Re: [DNG] Which DE?
On Sun, 24 May 2020 16:20:05 +0200 "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" wrote: > TDE with it's qt3 fork :) Going down that rabbit hole, I see that Exe GNU/Linux uses it by default and is also using Devuan. This seems to be a trivial way for me to check out TDE at its finest. http://exegnulinux.net/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which DE?
Anno domini 2020 Sun, 24 May 09:28:58 -0400 Hendrik Boom scripsit: > On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 11:55:43AM +, aitor_czr wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On 05/24/2020 11:28 AM, al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: > > > I still have some doubts if LXQt could be a better choice. > > > > > > Thanks again for your support > > > Regards > > > > I have my doubts about Qt in general: > > > > https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-offering-changes-2020 > > What similar tools stil *are* free? And likely to remain so. TDE with it's qt3 fork :) > > And reasonably debugged and useable? > > And conseptually and physically simple? > > -- hendrik > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which DE?
On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 11:55:43AM +, aitor_czr wrote: > Hi, > > On 05/24/2020 11:28 AM, al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: > > I still have some doubts if LXQt could be a better choice. > > > > Thanks again for your support > > Regards > > I have my doubts about Qt in general: > > https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-offering-changes-2020 What similar tools stil *are* free? And likely to remain so. And reasonably debugged and useable? And conseptually and physically simple? -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which DE?
Hi, On 05/24/2020 11:28 AM, al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: I still have some doubts if LXQt could be a better choice. Thanks again for your support Regards I have my doubts about Qt in general: https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-offering-changes-2020 Cheers, Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which DE?
Tue, 25 Feb 2020 16:29:58 +0100 - al3xu5 / dotcommon : > I am using Devuan (2.1) + MATE DE since 08/2016... > Now I wish to change DE but I am in doubt: XFCE or LXDE or LXQt??? > Please, based on your experience and knowledge of Devuan and DEs, can > you help me in choosing (avoiding me to invest too much time doing long > experiments)? > > Consider that I mainly use office applications (libreoffice), realtime audio > (rec, play, editing) jack + alsa (no pulseaudio), graphical editing with icc > color management (mainly gimp and inkscape), scripting (mainly bash, html + > css + php ), virtualization with qemu-kvm and virt-manager ... and I would > like a de that has the least dependencies but also remains stable and > "comfortable" in configuration, personalization and use... After successfully upgrading to Beowulf, and after carefully evaluating all the opinions and considerations received (thanks to everyone), I did some experiments... and finally migrated from MATE to LXDE. I am really very happy with the result. I have all the applications and features I need; there are far fewer dependencies; the use of system memory is less; the system is stable and much more responsive; the performance with qemu-kvm virtualization is excellent... System configuration and customization turned out to be less difficult and demanding than I thought. In short, a great general improvement. I still have some doubts if LXQt could be a better choice. Thanks again for your support Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgp95fJKA9OL6.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which DE?
Quoting spiralofhope (spiralofh...@spiralofhope.com): > If memory serves, GTK3 has had a history of incredibly stupid decisions > mid-version which broke a number of things like aspects of themes. For > example, my GTK3 apps no longer have underlined hotkeys until I hold > the alt key. Quite. These are some of the reasons why I applaud the LXDE team (with their Razor-Qt partners) for making the difficult but wise decision to jump ship from GTK and migrate to Qt (for LXQt). It shows a commendable ability to rationally plan. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which DE?
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > Your comment is a general truth but LXDE is a special case: [...] You just talked all _around_ my point, but didn't address it. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which DE?
Quoting goli...@devuan.org (goli...@devuan.org): > There are always exceptions to broad generalizations. This camp has > many LXDE aficionados who might find your declaration that LXDE is > dead rather counterproductive. As a reminder, I said the _project_ is dead, not that LXDE is. That distinction's not even nuanced. It's super-wide. E.g., I rely on the procmail codebase every single day as my LDA (local delivery agent) and filtering tool. It hasn't had an upstream development team in about two decades. (Of course, it's rather more self-contained than is a DE, and far, far less in need of ongoing maintenance and development.) Anyway, to closely paraphrase the late Sen. Moynihan, they're entitled to their own opinions but not to their own facts. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which DE?
On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 15:23:18 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting goli...@devuan.org (goli...@devuan.org): > > > Have you read the beowulf release notes? > > I'm a bit behind, sorry. > > > LXDE is available and quite functional with a few caveats. > > I'm sure it is. My comment is nonetheless a general truth. > LXDE is effectively a several-years-dead project. Your comment is a general truth but LXDE is a special case: * It's subjectively a little more reliable and a lot easier to configure and use than LXQt. * LXDE is a very nice "gentle intro" into Openbox and LXQt. * In the future, when LXDE either becomes unavailable or has security problems, transition to LXQt is as easy as http://troubleshooters.com/linux/quickhacks.htm#startxlxqt The general truth is it's best to stop using deprecated software as soon as there's a half decent alternative (which LXQt is). The exception is that in this case, conversion at any time is so easy, it's best to use the mature deprecated software until there's a real reason to get rid of it. SteveT Steve Litt March 2020 featured book: Troubleshooting: Why Bother? http://www.troubleshooters.com/twb ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which DE?
