for friends who are still bombarded with
hateful Windows popups. Ideally with heavy-weight apps such
as libreoffice, firefox, thunderbird.  And I'd like to write
it to a USB drive, or SD card.

I'm aware of Knoppix, and open to any other less heavy
assemblages. 

Appreciate any suggestions.

Thanks,



-- 
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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[fsmithred]

Someone asked me about uefi support in the live iso.

Answer: No uefi support in the live isos I released.

I repacked the amd64 iso adding /boot and /efi folders from a solydx iso,
as described here -
http://refracta.freeforums.org/post5007.html#p5007

Also added current grub-efi debs to the offline folder.

It boots in virtualbox set to efi mode.

It's still experimental.

It's here -
http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/files/other/unofficial_live_devuan_beta_amd64_uefi_repack.iso

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[Daniel Reurich]

Hi David,

I've just forked os-prober here:
https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/os-prober

I will add your patches and push it into all suites so we have that  bug
fixed when we get beta2 out.

Regards,
Daniel.

On 09/05/16 08:31, David Hare wrote:
> Found it.. /usr/lib/os-probes/mounted/90linux-distro .. here's a patch
> I did long back:
> 
> 127a128,130
>> elif [ -e "$dir/etc/devuan_version" ]; then
>> short="Devuan"
>> long="$(printf "Devuan GNU/Linux (%s)\n" "$(cat 
>> "$dir/etc/devuan_version")")"
> 
> On 8 May 2016 at 20:57, David Hare  wrote:
>>> (Note: I won't mess with /etc/default/grub unless instructed from above to
>> do so.)
>>
>> This needs fixing in Devuan, not refractainstaller. After my edit to
>> /etc/default/grub, the actual installation now shows correctly but
>> Devuan installs on other partitions still show as "unknown linux
>> distribution". There's an old list thread somewhere on that, I haven't
>> found it yet. I think it's to do with os-prober.
>>
>> BTW refractainstaller pauses near the end, while the target partition
>> is still mounted, allowing do do any manual tweaks or edits.
>>
>>
>> On 8 May 2016 at 18:12, fsmithred  wrote:
>>> On 05/08/2016 07:24 AM, David Hare wrote:
> please test also the install and other functionalities

 OK, I just did (step 1, the installer). Writing from my new install on
 real hardware. The installation took 6 minutes on an old core2 with 2G
 ram.

 One glitch, simple to fix.. on first boot slim puked, the installer
 had failed to sort etc/slim.conf for the new username. I used startx,
 edited manually and rebooted, now all is good.

>>>
>>>
>>> Fixed in refractainstaller 9.1.8 (-base and -gui).
>>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/testing/
>>>
>>> (Note: I won't mess with /etc/default/grub unless instructed from above to
>>> do so.)
>>>
>>> -fsr
>>>
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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[aitor_czr]

On 05/08/2016 05:21 PM, Boruch Baum  wrote:

FWIW, +1 for lightdm. I switched in order to get keyboard and mouse
navigation to the greeter options. For integration with xfce, I did
need to perform a few extra steps. From memory, the 'switch user'
feature needed to be altered to use 'dm-tool' instead of
'gdmflexiserver', I ended up totally removing xfce4-power-manager and
its panel applet in favor acpid-only and the xfce battery applet, and
probably other stuff that I just don't remember.

The newer versions of Lightdm (I think its available in the testing
repo) allows for a webkit-based greeter for more eye-candy if that's
of interest to you, and also offers a gui configuration tool that's
pretty neat.

There's a 'light-locker' screen locking program that installs along
with lightdm, which includes a protection feature against X-M-Fn
switching. A complaint I have against it is that it doesn't seem to
offer anything other than a blank screen (no screensaver visual
feedback or eye-candy), and it doesn't switch to a greeter screen
until a delay after one begins typing, so one can easily misinterpret
the screen lock as some form of BSOD (blank screen of death).

