Re: [DNG] Yes I am an attorney. - Re: Identity of OP (Software written by contractors and the 'work for hire') concept - To Bruce Perens

[KatolaZ]

On Tue, Aug 01, 2017 at 07:44:13PM +0100, Rowland Penny wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Aug 2017 18:15:37 +
> su...@firemail.cc wrote:
> 
> > Explain exactly how I was "wasting" your time. You responded with 
> > derision and mockery when I brought up laches; as if it was no issue. 
> ..
> .
> 
> ARRRGGG is this guy for real, can he not take a hint ?
> 


just ignore. Moderation is on its way.

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Re: [DNG] Yes I am an attorney. - Re: Identity of OP (Software written by contractors and the 'work for hire') concept - To Bruce Perens

[Ron]

On Tue, 1 Aug 2017 19:44:13 +0100
Rowland Penny  wrote:

> > Explain exactly how I was "wasting" your time. You responded with 
> > derision and mockery when I brought up laches; as if it was no issue.   

> ARRRGGG is this guy for real, can he not take a hint ?

The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.
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Cheers,
 
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Re: [DNG] Yes I am an attorney. - Re: Identity of OP (Software written by contractors and the 'work for hire') concept - To Bruce Perens

[Adam Borowski]

Mikee, could you please go help Lennart and co?  Judging by the amount of
bugs in their code, they sure could use your help.


(Just kidding, even Lennart doesn't deserve this.)

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Re: [DNG] Yes I am an attorney. - Re: Identity of OP (Software written by contractors and the 'work for hire') concept - To Bruce Perens

[Antony Stone]

On Tuesday 01 August 2017 at 21:10:10, su...@firemail.cc wrote:

> Prescient analysis! (of the legal ramifications of doing nothing in this
> case!)
> Well done sir!
> 
> How about someone who is studied in the law to a degree greater than a
> draft animal responding instead?
> 
> (Basically you said: I don't understand! Why should I care! And then you
> went back to your labor for whomever your master is)

No, he said "Go away".

If we're making a big mistake by ignoring your advice, bad for us.

Our decision.

Now, thank you for your opinion, please stop repeating it.


Antony.

On 2017-08-01 18:44, Rowland Penny wrote:

> Go away, you are not welcome here, you just talk a lot of twaddle that
> has nothing really to do with Devuan, you are just taking up bandwidth,
> I repeat (using an old english saying) SLING YOUR HOOK!

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Re: [DNG] Yes I am an attorney. - Re: Identity of OP (Software written by contractors and the 'work for hire') concept - To Bruce Perens

[susin]

Prescient analysis! (of the legal ramifications of doing nothing in this 
case!)

Well done sir!

How about someone who is studied in the law to a degree greater than a 
draft animal responding instead?


(Basically you said: I don't understand! Why should I care! And then you 
went back to your labor for whomever your master is)


On 2017-08-01 18:44, Rowland Penny wrote:

On Tue, 01 Aug 2017 18:15:37 +
su...@firemail.cc wrote:


Explain exactly how I was "wasting" your time. You responded with
derision and mockery when I brought up laches; as if it was no issue.

..
.

ARRRGGG is this guy for real, can he not take a hint ?

IF not, here it is a lot more bluntly:

Go away, you are not welcome here, you just talk a lot of twaddle that
has nothing really to do with Devuan, you are just taking up bandwidth,
I repeat (using an old english saying) SLING YOUR HOOK!

Rowland
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Re: [DNG] Yes I am an attorney. - Re: Identity of OP (Software written by contractors and the 'work for hire') concept - To Bruce Perens

[Rowland Penny]

On Tue, 01 Aug 2017 18:15:37 +
su...@firemail.cc wrote:

> Explain exactly how I was "wasting" your time. You responded with 
> derision and mockery when I brought up laches; as if it was no issue. 
..
.

ARRRGGG is this guy for real, can he not take a hint ?

IF not, here it is a lot more bluntly:

Go away, you are not welcome here, you just talk a lot of twaddle that
has nothing really to do with Devuan, you are just taking up bandwidth,
I repeat (using an old english saying) SLING YOUR HOOK!

Rowland
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Re: [DNG] Yes I am an attorney. - Re: Identity of OP (Software written by contractors and the 'work for hire') concept - To Bruce Perens

[susin]

Explain exactly how I was "wasting" your time. You responded with 
derision and mockery when I brought up laches; as if it was no issue. 
Then you made a claim that a court would accept a _plaintiff's_ claim 
that they just had to sit on their rights because they "had no money to 
hire a lawyer" when the court would simply inform said plaintiff that 
they can bring the action pro-se. There is not a right council in civil 
cases even for indigent defendants, and you mock me for bringing up 
laches when attempting to obtain injunctive relief when we are talking 
about a plaintiff in a civil case?


Courts don't even accept a civil defendants claim that they cannot pay 
an ordered judgement (where the court believes they money exist 
"somewhere" and the defendant is holding out) owing to the fact that the 
court had them jailed for contempt of court for six months prior and 
thus defendant had no means of raising said funds. Back in the slammer 
for another six months, over and over again. No, Bruce. A middle class 
programmer trying to defeat a laches affirmative defense, when he is of 
sound mind and body, solely with a claim of inability... will not work.


I brainstorm some of the affirmative defenses the opposition WILL use, 
and you mock me and put my reputation as it pertains to legal knowledge 
in a negative false light. This is when you, Bruce, are not an attorney 
and are thus not likely involved in the lengthy run-up to your court 
appearances (as an expert witness), where-as I am an attorney and must 
anticipate such road-blocks.



Here's another attorney on the LKML warning another poster about some... 
hmmm.. affirmative defenses ... such as laches and friends.

On 2017-07-30 07:14, David C. Rankin wrote:

On 07/30/2017 12:55 AM, David Lang wrote:
You are thinking of Trademarks, they must be defended or you loose 
them.
Contracts and Licenses do not need to be defended at every chance or 
risk

loosing them.


No, not always, it can apply in plain contract as well. The defenses 
that
could be later raised by grsecurity if this issue goes unaddressed is 
are (1)
latches; and (2) waiver. It is a slippery slope. While, without 
commenting on

the dubious nature of the current use of the defenses (as catch-all,
kitchen-sink affirmative-defenses), they can be expected to be raised 
if
rights under GPL to insure no further restrictions are placed on 
subsequent

use of the kernel-code are not enforced.

I hope there is a centralized forum that will be established for this 
issue
(there may be and I'm just not smart enough to have found it yet). 
Certainly,
if for nothing else, so the advantages and disadvantages of both 
action, and

inaction, can be peer-reviewed on both the legal and technical side.

https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/7/31/449


For the record here's what Bruce Perens had to say about me:



OK, I apologize to all who were involved in this conversation. I will
block further emails from "aconcernedfossdev" and no longer encourage
him.

Bruce

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/07/msg00830.html


(later a third party asked him why):

The statement about Grsecurity still stands. Aconcernedfossdev was
wasting my time with naive argument and I don't have to suffer fools
gladly.

Thanks

Bruce




On 2017-08-01 15:04, Bruce Perens wrote:

The person posting as "nisus" is "MikeyUSA", who is mostly known for
way-over-the-top misogyny and trolling and is banned from Debian
lists, etc. Obviously I have the right to choose who I will correspond
with, and chose to block him for wasting my time before I was informed
who he actually was.
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