On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 12:03:53 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > LXDE > is one of many projects who looked at the dismaying near-total rewrite > required for migrating to GTK3 (and GTK's increasing GNOME-centric > nature) and made the agonising decision to bail and migrated sideways > to Qt. If memory serves, GTK3 has had a history of incredibly stupid decisions mid-version which broke a number of things like aspects of themes. For example, my GTK3 apps no longer have underlined hotkeys until I hold the alt key. I just re-confirmed with spacefm (gtk2) versus spacefm-gtk3. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which DE?
On 2020-03-16 17:23, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting goli...@devuan.org (goli...@devuan.org): Have you read the beowulf release notes? I'm a bit behind, sorry. LXDE is available and quite functional with a few caveats. I'm sure it is. My comment is nonetheless a general truth. LXDE is effectively a several-years-dead project. There are always exceptions to broad generalizations. This camp has many LXDE aficionados who might find your declaration that LXDE is dead rather counterproductive. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which DE?
Quoting goli...@devuan.org (goli...@devuan.org): > Have you read the beowulf release notes? I'm a bit behind, sorry. > LXDE is available and quite functional with a few caveats. I'm sure it is. My comment is nonetheless a general truth. LXDE is effectively a several-years-dead project. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which DE?
On 2020-03-16 14:03, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting al3xu5 / dotcommon (dotcom...@autistici.org): I think LXDE could be a good compromise for me, because it has openbox but it is faster to configure and more "close" in use for those who come from a different "ready-made" DM... Be aware that LXDE is EOLed and pretty much has no future because of being based on GTK2. The successor project, based on the Qt graphics library instead -- where all the developer energy went -- is LXQt. GTK2 has been, as to development, dead as a doornail since 2011. LXDE is one of many projects who looked at the dismaying near-total rewrite required for migrating to GTK3 (and GTK's increasing GNOME-centric nature) and made the agonising decision to bail and migrated sideways to Qt. Have you read the beowulf release notes? LXDE is available and quite functional with a few caveats. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which DE?
Quoting al3xu5 / dotcommon (dotcom...@autistici.org): > I think LXDE could be a good compromise for me, because it has openbox but it > is faster to configure and more "close" in use for those who come from a > different "ready-made" DM... Be aware that LXDE is EOLed and pretty much has no future because of being based on GTK2. The successor project, based on the Qt graphics library instead -- where all the developer energy went -- is LXQt. GTK2 has been, as to development, dead as a doornail since 2011. LXDE is one of many projects who looked at the dismaying near-total rewrite required for migrating to GTK3 (and GTK's increasing GNOME-centric nature) and made the agonising decision to bail and migrated sideways to Qt. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which DE?
On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 16:56:36 +0100 al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: > Someone asked why wanting to change MATE, the reason is the concern > of being sooner or later "forced" to do so in case MATE evolves too > much in directions that do not seem "appropriate" to me (systemd > oriented deps, freedesktop / gnome3 "external" deps, wayland etc.) ... > > I have read the release notes for MATE 1.24 [1] and the roadmap [2] > and some things seemed worrying to me: > - they say "If your system doesn't, uh, support systemd [...]" uh ??? > why uh ??? [snip] > > The ideal for me would certainly be a pure openbox WM. The preceding is what I use, although I add in dmenu and xbattmon. > But at the > moment it would take me too long to arrive at a satisfactory > configuration such as usability and pleasantness, in addition to the > effort to change many of my habits ... > > I think LXDE could be a good compromise for me, because it has > openbox but it is faster to configure and more "close" in use for > those who come from a different "ready-made" DM... Not only that, but you can develop hotkeys and workflow on LXDE, and carry them over to Openbox later. You can incorporate dmenu with hotkey on LXDE, learn to use it, and then when it's time transfer that knowledge and ability to Openbox. > > For now I am continuing to use MATE ... Soon I will do the upgrade > ASCII -> Beowulf and then decide what to do... > > In the meantime, it would be useful for me to understand better if my > concerns about MATE are sensible or are just some form of paranoia Given the behavior of Linux-related software in the last 4 years, if it's paranoia, it's justified paranoia. I don't know anything about mate, but I can tell you I've seen a disturbing slide of my former favorite, Xfce, to the dark side. If it's paranoia, I share your paranoia. Add in the fact that, regardless of other WM/DE's Freedesktop.Org trifles and trinkets, Openbox plus dmenu plus xbattmon plus UMENU2 and optionally plus fbpanel is an insanely productive environment for anyone who is a competent (35wpm) touch-typist. SteveT Steve Litt March 2020 featured book: Troubleshooting: Why Bother? http://www.troubleshooters.com/twb ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which DE?