On 2016-05-08 10:14, fsmithred wrote:

>On 05/08/2016 08:24 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote:

> >
> >So I google etc/slim.conf to fid out what it is, and on the first
> >link I find Warning: The SliM project has been abandoned (the
> >project homepage is down, leaving a github mirror),
> >
> >That's on the archwiki
> >
> >https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SLiM
> >
> >They also warn that it's incompatible with systemd.
> >
> >I hope that's an arch-specific abandonment.
> >The gentoo page doesn't have this warning.
> >
> >-- hendrik
> >
> >

>
>
>The github mirror has a readme that says: "Note: This repository was
>used as backup source and is no longer maintained."
>
>
>I'm using lightdm here. Didn't have to do anything special to get it
>to work without systemd. Don't even have libsystemd0 installed on
>this box.
>
>-fsr


My vote is also for lightdm, it allows you to switch the 
desktop-environment, the language and the keyboard configuration.


Cheers,

  Aitor.

P.D.- I'm trying with the beta of gnuinos, but debmirror doesn't work :(


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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[David Hare]

Found it.. /usr/lib/os-probes/mounted/90linux-distro .. here's a patch
I did long back:

127a128,130
> elif [ -e "$dir/etc/devuan_version" ]; then
> short="Devuan"
> long="$(printf "Devuan GNU/Linux (%s)\n" "$(cat 
> "$dir/etc/devuan_version")")"

On 8 May 2016 at 20:57, David Hare  wrote:
>> (Note: I won't mess with /etc/default/grub unless instructed from above to
> do so.)
>
> This needs fixing in Devuan, not refractainstaller. After my edit to
> /etc/default/grub, the actual installation now shows correctly but
> Devuan installs on other partitions still show as "unknown linux
> distribution". There's an old list thread somewhere on that, I haven't
> found it yet. I think it's to do with os-prober.
>
> BTW refractainstaller pauses near the end, while the target partition
> is still mounted, allowing do do any manual tweaks or edits.
>
>
> On 8 May 2016 at 18:12, fsmithred  wrote:
>> On 05/08/2016 07:24 AM, David Hare wrote:
 please test also the install and other functionalities
>>>
>>> OK, I just did (step 1, the installer). Writing from my new install on
>>> real hardware. The installation took 6 minutes on an old core2 with 2G
>>> ram.
>>>
>>> One glitch, simple to fix.. on first boot slim puked, the installer
>>> had failed to sort etc/slim.conf for the new username. I used startx,
>>> edited manually and rebooted, now all is good.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Fixed in refractainstaller 9.1.8 (-base and -gui).
>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/testing/
>>
>> (Note: I won't mess with /etc/default/grub unless instructed from above to
>> do so.)
>>
>> -fsr
>>
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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[David Hare]

> (Note: I won't mess with /etc/default/grub unless instructed from above to
do so.)

This needs fixing in Devuan, not refractainstaller. After my edit to
/etc/default/grub, the actual installation now shows correctly but
Devuan installs on other partitions still show as "unknown linux
distribution". There's an old list thread somewhere on that, I haven't
found it yet. I think it's to do with os-prober.

BTW refractainstaller pauses near the end, while the target partition
is still mounted, allowing do do any manual tweaks or edits.


On 8 May 2016 at 18:12, fsmithred  wrote:
> On 05/08/2016 07:24 AM, David Hare wrote:
>>> please test also the install and other functionalities
>>
>> OK, I just did (step 1, the installer). Writing from my new install on
>> real hardware. The installation took 6 minutes on an old core2 with 2G
>> ram.
>>
>> One glitch, simple to fix.. on first boot slim puked, the installer
>> had failed to sort etc/slim.conf for the new username. I used startx,
>> edited manually and rebooted, now all is good.
>>
>
>
> Fixed in refractainstaller 9.1.8 (-base and -gui).
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/testing/
>
> (Note: I won't mess with /etc/default/grub unless instructed from above to
> do so.)
>
> -fsr
>
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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[fsmithred]

On 05/08/2016 07:24 AM, David Hare wrote:
>> please test also the install and other functionalities
> 
> OK, I just did (step 1, the installer). Writing from my new install on
> real hardware. The installation took 6 minutes on an old core2 with 2G
> ram.
> 
> One glitch, simple to fix.. on first boot slim puked, the installer
> had failed to sort etc/slim.conf for the new username. I used startx,
> edited manually and rebooted, now all is good.
> 


Fixed in refractainstaller 9.1.8 (-base and -gui).
https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/testing/

(Note: I won't mess with /etc/default/grub unless instructed from above to
do so.)

