Re: [DNG] Why all this systemd stuff ?

2017-09-20 Thread Martin Steigerwald 
Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI - 20.09.17, 07:01:
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 11:15:11 +0100
> 
> KatolaZ  wrote:
> > > >  Have you tried to install any of them?
> > > 
> > > No, I did not; I do not either try to poke rattlesnakes with a stick
> > 
> > You shouldn't be scared of a toothless rattlesnake
> 
> How do you know a priori that the snake is toothless ?

You poke it with a very long stick… :)

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Re: [DNG] Why all this systemd stuff ?

2017-09-20 Thread KatolaZ 
On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 07:01:20AM -0400, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 11:15:11 +0100
> KatolaZ  wrote:
> 
> > > >  Have you tried to install any of them?  
> 
> > > No, I did not; I do not either try to poke rattlesnakes with a stick
> 
> > You shouldn't be scared of a toothless rattlesnake
> 
> How do you know a priori that the snake is toothless ?
>  

Because you don't have the systemd package in the repo, provided that
you are using devuan repos exclusively. So none of those packages
cannot bring systemd in (again, unless you are mixing repos, in which
case you are on your own).

Some of them might bring libsystemd1 in, but I am tired of repeating
again and again that that is totally harmless.

HTH

KatolaZ

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Re: [DNG] Why all this systemd stuff ?

2017-09-20 Thread Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI 
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 11:15:11 +0100
KatolaZ  wrote:

> > >  Have you tried to install any of them?  

> > No, I did not; I do not either try to poke rattlesnakes with a stick

> You shouldn't be scared of a toothless rattlesnake

How do you know a priori that the snake is toothless ?
 
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Re: [DNG] Why all this systemd stuff ?

2017-09-20 Thread KatolaZ 
On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 06:03:21AM -0400, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 10:29:08 +0100
> KatolaZ  wrote:
> 
> >  Have you tried to install any of them?
> 
> No, I did not; I do not either try to poke rattlesnakes with a stick
>  

You shouldn't be scared of a toothless rattlesnake... ;)

HND

KatolaZ

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Re: [DNG] Why all this systemd stuff ?

2017-09-20 Thread Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI 
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 10:29:08 +0100
KatolaZ  wrote:

>  Have you tried to install any of them?

No, I did not; I do not either try to poke rattlesnakes with a stick
 
Cheers,
 
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Re: [DNG] Why all this systemd stuff ?

2017-09-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen 
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 10:29:08 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message 
<20170920092908.gr23...@katolaz.homeunix.net>:

> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 05:20:05AM -0400, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
> > After upgrading to Devuan Jessie, curiosity made me chack in
> > Synaptic that my system did not have any infection of the systemd
> > pox.apt search systemd
> > 
> > I was surprised to see all those systemd packages appear in the
> > list of instalable packages.
> > 
> > Why are there so many ?
> 
> Just because they are in the repo. 

..they are in Debians repo.  

..but should they be in our repo?  
As in, shouldn't aprolla weed out systemd stuff?

> Have you tried to install any of
> them? You shouldn't be able to do that, I suppose.
> 
> HND
> 
> KatolaZ
> 


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Re: [DNG] Why all this systemd stuff ?

2017-09-20 Thread KatolaZ 
On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 05:20:05AM -0400, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
> After upgrading to Devuan Jessie, curiosity made me chack in Synaptic that my 
> system did not have any infection of the systemd pox.apt search systemd
> 
> I was surprised to see all those systemd packages appear in the list of 
> instalable packages.
> 
> Why are there so many ?

Just because they are in the repo. Have you tried to install any of
them? You shouldn't be able to do that, I suppose.

HND

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[DNG] Why all this systemd stuff ?

2017-09-20 Thread Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI 
After upgrading to Devuan Jessie, curiosity made me chack in Synaptic that my 
system did not have any infection of the systemd pox.apt search systemd

I was surprised to see all those systemd packages appear in the list of 
instalable packages.

Why are there so many ?

My source list:
deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie main
deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-updates main
deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-security main


dh-systemd/stable 1.24+devuan1.0 all
golang-go-systemd-dev/stable 2-1 all
libghc-libsystemd-journal-dev/stable 1.1.0-2 amd64
libghc-libsystemd-journal-doc/stable 1.1.0-2 all
libghc-libsystemd-journal-prof/stable 1.1.0-2 amd64
libpam-systemd/stable 215-17+deb8u7 amd64
libsystemd-daemon-dev/stable 215-17+deb8u7 amd64
libsystemd-daemon0/stable 215-17+deb8u7 amd64 [residual-config]
libsystemd-dev/stable 215-17+deb8u7 amd64
libsystemd-id128-0/stable 215-17+deb8u7 amd64
libsystemd-id128-dev/stable 215-17+deb8u7 amd64
libsystemd-journal-dev/stable 215-17+deb8u7 amd64
libsystemd-journal0/stable 215-17+deb8u7 amd64
libsystemd-login-dev/stable 215-17+deb8u7 amd64
libsystemd-login0/stable 215-17+deb8u7 amd64 [residual-config]
libsystemd0/stable 215-17+deb8u7 amd64
live-config-systemd/stable 4.0.4-1 all
python3-systemd/stable 215-17+deb8u7 amd64
systemd-cron/stable 1.3.1+ds1-2 all
systemd-dbg/stable 215-17+deb8u7 amd64
systemd-gui/stable 1:3-2 all
systemd-shim/stable 9-1 amd64
systemd-ui/stable 3-2 amd64
 
Cheers,
 
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