25/02/2020 16:29:58 +0100 al3xu5 / dotcommon : > So what you suggest should be the first choice to bet on? First of all I would like to thank you all for the many interesting and useful answers. As I mentioned, my desire is to have a highly usable, easily configurable, stable over time UI. The problem is that I don't have much time available to implement a highly customized solution: for this reason I have been using MATE since its early releases (to avoid gnome3) and I can't decide to change. Someone asked why wanting to change MATE, the reason is the concern of being sooner or later "forced" to do so in case MATE evolves too much in directions that do not seem "appropriate" to me (systemd oriented deps, freedesktop / gnome3 "external" deps, wayland etc.) ... I have read the release notes for MATE 1.24 [1] and the roadmap [2] and some things seemed worrying to me: - they say "If your system doesn't, uh, support systemd [...]" uh ??? why uh ??? - they are going to: "Add support for AccountsService" "Complete support for systemd-logind" "Add support for Wayland" However, keeping in mind the advices I received from all you, I did some quick tests using a VM. The ideal for me would certainly be a pure openbox WM. But at the moment it would take me too long to arrive at a satisfactory configuration such as usability and pleasantness, in addition to the effort to change many of my habits ... I think LXDE could be a good compromise for me, because it has openbox but it is faster to configure and more "close" in use for those who come from a different "ready-made" DM... For now I am continuing to use MATE ... Soon I will do the upgrade ASCII -> Beowulf and then decide what to do... In the meantime, it would be useful for me to understand better if my concerns about MATE are sensible or are just some form of paranoia ... I thank those who want to give me an opinion on this. Regards [1] https://mate-desktop.org/blog/2020-02-10-mate-1-24-released/ [2] https://wiki.mate-desktop.org/#!pages/roadmap.md pgp4DNpDXUkMf.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which DE?
Hi Steve, On 3/3/20 20:05, Steve Litt wrote: On Mon, 02 Mar 2020 08:11:49 +0100 "J. Fahrner via Dng" wrote: Am 2020-03-01 23:07, schrieb aitor: My vote is for tint2. I also vote for openbox with tint2. Last night I installed tint2 on my OpenBox. Seems to work very nicely. The tint2conf configuration tool that ships with it is horribly incomplete, so config must be done manually via file edit and then applied via killall -SIGUSR1, which would be very difficult for non-power-users. if you don't want to tediously configure it yourself, install Bunsenlabshttps://www.bunsenlabs.org/ and then migrate it to Devuan.tint2) & #(sleep 5s && tint2 -c ~/.config/tint2/tint2rc1) & Bunsenlabs has a nice theme and helper scripts for the openbox menu. It saves you a lot of work. That's good info, because tint2conf sucks. SteveT It's possible to display several tint2 panels with different configurations by adding: tint2 & tint2 -c ~/.config/tint2/tint2rc1 & to your ~/.config/openbox/autostart file. The first one'll use ~/.config/tint2/tint2rc by default. On the other hand, I'm aware that you are an openbox user, and maybe the following logout yad script will be useful for you: https://sourceforge.net/p/yad-dialog/wiki/Examples/ It doesn't depend on dbus, as opposed to bunsenlabs logout dialog (at least time ago), developed by Corenominal. Cheers, Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which DE?
Hi Jochen, On 2/3/20 8:11, J. Fahrner via Dng wrote: Am 2020-03-01 23:07, schrieb aitor: My vote is for tint2. I also vote for openbox with tint2. if you don't want to tediously configure it yourself, install Bunsenlabs https://www.bunsenlabs.org/ and then migrate it to Devuan. Bunsenlabs has a nice theme and helper scripts for the openbox menu. It saves you a lot of work. Jochen I use the same configuration for tint2 than bunsenlabs (i'm registered in both the english and spanish forums, and the currently non existent www.bunsenlabs.es dominium initially was paid by me years ago). On the other hand, I'm also working on a launcher for tint2, named popupmenu, but i'm using it as a replacement for the default menu of openbox when you do a right click in the screen so far: https://git.devuan.org/aitor_czr/popupmenu/blob/master/screenshot.png Its response is immediate, since it's multithreaded and it's displayed at the same time than the installed applications are hunted on the fly. At this point I have he doubt about how to display this menu according to the tint2 geometry. Johan Malm is also working on a similar project named jgmenu (the *sbuf* features used in simple-netaid have been taken from his project): https://github.com/johanmalm/jgmenu This menu seems to use an unix socket for setting the (x, y) coordinates, but i still didn't give it a try. I'd like to contact with the author in order to deal with this issue between us and the tint2 developers altogether. Another alternative to the mentioned menus might be Steve Litt's dmenu: http://troubleshooters.com/linux/ctwm/dmenu.htm Cheers, Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which DE?
On Mon, 02 Mar 2020 08:11:49 +0100 "J. Fahrner via Dng" wrote: > Am 2020-03-01 23:07, schrieb aitor: > > > My vote is for tint2. > > I also vote for openbox with tint2. Last night I installed tint2 on my OpenBox. Seems to work very nicely. The tint2conf configuration tool that ships with it is horribly incomplete, so config must be done manually via file edit and then applied via killall -SIGUSR1, which would be very difficult for non-power-users. > > if you don't want to tediously configure it yourself, install > Bunsenlabs https://www.bunsenlabs.org/ and then migrate it to Devuan. > Bunsenlabs has a nice theme and helper scripts for the openbox menu. > It saves you a lot of work. That's good info, because tint2conf sucks. SteveT Steve Litt February 2020 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which DE?