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[Boruch Baum]

FWIW, +1 for lightdm. I switched in order to get keyboard and mouse
navigation to the greeter options. For integration with xfce, I did
need to perform a few extra steps. From memory, the 'switch user'
feature needed to be altered to use 'dm-tool' instead of
'gdmflexiserver', I ended up totally removing xfce4-power-manager and
its panel applet in favor acpid-only and the xfce battery applet, and
probably other stuff that I just don't remember.

The newer versions of Lightdm (I think its available in the testing
repo) allows for a webkit-based greeter for more eye-candy if that's
of interest to you, and also offers a gui configuration tool that's
pretty neat.

There's a 'light-locker' screen locking program that installs along
with lightdm, which includes a protection feature against X-M-Fn
switching. A complaint I have against it is that it doesn't seem to
offer anything other than a blank screen (no screensaver visual
feedback or eye-candy), and it doesn't switch to a greeter screen
until a delay after one begins typing, so one can easily misinterpret
the screen lock as some form of BSOD (blank screen of death).

On 2016-05-08 10:14, fsmithred wrote:
> On 05/08/2016 08:24 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > 
> > So I google etc/slim.conf to fid out what it is, and on the first
> > link I find Warning: The SliM project has been abandoned (the
> > project homepage is down, leaving a github mirror),
> > 
> > That's on the archwiki
> > 
> > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SLiM
> > 
> > They also warn that it's incompatible with systemd.
> > 
> > I hope that's an arch-specific abandonment.
> > The gentoo page doesn't have this warning.
> > 
> > -- hendrik
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> The github mirror has a readme that says: "Note: This repository was
> used as backup source and is no longer maintained."
> 
> 
> I'm using lightdm here. Didn't have to do anything special to get it
> to work without systemd. Don't even have libsystemd0 installed on
> this box.
> 
> -fsr

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[Boruch Baum]

FWIW, +1 for lightdm. I switched in order to get keyboard and mouse
navigation to the greeter options. For integration with xfce, I did
need to perform a few extra steps. From memory, the 'switch user'
feature needed to be altered to use 'dm-tool' instead of
'gdmflexiserver', I ended up totally removing xfce4-power-manager and
its panel applet in favor acpid-only and the xfce battery applet, and
probably other stuff that I just don't remember.

The newer versions of Lightdm (I think its available in the testing
repo) allows for a webkit-based greeter for more eye-candy if that's
of interest to you, and also offers a gui configuration tool that's
pretty neat.

There's a 'light-locker' screen locking program that installs along
with lightdm, which includes a protection feature against X-M-Fn
switching. A complaint I have against it is that it doesn't seem to
offer anything other than a blank screen (no screensaver visual
feedback or eye-candy), and it doesn't switch to a greeter screen
until a delay after one begins typing, so one can easily misinterpret
the screen lock as some form of BSOD (blank screen of death).

On 2016-05-08 10:14, fsmithred wrote:
> On 05/08/2016 08:24 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > 
> > So I google etc/slim.conf to fid out what it is, and on the first
> > link I find Warning: The SliM project has been abandoned (the
> > project homepage is down, leaving a github mirror),
> > 
> > That's on the archwiki
> > 
> > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SLiM
> > 
> > They also warn that it's incompatible with systemd.
> > 
> > I hope that's an arch-specific abandonment.
> > The gentoo page doesn't have this warning.
> > 
> > -- hendrik
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> The github mirror has a readme that says: "Note: This repository was
> used as backup source and is no longer maintained."
> 
> 
> I'm using lightdm here. Didn't have to do anything special to get it
> to work without systemd. Don't even have libsystemd0 installed on
> this box.
> 
> -fsr

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[David Hare]

Next test .. run refractasnapshot on my new install, while it's still clean.

Writing now from a "live session" of the resulting ISO, no apparent
problem whatsoever.

