Re: [DNG] Yunit

2017-09-20 Thread Antony Stone 
On Wednesday 20 September 2017 at 23:41:15, Nate Bargmann wrote:

> * On 2017 20 Sep 06:36 -0500, J. Fahrner wrote:
> > Am 2017-09-20 13:08, schrieb Nate Bargmann:
> > >I am still puzzled how a desktop GUI can depend on init system.
> > >Services, yes, an init, not so much.
> > 
> > Because systemd is not only an init system, it provides a lot of services
> > too.
> 
> I'll admit to not following its development the past couple of years or
> longer.  What services does it offer that aren't available through
> stand-alone daemons besides logind and journalctl?

https://www.linux.com/learn/understanding-and-using-systemd

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd

https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/


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Re: [DNG] Yunit

2017-09-20 Thread Nate Bargmann 
* On 2017 20 Sep 06:36 -0500, J. Fahrner wrote:
> Am 2017-09-20 13:08, schrieb Nate Bargmann:
> 
> >I am still puzzled how a desktop GUI can depend on init system.
> >Services, yes, an init, not so much.
> 
> Because systemd is not only an init system, it provides a lot of services
> too.

I'll admit to not following its development the past couple of years or
longer.  What services does it offer that aren't available through
stand-alone daemons besides logind and journalctl?

- Nate

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Re: [DNG] Yunit

2017-09-20 Thread Tom Cassidy 


> On 20 Sep 2017, at 21:08, Nate Bargmann  wrote:
> 
> * On 2017 20 Sep 04:01 -0500, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> 
>> ..these https://forum.yunit.io/search.php?keywords=systemd 
>> and https://yunit.io/?s=systemd would if anything, suggest 
>> "systemd is not a worry here.", which might mean they might
>> be or become agnostic on init systems.
> 
> I read the forum post link as though the developer will have it
> completely supporting (depending on?) systemd.

Perhaps if we let the developers know there are users wanting it in Devuan sans 
systemd, they might reconsider that approach?

I will setup an ASCII test box sometime this week or next to try it out, as the 
Debian packages appear to be only for stable onwards.

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Re: [DNG] Yunit

2017-09-20 Thread Didier Kryn 

Le 20/09/2017 à 13:08, Nate Bargmann a écrit :

I am still puzzled how a desktop GUI can depend on init system.
Services, yes, an init, not so much.


Excellent argument to oppose to those peole still claiming Systemd 
is an init system.


Didier


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Re: [DNG] Yunit

2017-09-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen 
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 06:08:46 -0500, Nate wrote in message 
<20170920110846.ge3...@n0nb.us>:

> * On 2017 20 Sep 04:01 -0500, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> 
> > ..these https://forum.yunit.io/search.php?keywords=systemd 
> > and https://yunit.io/?s=systemd would if anything, suggest 
> > "systemd is not a worry here.", which might mean they might
> > be or become agnostic on init systems.
> 
> I read the forum post link as though the developer will have it
> completely supporting 

..it would need that to be agnostic.

> (depending on?) systemd.

..on reflection, I think you're right, right there.

> The second link returns nothing found for me.
> 
> I am still puzzled how a desktop GUI can depend on init system.
> Services, yes, an init, not so much.

..systemd is an init system in about the same way the KKK 
are "nice people on both sides." ;o)

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Re: [DNG] Yunit

2017-09-20 Thread J. Fahrner 

Am 2017-09-20 13:08, schrieb Nate Bargmann:


I am still puzzled how a desktop GUI can depend on init system.
Services, yes, an init, not so much.


Because systemd is not only an init system, it provides a lot of 
services too.


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Re: [DNG] Yunit

2017-09-20 Thread Nate Bargmann 
* On 2017 20 Sep 04:01 -0500, Arnt Karlsen wrote:

> ..these https://forum.yunit.io/search.php?keywords=systemd 
> and https://yunit.io/?s=systemd would if anything, suggest 
> "systemd is not a worry here.", which might mean they might
> be or become agnostic on init systems.

I read the forum post link as though the developer will have it
completely supporting (depending on?) systemd.

The second link returns nothing found for me.

I am still puzzled how a desktop GUI can depend on init system.
Services, yes, an init, not so much.

- Nate

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possible worlds.  The pessimist fears this is true."

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Re: [DNG] Yunit

2017-09-20 Thread Tom Cassidy 

> ..these https://forum.yunit.io/search.php?keywords=systemd 
> and https://yunit.io/?s=systemd would if anything, suggest 
> "systemd is not a worry here.", which might mean they might
> be or become agnostic on init systems.

That doesn’t surprise me, considering Ubuntu was using Unity for a long time 
before systemd appeared on the scene.

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Re: [DNG] Yunit

2017-09-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen 
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 17:44:35 +1000, Tom wrote in message 
<97dde69e-3904-4abe-9acf-7fa2f104b...@gmail.com>:

> Has anyone tried out Yunit on Devuan? It’s a community fork of the
> Unity 8 code that was abandoned after Ubuntu switched to Gnome for
> their next release.
> 
> https://yunit.io/
> 
> https://yunit.io/yunit-packages-for-debian-stable-testing-and-unstable/
> 
> —Tom


..these https://forum.yunit.io/search.php?keywords=systemd 
and https://yunit.io/?s=systemd would if anything, suggest 
"systemd is not a worry here.", which might mean they might
be or become agnostic on init systems.


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[DNG] Yunit

2017-09-20 Thread Tom Cassidy 
Has anyone tried out Yunit on Devuan? It’s a community fork of the Unity 8 code 
that was abandoned after Ubuntu switched to Gnome for their next release.

https://yunit.io/

https://yunit.io/yunit-packages-for-debian-stable-testing-and-unstable/

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