Am 2020-03-01 23:07, schrieb aitor: My vote is for tint2. I also vote for openbox with tint2. if you don't want to tediously configure it yourself, install Bunsenlabs https://www.bunsenlabs.org/ and then migrate it to Devuan. Bunsenlabs has a nice theme and helper scripts for the openbox menu. It saves you a lot of work. Jochen ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which DE?
On Sun, 1 Mar 2020 23:07:33 +0100 aitor wrote: > On 1/3/20 11:56, spiralofhope wrote: > > On Sun, 1 Mar 2020 04:12:07 -0500 > > Steve Litt wrote: > > > >> OpenBox, which I consider the best of the bunch if you don't need a > >> panel > > My vote is for fbpanel or lxpanel. > My vote is for tint2. Wow, it's been almost 11 years since I've checked it out. It's come a long way. A big +1 on this; it'll do solid GUI config and easy multi-monitor support. I've got things set up with lxpanel how I like, but tint2 will be my alternative. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which DE?
On 1/3/20 11:56, spiralofhope wrote: On Sun, 1 Mar 2020 04:12:07 -0500 Steve Litt wrote: OpenBox, which I consider the best of the bunch if you don't need a panel My vote is for fbpanel or lxpanel. My vote is for tint2. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which DE?
il devuanizzato Steve Litt il 01-03-20 10:13:59 ha
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On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 21:04:10 +0100
viverna wrote:
il devuanizzato al3xu5 / dotcommon il
25-02-20 16:29:58 ha scritto:
>So what you suggest should be the first choice to bet on?
LXDE+openbox for me or openbox only.
I concur. If you like them, you'll like them even better by simply
incorporating Suckless Tools' dmenu via hotkey.
Yes, already done!
And while there are, I enabled shortcut with:
- scrot
- root-menu openbox in LXDE
- numeric keypad to move/resize windows
- semi tiling
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On Sun, 1 Mar 2020 04:12:07 -0500 Steve Litt wrote: > OpenBox, which I consider the best of the bunch if you don't need a > panel My vote is for fbpanel or lxpanel. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which DE?
On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 16:29:58 +0100 al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: > Hi all > > I am using Devuan (2.1) + MATE DE since 08/2016... > Now I wish to change DE but I am in doubt: XFCE or LXDE or LXQt??? > > Please, based on your experience and knowledge of Devuan and DEs, can > you help me in choosing (avoiding me to invest too much time doing > long experiments)? al3xu5, Assuming you have excellent access to both, are you more of a keyboard guy or a mouse guy? Can you type faster than 30 wpm, and do you know the keyboard without looking? The answers to these questions go a long way to selecting the proper WM/DE. SteveT Steve Litt February 2020 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 21:04:10 +0100 viverna wrote: > il devuanizzato al3xu5 / dotcommon il > 25-02-20 16:29:58 ha scritto: > >So what you suggest should be the first choice to bet on? > LXDE+openbox for me or openbox only. > I concur. If you like them, you'll like them even better by simply incorporating Suckless Tools' dmenu via hotkey. SteveT Steve Litt February 2020 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 13:58:29 -0500 Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 04:29:58PM +0100, al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: > > Hi all > > > > I am using Devuan (2.1) + MATE DE since 08/2016... > > Now I wish to change DE but I am in doubt: XFCE or LXDE or LXQt??? > > I've used XFCE and LXQt. I hapen to be using LXQt now. I'm happy > with either. I'm also happy with Icewm. LXDE is wonderful. LXQt is great once you get it set up right, and I have some content on how to do that on Troubleshooters.Com. IceWM is lighter weight than either of those, it's wonderful in every respect except one: Its menu system sucks. If I were to seriously use IceWM, I'd incorporate Suckless Tools' dmenu to start programs, and perhaps my UMENU2 to handle other menuing situations. Note that I consider dmenu a great addition to any WM/DE, but with IceWM it's crucial. By installing LXDE, you're also installing OpenBox, which I consider the best of the bunch if you don't need a panel (The thing Bill Gates called a status bar). Once again, with OpenBox dmenu is vital. I'm not a fan of XFCE. It's kind of bloaty, and my experience on Linux (but not on OpenBSD), is that it's a little buggy. Quite useable, but it sometimes lets me down. There's a whole different genre called Tiling WM/DEs, but I assume because you speak of LXDE, LXQt and XFCE, those wouldn't interest you. Troubleshooters.Com has several articles on how to incorporate dmenu into almost any WM/DE. You only need to learn dmenu once, and then you can use it on everything. HTH, SteveT Steve Litt February 2020 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which DE?