D


On 8 May 2016 at 13:07, fsmithred  wrote:
> On 05/08/2016 07:24 AM, David Hare wrote:
>>> please test also the install and other functionalities
>>
>> OK, I just did (step 1, the installer). Writing from my new install on
>> real hardware. The installation took 6 minutes on an old core2 with 2G
>> ram.
>>
>> One glitch, simple to fix.. on first boot slim puked, the installer
>> had failed to sort etc/slim.conf for the new username. I used startx,
>> edited manually and rebooted, now all is good.
>>
>
> Thanks. I thought I added slim to that section of the installer last year,
> but I guess not. Will do. I see "default_user" (why twice?) and
> "auto_login". Easy.
>
>
> -fsr
>
>
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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[Hendrik Boom]

On Sun, May 08, 2016 at 12:24:33PM +0100, David Hare wrote:
> > please test also the install and other functionalities
> 
> OK, I just did (step 1, the installer). Writing from my new install on
> real hardware. The installation took 6 minutes on an old core2 with 2G
> ram.
> 
> One glitch, simple to fix.. on first boot slim puked, the installer
> had failed to sort etc/slim.conf for the new username. I used startx,
> edited manually and rebooted, now all is good.

So I google etc/slim.conf to fid out what it is, and on the  first link 
I find 
Warning: The SliM project has been abandoned (the project homepage is 
down, leaving a github mirror), 

That's on the archwiki

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SLiM

They also warn that it's incompatible with systemd.

I hope that's an arch-specific abandonment.
The gentoo page doesn't have this warning.

-- hendrik


> 
> One more. The rather elegantly styled grub menu lists "GNU/Linux" or
> "Unknown Linux Distribution", it didn't parse "Devuan". This was
> discussed before, I can't remember just now how I fixed that on my
> other install..
> 
> On 8 May 2016 at 11:05, fsmithred  wrote:
> > On 05/07/2016 08:36 PM, David Hare wrote:
> >>
> >> http://refracta.freeforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=3=569
> >>
> >
> > SPOILER ALERT!!! For anyone who didn't follow the link that David provided.
> >
> >
> > David,
> >
> > Thanks for posting instructions on creating a grub entry to boot the iso
> > directly from hard drive without virtualization. I always forget about
> > that method, and it occurs to me that I should start doing that on the
> > laptop. I've locked up my system more than once by running too many VMs at
> > the same time.
> >
> > -fsr
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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[fsmithred]

On 05/08/2016 07:24 AM, David Hare wrote:
>> please test also the install and other functionalities
> 
> OK, I just did (step 1, the installer). Writing from my new install on
> real hardware. The installation took 6 minutes on an old core2 with 2G
> ram.
> 
> One glitch, simple to fix.. on first boot slim puked, the installer
> had failed to sort etc/slim.conf for the new username. I used startx,
> edited manually and rebooted, now all is good.
> 

Thanks. I thought I added slim to that section of the installer last year,
but I guess not. Will do. I see "default_user" (why twice?) and
"auto_login". Easy.


-fsr


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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[David Hare]

echo 'GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=`lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/null || echo
Debian`'  >> /etc/default/grub

Sorted, menu now shows "Devuan" after update-grub. This file is also
missing some other (mostly commented but informative) lines.

On 8 May 2016 at 12:24, David Hare  wrote:
>> please test also the install and other functionalities
>
> OK, I just did (step 1, the installer). Writing from my new install on
> real hardware. The installation took 6 minutes on an old core2 with 2G
> ram.
>
> One glitch, simple to fix.. on first boot slim puked, the installer
> had failed to sort etc/slim.conf for the new username. I used startx,
> edited manually and rebooted, now all is good.
>
> One more. The rather elegantly styled grub menu lists "GNU/Linux" or
> "Unknown Linux Distribution", it didn't parse "Devuan". This was
> discussed before, I can't remember just now how I fixed that on my
> other install..
>
> On 8 May 2016 at 11:05, fsmithred  wrote:
>> On 05/07/2016 08:36 PM, David Hare wrote:
>>>
>>> http://refracta.freeforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=3=569
>>>
>>
>> SPOILER ALERT!!! For anyone who didn't follow the link that David provided.
>>
>>
>> David,
>>
>> Thanks for posting instructions on creating a grub entry to boot the iso
>> directly from hard drive without virtualization. I always forget about
>> that method, and it occurs to me that I should start doing that on the
>> laptop. I've locked up my system more than once by running too many VMs at
>> the same time.
>>
>> -fsr
>>
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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[David Hare]

> please test also the install and other functionalities

OK, I just did (step 1, the installer). Writing from my new install on
real hardware. The installation took 6 minutes on an old core2 with 2G
ram.