Anno domini 2020 Thu, 27 Feb 21:34:32 +0100 viverna scripsit: > il devuanizzato Dr. Nikolaus Klepp il 26-02-20 21:43:41 ha > scritto: > >Anno domini 2020 Wed, 26 Feb 20:15:59 +0100 > > viverna scripsit: > >> I don't try Trinity, there is in Devuan repo? > >> > > > >add these, they work for beowulf, too: > > > >deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity-sb buster deps-r14 > >extra-r14 main-r14 > >deb-src http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity-sb buster deps-r14 > >extra-r14 main-r14 > > > >Then install trinity-keyring and then tde-trinity. > > > >Nik > A curiosity please... why isn't in official Devuan repo? > Nobody had time to fix the naming :) Actually you can replace "buster" by "beowulf", but as it's only a link to the buster repository, you get a warning. And as there's no systemd or other debian specific dependency, it's just the naming. Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which DE?
il devuanizzato Dr. Nikolaus Klepp il 26-02-20 21:43:41 ha
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Anno domini 2020 Wed, 26 Feb 20:15:59 +0100
viverna scripsit:
I don't try Trinity, there is in Devuan repo?
add these, they work for beowulf, too:
deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity-sb buster deps-r14 extra-r14
main-r14
deb-src http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity-sb buster deps-r14
extra-r14 main-r14
Then install trinity-keyring and then tde-trinity.
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A curiosity please... why isn't in official Devuan repo?
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 21:04:10 +0100 viverna wrote: > il devuanizzato al3xu5 / dotcommon il > 25-02-20 16:29:58 ha scritto: > > > I am using Devuan (2.1) + MATE DE since 08/2016... > > Now I wish to change DE but I am in doubt: XFCE or LXDE or LXQt??? > > LXDE is ancestor of LXQt. However is a wonderful DE mostly with > openbox combination. Openbox is great even alone. For many years I had been loyal to LXDE, doing customized installations based on lxde-core on top of a minimal base install. It was the most lightweight DE known to me (and I don't like XFCE's "comic sans" feeling, nor thunar). So it was clear that I'd try LXQt quite soon - not only as LXDE's successor, but also as an expression of my pleasure in the merging of two interesting projects (LXDE and Razor-qt) in times of "forks everywhere". As Viverna, I chose to stay with openbox, which had been the LXDE (as well as ascii LXqt) default - with beowulf, LXqt has changed its default to xfwm4. libre Grüße, Florian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEELAr/aHjRNwfZVZJo7kVJef5EH9YFAl5XAcQACgkQ7kVJef5E H9Yp2w/+Kw+xWkcfNGJmPJm3qhkCwEJWzsWT65VAanmqobmR31P2PncnJxnxt8WM v+YmFoWeUHh7BtGUC4OMtudhQSi0YOz3XP9MnO+10Mg7ZQTv3j/cEfJvNjlT4cjW 8SFnfMSD+FDWPNluV2APZNXTds52thkweIpugbcE9N0NkFJfKrYAKgv/wI+3vMGD kNXGq3F+S+JzWPgK+u4QRb4+bvRi7GKB5sbU1hEBlLhMesdql3jSBOMmlCOR8cxR Gqcfl6wmLA77jVheIEvSvlUmbk4bAihwYQe5L4a8ogbYOil14MeEES+HXXL2k2hk cqUYrSib2+pDBfkOz1D1zK4JZvEwN+tYuN05Z2C6HuzCdp9oM4ZCaEht0EghiVaq 5zZYqv5XYdQNRYjgyyrbt0KcNNWbQ5p4xhasMkMy/oJNcyHju/nUOcyGJAUMel19 bj/NGKYpewBcp8vAwvpzR58bQAU+IdkrBJF3BQm48IiaZj471QAwkjjphnMzJBX4 pdai/T1ypLtB7WdJvX9g1Fw3TDDYylPKUCk/VHB7Y1SClSWIA/Osxl2wwTGHG05w CN6abVoPAlZ2DH/TqTptRCNGfC3b6jvBJAKjo+m//yYWBSrvqKgt9o4XcpT/ZMPz HQtPA2JRINkJ1Qd5UeTdmys3LkiiUlhmriGU5jt8Eh5HO40bCYQ= =8wy8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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Anno domini 2020 Wed, 26 Feb 20:15:59 +0100 viverna scripsit: > il devuanizzato Dimitris via Dng il 26-02-20 14:07:14 ha > scritto: > >On 2/25/20 10:07 PM, viverna wrote: > >> LXDE is ancestor of LXQt. However is a wonderful DE mostly with openbox > >> combination. Openbox is great even alone. > > > >MATE with Openbox is a lighter possibility too.. > Yes, MATE is a good DE (fork of Gnome 2 before Gnome 3 madness). Time > ago Gnome 2 has been my first choice DE... > > >kinda of think of those as systemd-like DEs, bloated to the bone.). > Kde3 and Gnome2 are best version of the corresponding DE. Gnome3 are > very very insane and "phone-centric". Kde4 is too big. > > However some KDE apps are very good. I use it often. > > >LXDE is not abandoned, but it's missing stuff that you have to get from > >other DEs (=download extra libs, packages..), same as LXQT which is > >very interesting.. > LXDE is perfect for me. This is my opinion. > > >Trinity was very buggy last 2 times i tried it, completely unusable for > >me.. (even though my first ever DE was kde3 and i wanted it to work > >for old times sake... :D ) > I don't try Trinity, there is in Devuan repo? > add these, they work for beowulf, too: deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity-sb buster deps-r14 extra-r14 main-r14 deb-src http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity-sb buster deps-r14 extra-r14 main-r14 Then install trinity-keyring and then tde-trinity. Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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il devuanizzato Dimitris via Dng il 26-02-20 14:07:14 ha
scritto:
On 2/25/20 10:07 PM, viverna wrote:
LXDE is ancestor of LXQt. However is a wonderful DE mostly with openbox
combination. Openbox is great even alone.
MATE with Openbox is a lighter possibility too..
Yes, MATE is a good DE (fork of Gnome 2 before Gnome 3 madness). Time
ago Gnome 2 has been my first choice DE...
kinda of think of those as systemd-like DEs, bloated to the bone.).
Kde3 and Gnome2 are best version of the corresponding DE. Gnome3 are
very very insane and "phone-centric". Kde4 is too big.
However some KDE apps are very good. I use it often.
LXDE is not abandoned, but it's missing stuff that you have to get from
other DEs (=download extra libs, packages..), same as LXQT which is
very interesting..
LXDE is perfect for me. This is my opinion.
Trinity was very buggy last 2 times i tried it, completely unusable for
me.. (even though my first ever DE was kde3 and i wanted it to work
for old times sake... :D )
I don't try Trinity, there is in Devuan repo?
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On 2/25/20 10:07 PM, viverna wrote: > LXDE is ancestor of LXQt. However is a wonderful DE mostly with openbox > combination. Openbox is great even alone. MATE with Openbox is a lighter possibility too.. i've been changing DEs, DMs regurarly, but always find myself going back to MATE. (lately i've tried enlightement... works well - a bit buggy) most DEs are either buggy or feautureless. (will NOT try GNOME/KDE, i kinda of think of those as systemd-like DEs, bloated to the bone.). other than that, i'd say MATE covers most needed desktop features, and XFCE comes shortly after.. LXDE is not abandoned, but it's missing stuff that you have to get from other DEs (=download extra libs, packages..), same as LXQT which is very interesting.. Trinity was very buggy last 2 times i tried it, completely unusable for me.. (even though my first ever DE was kde3 and i wanted it to work for old times sake... :D ) back to MATE, it now (versions > 1.24) offers official no-systemd support for mate-session, so it's certainly a positive attitude, other modern DEs lack.. just 2c, d. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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Quoting al3xu5 / dotcommon (dotcom...@autistici.org): > I am using Devuan (2.1) + MATE DE since 08/2016... > Now I wish to change DE but I am in doubt: XFCE or LXDE or LXQt??? A possibly novel thought: How about starting your exploration with 'none of the above'? Based on your description of your usage of Linux, I am puzzled by your impilicit assumption that you must use a Desktop Environment. It sounds to me like that is simply untrue. I'm also puzzled by your assumption that doing a comparison would require 'too much time doing long experiments'. In my experience, that is not the case. Try, for starters, window managers without the DE complications. You might like one, and thus be better off. http://www.xwinman.org/ (always a bit out of date, but always useful) > So what you suggest should be the first choice to bet on? Try a few classic window managers such as OpenBox, Blackbox, FVWM, WindowMaker, etc. Don't 'bet on' one. Exercise your birthright of freedom to explore what is available. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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On Tue, 25 Feb 2020, al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: > Hi all > > I am using Devuan (2.1) + MATE DE since 08/2016... > Now I wish to change DE but I am in doubt: XFCE or LXDE or LXQt??? You've had lots of comments, but nobody has asked you WHY you wish to change. What is wrong with MATE, for you? > > Please, based on your experience and knowledge of Devuan and DEs, can > you help me in choosing (avoiding me to invest too much time doing long > experiments)? > > Consider that I mainly use office applications (libreoffice), realtime audio > (rec, play, editing) jack + alsa (no pulseaudio), graphical editing with icc > color management (mainly gimp and inkscape), scripting (mainly bash, html + > css > + php ), virtualization with qemu-kvm and virt-manager ... and I would like a > de that has the least dependencies but also remains stable and "comfortable" > in > configuration, personalization and use... > > So what you suggest should be the first choice to bet on? > > Thanks in advance > > -- > al3xu5 > > Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design > restrictions. > > Public GPG/PGP key > ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 > Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 22:44:10 +0100 Harald Arnesen via Dng wrote: > Do you drink beer or wine, Pepsi or Coke? Same thing. emacs or vi, it's all text. ;) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 16:29:58 +0100 al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: > and I would like a > de that has the least dependencies but also remains stable and > "comfortable" in configuration, personalization and use... I've only had XFCE experience out of your three, and that's really only because I prefer Openbox. My install inherits a lot of simple UI and hotkeys that I've customized over the years[1] (all the way from Blackbox), but I wouldn't call it particularly easy to customize if you're looking for GUI tools outside of basic window style/colors. Regarding "stable and comfortable". They have a large user base and are mature projects, so they're stable. Devuan inherits these things from Debian. For comfortable, all DEs are, by their nature, kind of the same thing until you look at philosophy-oddities like those built around something like ratpoison.[2] Regarding dependencies, is this simply a philosophy issue or is there some reason behind this? There could be "a lot" of dependencies for one DE, but it's because the design is to shatter all the functionality into independent specialized packages, which is actually a really great thing. If you're concerned about "lightness" then that's difficult to pin down and there are a lot of poorly-backed claims about this. Lightness tends to be another philosophy issue and isn't at all important to today's computers until you get to environments with 3D windowing effects and the like. I don't think a desktop environment would have any impact on your choice of applications. I've also run without pulseaudio and most of your applications with no difficulty. (Though I'm not familiar with icc color management at all, does that matter to the desktop environment?) [1] https://github.com/spiralofhope/misc-configuration/blob/master/live/openbox/rc.xml [2] http://www.nongnu.org/ratpoison/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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al3xu5 / dotcommon [25/02/2020 16.29]: > I am using Devuan (2.1) + MATE DE since 08/2016... > Now I wish to change DE but I am in doubt: XFCE or LXDE or LXQt??? Do you drink beer or wine, Pepsi or Coke? Same thing. -- Hilsen Harald ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which DE?