One glitch, simple to fix.. on first boot slim puked, the installer
had failed to sort etc/slim.conf for the new username. I used startx,
edited manually and rebooted, now all is good.

One more. The rather elegantly styled grub menu lists "GNU/Linux" or
"Unknown Linux Distribution", it didn't parse "Devuan". This was
discussed before, I can't remember just now how I fixed that on my
other install..

On 8 May 2016 at 11:05, fsmithred  wrote:
> On 05/07/2016 08:36 PM, David Hare wrote:
>>
>> http://refracta.freeforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=3=569
>>
>
> SPOILER ALERT!!! For anyone who didn't follow the link that David provided.
>
>
> David,
>
> Thanks for posting instructions on creating a grub entry to boot the iso
> directly from hard drive without virtualization. I always forget about
> that method, and it occurs to me that I should start doing that on the
> laptop. I've locked up my system more than once by running too many VMs at
> the same time.
>
> -fsr
>
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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[Jaromil]

On Sun, 08 May 2016, David Hare wrote:

> Testing this here with most impressive results! Some of us have been
> doing devuan-based live images since the beginning. This is probably
> the first without core system packages from 3rd-party repos ( the
> refracta snapshot and installer utilities are not actually "core
> system components").
> 
> Anyone who needs a fully-functional "Travelling OS", here it is. You
> can easily customize it with persistence and/or "live-hooks".

I'm very happy to read this works well, yet I haven't had time to test
it myself. I think we can take your reviews for granted, but please
test also the install and other functionalities. If this is considered
a good fit for a devuan live by this community then I think we can
call it "official" and include it in the upcoming beta2 release.

ciao

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[fsmithred]

On 05/07/2016 03:39 PM, Go Linux wrote:
> Earlier today fsr suggested I use the 9.3.3 version to make a snap of Devuan. 
> Not quite sure where it is on SF.
>
> golinux


Yeah, if the primary user's name is not user, then the username= option
needs to be in the boot command line. I added username=devuan in the live
isos.

And that reminds me...
Password for the user named devuan is devuan.
Password for root is devuan.

If you get as far as installing it and changing your login name, and then
you make a snapshot, you'll need to change the username= option in the
isolinux boot menu. You can either set $edit_boot_menu to "yes" in the
config file and change it manually, or you can upgrade refractasnapshot to
9.3.3, and the script will do it for you.

golinux already posted the link, but here it is again -

http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/refracta/testing/refractasnapshot-base_9.3.3_all.deb

There's also a gui version in the same folder that uses yad or zenity as a
frontend.

-fsr

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[Go Linux]

On Sat, 5/7/16, Jim Murphy <srlinuxad...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, 5/7/16, Jim Murphy <srlinuxad...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images
 To: "parazyd" <para...@dyne.org>, "dng" <dng@lists.dyne.org>
 Date: Saturday, May 7, 2016, 2:33 PM
 
 On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 1:53 PM, parazyd <para...@dyne.org> wrote:
> On Sat, 07 May 2016, fsmithred wrote:
>
>> If someone want to see what Devuan-Jessie beta looks like without
>> installing it, I made some live isos. I expect that there will eventually
>> be an official Devuan-Live, but this is not it. HTH.
>>
>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/unofficial_devuan_live/
>>
>> [snip]
>
> Nice!
>
> Care to share any scripts or the workflow you have for creating such
> ISOs?


>You might want to start a couple of levels up from the files.

>https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/
>
> I'm still looking into this myself, but refracta AFAIKT is a set of tools that
> generate a live cd named, what else, retracta.  There is a link to the
> refracta Web
> Site there.  I'm sure fsmithred could offer more info, but this may
> give you a start.
>
> Jim



OK.  I found the latest refractasnapshot 9.3.3 here:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/testing/

(Downloading now)

I've been using this software for years.  It's amazing!!

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[Go Linux]

On Sat, 5/7/16, parazyd <para...@dyne.org> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images
 To: "fsmithred" <fsmith...@gmail.com>
 Cc: "dng" <dng@lists.dyne.org>
 Date: Saturday, May 7, 2016, 1:53 PM
 
 On Sat, 07 May 2016, fsmithred wrote:


> If someone want to see what Devuan-Jessie beta looks like without
> installing it, I made some live isos. I expect that there will eventually
> be an official Devuan-Live, but this is not it. HTH.
>
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/unofficial_devuan_live/

>
> [snip]

Nice!