il devuanizzato al3xu5 / dotcommon il 25-02-20
16:29:58 ha scritto:
Hi all
I am using Devuan (2.1) + MATE DE since 08/2016...
Now I wish to change DE but I am in doubt: XFCE or LXDE or LXQt???
LXDE is ancestor of LXQt. However is a wonderful DE mostly with openbox
combination. Openbox is great even alone.
Please, based on your experience and knowledge of Devuan and DEs, can
you help me in choosing (avoiding me to invest too much time doing long
experiments)?
I would install in your place all WM/DE that I would try. Then remove
all graphical login manager and use WM/DE launcher (ax) available here:
https://notabug.org/viverna/ax
So what you suggest should be the first choice to bet on?
LXDE+openbox for me or openbox only.
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Hi, En 25 de febrero de 2020 20:40:12 Tito via Dng escribió: On 2/25/20 4:40 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: Hi! Anno domini 2020 Tue, 25 Feb 16:29:58 +0100 al3xu5 / dotcommon scripsit: Hi all I am using Devuan (2.1) + MATE DE since 08/2016... Now I wish to change DE but I am in doubt: XFCE or LXDE or LXQt??? Please, based on your experience and knowledge of Devuan and DEs, can you help me in choosing (avoiding me to invest too much time doing long experiments)? IMO you should definitly try TDE https://trinitydesktop.org ... but you could also say that I'm a bit biased here :) Nik Consider that I mainly use office applications (libreoffice), realtime audio (rec, play, editing) jack + alsa (no pulseaudio), graphical editing with icc color management (mainly gimp and inkscape), scripting (mainly bash, html + css + php ), virtualization with qemu-kvm and virt-manager ... and I would like a de that has the least dependencies but also remains stable and "comfortable" in configuration, personalization and use... So what you suggest should be the first choice to bet on? Thanks in advance Hi, I have XFCE and KDE installed and both work, but I mostly use XFCE (with some KDE apps) because it is more lightweight and because KDE sometimes at random reshuffle my desktop icons which I hate... Ciao, Tito Imho, the best DE is the one not drawing attention to itself; this is the reason why i mostly use a window-manager instead. Aitor. Enviado con AquaMail para Android https://www.mobisystems.com/aqua-mail ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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il devuanizzato al3xu5 / dotcommon il 25-02-20
16:29:58 ha scritto:
Hi all
I am using Devuan (2.1) + MATE DE since 08/2016...
Now I wish to change DE but I am in doubt: XFCE or LXDE or LXQt???
LXDE is ancestor of LXQt. However is a wonderful DE mostly with openbox
combination. Openbox is great even alone.
Please, based on your experience and knowledge of Devuan and DEs, can
you help me in choosing (avoiding me to invest too much time doing long
experiments)?
I would install in your place all WM/DE that I would try. Then remove
all graphical login manager and use WM/DE launcher (ax) available here:
https://notabug.org/viverna/ax
So what you suggest should be the first choice to bet on?
LXDE+openbox for me or openbox only.
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On 2/25/20 4:40 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: Hi! Anno domini 2020 Tue, 25 Feb 16:29:58 +0100 al3xu5 / dotcommon scripsit: Hi all I am using Devuan (2.1) + MATE DE since 08/2016... Now I wish to change DE but I am in doubt: XFCE or LXDE or LXQt??? Please, based on your experience and knowledge of Devuan and DEs, can you help me in choosing (avoiding me to invest too much time doing long experiments)? IMO you should definitly try TDE https://trinitydesktop.org ... but you could also say that I'm a bit biased here :) Nik Consider that I mainly use office applications (libreoffice), realtime audio (rec, play, editing) jack + alsa (no pulseaudio), graphical editing with icc color management (mainly gimp and inkscape), scripting (mainly bash, html + css + php ), virtualization with qemu-kvm and virt-manager ... and I would like a de that has the least dependencies but also remains stable and "comfortable" in configuration, personalization and use... So what you suggest should be the first choice to bet on? Thanks in advance Hi, I have XFCE and KDE installed and both work, but I mostly use XFCE (with some KDE apps) because it is more lightweight and because KDE sometimes at random reshuffle my desktop icons which I hate... Ciao, Tito ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 04:29:58PM +0100, al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: > Hi all > > I am using Devuan (2.1) + MATE DE since 08/2016... > Now I wish to change DE but I am in doubt: XFCE or LXDE or LXQt??? I've used XFCE and LXQt. I hapen to be using LXQt now. I'm happy with either. I'm also happy with Icewm. My advice: just instal aall three. Use a different one every day. You get to choose one when you log in. You'll know which you like quite soom while doing your normal workload. And my guess is that you'll soon discover that it doesn't matter much. > > Please, based on your experience and knowledge of Devuan and DEs, can > you help me in choosing (avoiding me to invest too much time doing long > experiments)? The only significant time you'll "invest" is the time to install them. The "experiments" will be just doing what you normally do on your computer. Something yuo'll be doing anyway. -- hendrik > > Consider that I mainly use office applications (libreoffice), realtime audio > (rec, play, editing) jack + alsa (no pulseaudio), graphical editing with icc > color management (mainly gimp and inkscape), scripting (mainly bash, html + > css > + php ), virtualization with qemu-kvm and virt-manager ... and I would like a > de that has the least dependencies but also remains stable and "comfortable" > in > configuration, personalization and use... > > So what you suggest should be the first choice to bet on? > > Thanks in advance > > -- > al3xu5 > > Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design > restrictions. > > Public GPG/PGP key > ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 > Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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Hi! Anno domini 2020 Tue, 25 Feb 16:29:58 +0100 al3xu5 / dotcommon scripsit: > Hi all > > I am using Devuan (2.1) + MATE DE since 08/2016... > Now I wish to change DE but I am in doubt: XFCE or LXDE or LXQt??? > > Please, based on your experience and knowledge of Devuan and DEs, can > you help me in choosing (avoiding me to invest too much time doing long > experiments)? IMO you should definitly try TDE https://trinitydesktop.org ... but you could also say that I'm a bit biased here :) Nik > Consider that I mainly use office applications (libreoffice), realtime audio > (rec, play, editing) jack + alsa (no pulseaudio), graphical editing with icc > color management (mainly gimp and inkscape), scripting (mainly bash, html + > css > + php ), virtualization with qemu-kvm and virt-manager ... and I would like a > de that has the least dependencies but also remains stable and "comfortable" > in > configuration, personalization and use... > > So what you suggest should be the first choice to bet on? > > Thanks in advance > -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Which DE?
Hi all I am using Devuan (2.1) + MATE DE since 08/2016... Now I wish to change DE but I am in doubt: XFCE or LXDE or LXQt??? Please, based on your experience and knowledge of Devuan and DEs, can you help me in choosing (avoiding me to invest too much time doing long experiments)? Consider that I mainly use office applications (libreoffice), realtime audio (rec, play, editing) jack + alsa (no pulseaudio), graphical editing with icc color management (mainly gimp and inkscape), scripting (mainly bash, html + css + php ), virtualization with qemu-kvm and virt-manager ... and I would like a de that has the least dependencies but also remains stable and "comfortable" in configuration, personalization and use... So what you suggest should be the first choice to bet on? Thanks in advance -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpTf8IKehFnR.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Which DE will initially be fully supported in Devuan?
Am Montag, 23. März 2015 schrieb Anto: Hello Everybody, I hope I am not too early to ask this. I have been switching desktops that are available in Debian so many times. But I always go back to XFCE. I have been on XFCE (again) for almost a year now. From the recent discussions, it seems KDE, Gnome (and its forks), and (perhaps) Unity are out of the options. I think there are a lot of good options like XFCE, LXDE, Enlightenment, etc. But which one is going to be *initially* fully supported in Devuan? Kind regards, Anto ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng I personally favour TDE over XFCE, just because it is more/better configurable ... and comes with kmail which uses maildir :-) Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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I guess I missed reading http://lists.devuan.org/dwn/54F5606A.20909.dyne.org.html. XFCE it is then. On 23/03/15 21:44, Anto wrote: Hello Everybody, I hope I am not too early to ask this. I have been switching desktops that are available in Debian so many times. But I always go back to XFCE. I have been on XFCE (again) for almost a year now. From the recent discussions, it seems KDE, Gnome (and its forks), and (perhaps) Unity are out of the options. I think there are a lot of good options like XFCE, LXDE, Enlightenment, etc. But which one is going to be *initially* fully supported in Devuan? Kind regards, Anto ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