Care to share any scripts or the workflow you have for creating such
ISOs?

-- 
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refractasnapshot and refractainstaller

http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/documents.html

https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/tools/

Earlier today fsr suggested I use the 9.3.3 version to make a snap of Devuan.  
Not quite sure where it is on SF.

golinux

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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[Jim Murphy]

On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 1:53 PM, parazyd  wrote:
> On Sat, 07 May 2016, fsmithred wrote:
>
>> If someone want to see what Devuan-Jessie beta looks like without
>> installing it, I made some live isos. I expect that there will eventually
>> be an official Devuan-Live, but this is not it. HTH.
>>
>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/unofficial_devuan_live/
>>
>> [snip]
>
> Nice!
>
> Care to share any scripts or the workflow you have for creating such
> ISOs?


You might want to start a couple of levels up from the files.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/

I'm still looking into this myself, but refracta AFAIKT is a set of tools that
generate a live cd named, what else, retracta.  There is a link to the
refracta Web
Site there.  I'm sure fsmithred could offer more info, but this may
give you a start.

Jim
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Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[parazyd]

On Sat, 07 May 2016, fsmithred wrote:

> If someone want to see what Devuan-Jessie beta looks like without
> installing it, I made some live isos. I expect that there will eventually
> be an official Devuan-Live, but this is not it. HTH.
> 
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/unofficial_devuan_live/
> 
> [snip]

Nice!

Care to share any scripts or the workflow you have for creating such
ISOs?

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[DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images

[fsmithred]

If someone want to see what Devuan-Jessie beta looks like without
installing it, I made some live isos. I expect that there will eventually
be an official Devuan-Live, but this is not it. HTH.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/unofficial_devuan_live/


Here's the README:

UNOFFICIAL LIVE DEVUAN JESSIE BETA

This live image was created in the following manner:

Installed Devuan-Jessie-1.0.0-beta with XFCE4 in VirtualBox.
Added missing Clearlooks-Phenix-purpy theme, gtk2-engines and
gtk3-engines-xfce.
Added refractasnapshot-base, refractainstaller-base and their
dependencies. (see below)
Created live isohybrid image with refractasnapshot.

Start-Date: 2016-05-04  18:34:47
Commandline: apt-get --no-install-recommends -f install
Install: live-boot:amd64 (4.0.2-1, automatic), squashfs-tools:amd64
(4.2+20130409-2, automatic), live-config:amd64 (4.0.4-1, automatic),
mtools:amd64 (4.0.18-2, automatic), isolinux:amd64 (6.03+dfsg-5+deb8u1,
automatic), live-boot-initramfs-tools:amd64 (4.0.2-1, automatic),
syslinux:amd64 (6.03+dfsg-5+deb8u1, automatic), xorriso:amd64 (1.3.2-1.1,
automatic), syslinux-common:amd64 (6.03+dfsg-5+deb8u1, automatic),
live-config-sysvinit:amd64 (4.0.4-1, automatic), rsync:amd64 (3.1.1-3,
automatic), libisoburn1:amd64 (1.3.2-1.1, automatic)
End-Date: 2016-05-04  18:36:42

No other changes were made. All software with the exception of
refractasnapshot and refractainstaller came from the Devuan repository. No
other software repositories are configured.

You can burn this iso to DVD or copy it to a usb thumb drive with the 'dd'
command or 'cat' in exactly the same manner you would with other isohybrid
images.


To install to hard drive, run 'refractainstaller' from a root terminal.
You do not need a network connection during the installation.
You will be asked a few questions, and then the running live system will
be copied to the selected partition(s). Any configuration changes you made
during the live session will be copied to the installation. There may be
some excpetions to this, as certain system files are excluded from the copy.
See /usr/lib/refractainstaller/installer_exclude.list and
/etc/refractainstaller.conf for details and additional options.


Once installed, you can create your own live-CD copy of your system, with
your software and configuration changes by running 'refractasnapshot' from
a root terminal.
See /usr/lib/refractasnapshot/snapshot_exclude.list and
/etc/refractasnapshot.conf for configuration options.


- fsmithred@May 6, 2016
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