Re: [DNG] desktop-live chimaera isos
On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 11:58:10AM +0200, Andreas Messer wrote: > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 03:56:24PM -0300, Gastón via Dng wrote: > > > 2. Desktop PC, CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3000+, GPU: NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 440, > > > RAM: 3GB. > > >· > > > In this PC the problem did not disappear deactivating AppArmor. > > >· > > > Possibilities: > > You could test what happens when running glxgears (in mesa-utils > package) in unsynchronized mode for a while. (It will put some load > on the GPU): > > $ vblank_mode=0 glxgears > After a few minutes of starting the same effect is produced as in XFCE 4.16 with the Compositor activated, the screen freezes, the mouse cursor moves but the buttons do not respond. I am now using XFCE 4.10, the version that came with Jessie, with Compositor enabled and I am not experiencing screen freezes. -- gast0n ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] desktop-live chimaera isos
On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 03:56:24PM -0300, Gastón via Dng wrote: > > 2. Desktop PC, CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3000+, GPU: NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 440, > > RAM: 3GB. > >· > > In this PC the problem did not disappear deactivating AppArmor. > >· > > Possibilities: My personal experience with Geforce MX series is, that these cards run very unstable, regardless if used with Windows or Linux. Especially the ones without FAN suffer from thermal issues. Since compositing uses GL acceleration, the chance is high the card just crashes as soon some GL operations are performed and cards warms. In addition, such old hardware may already have cracks in solder junctions or instable onboard power supply due dried capacitors. You could test what happens when running glxgears (in mesa-utils package) in unsynchronized mode for a while. (It will put some load on the GPU): $ vblank_mode=0 glxgears cheers, Andreas -- gnuPG keyid: 8C2BAF51 fingerprint: 28EE 8438 E688 D992 3661 C753 90B3 BAAA 8C2B AF51 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] desktop-live chimaera isos
<--snip--> > > Hardware: > > 1. Netbook, CPU: Intel Atom N2600, GPU: Integrated controller, RAM: 2GB. > In this netbook the problem leave to appear afterwards to edit the GRUB > > to turn off the load of AppArmor, with apparmor=0. > 2. Desktop PC, CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3000+, GPU: NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 440, > RAM: 3GB. > In this PC the problem did not disappear deactivating AppArmor. > > Possibilities: > - Too old hardware? > - AppArmor? > - XFCE, now 100% with GTK3? The nouveau driver is notably buggy on 'old' hardware, twenty year old graphics hardware is positively antique. Nvidia hardware past five years old should be considered 'Legacy' and only legacy OS's should be expected to function, certainly not modern compositors. publickey - g4sra@protonmail.com - 0x42E94623.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] desktop-live chimaera isos
On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 06:17:36PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > Bzt: Friends don't let friends buy Nvidia cards for Linux. Nvidia > cards cause screen artifacts, hangs, and spontaneous reboots. Yes, Nvidia sucks! But I have to deal with that for now. On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 03:07:15PM -0300, Gastón wrote: > On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 04:36:09PM -0300, Gastón wrote: > > Hi, I downloaded: > > devuan_chimaera_4.0.alpha_2021-07-16_amd64_desktop-live.iso,· > > and tested it on real hardware.· > >· > > The desktop looks the same as the screenshot except for the > > wallpaper, > > the wallpaper with the Devuan logo does not appear, it has a generic > > XFCE wallpaper. >· > I experience screen freezes after a few minutes of starting XFCE. > This Alpha version of Devuan Chimaera loads normally, but after > opening > an application or interacting with the OS, the screen simply freezes, > the mouse pointer moves but none of the click buttons respond, I just > have to do REISUB to restart the OS using the keyboard. >· > ISO used: devuan_chimaera_4.0.alpha_2021-07-16_amd64_desktop-live.iso > Device used: USB stick >· > Hardware: > 1. Netbook, CPU: Intel Atom N2600, GPU: Integrated controller, RAM: > 2GB. >· > In this netbook the problem leave to appear afterwards to edit the > GRUB > to turn off the load of AppArmor, with apparmor=0. >· > 2. Desktop PC, CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3000+, GPU: NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 440, > RAM: 3GB. >· > In this PC the problem did not disappear deactivating AppArmor. >· > Possibilities: > - Too old hardware? > - AppArmor? > - XFCE, now 100% with GTK3? I kept testing and can conclude that AppArmor does not cause the freezes. In the case of the PC with an Nvidia graphics card the freezing problem in XFCE disappears if the Compositor is disabled in the "Window Manager Tweaks" Settings or using this line in a TTY: xfconf-query -c xfwm4 -p /general/use_compositing -s false I also tried other DEs, for example LXDE worked without problems for me, on the other hand LXQT freeze immediately after starting it, the same with Mate. I also tried Enlightenment and it seemed to work without problems, although I didn't use it for long. I did all of this in live-mode. So far it is not clear to me if the freezes in XFCE with the Compositor enabled, are due to the nouveou driver, or that my graphics card has an old version of OpenGL (v1.2) and 64MB or that the 3GB of RAM in the system are insufficient. -- gast0n ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] desktop-live chimaera isos
Gastón via Dng said on Mon, 19 Jul 2021 15:07:15 -0300 >Hardware: >1. Netbook, CPU: Intel Atom N2600, GPU: Integrated controller, RAM: >2GB. > >In this netbook the problem leave to appear afterwards to edit the GRUB >to turn off the load of AppArmor, with apparmor=0. > >2. Desktop PC, CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3000+, GPU: NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 440, >RAM: 3GB. Bzt: Friends don't let friends buy Nvidia cards for Linux. Nvidia cards cause screen artifacts, hangs, and spontaneous reboots. Radeon is the way to go: Most modern Radeon cards have good drivers baked into the Kernel. I had spontaneous reboots and hangs with my new computer after buying an Nvideo. Replaced it with a Radeon, all was good. The Nvidia might or might not be the root cause, but it's a good idea not to have an Nvidia card in your Linux box anyway. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] desktop-live chimaera isos
On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 04:36:09PM -0300, Gastón wrote: > Hi, I downloaded: > devuan_chimaera_4.0.alpha_2021-07-16_amd64_desktop-live.iso, > and tested it on real hardware. > > The desktop looks the same as the screenshot except for the wallpaper, > the wallpaper with the Devuan logo does not appear, it has a generic > XFCE wallpaper. I experience screen freezes after a few minutes of starting XFCE. This Alpha version of Devuan Chimaera loads normally, but after opening an application or interacting with the OS, the screen simply freezes, the mouse pointer moves but none of the click buttons respond, I just have to do REISUB to restart the OS using the keyboard. ISO used: devuan_chimaera_4.0.alpha_2021-07-16_amd64_desktop-live.iso Device used: USB stick Hardware: 1. Netbook, CPU: Intel Atom N2600, GPU: Integrated controller, RAM: 2GB. In this netbook the problem leave to appear afterwards to edit the GRUB to turn off the load of AppArmor, with apparmor=0. 2. Desktop PC, CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3000+, GPU: NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 440, RAM: 3GB. In this PC the problem did not disappear deactivating AppArmor. Possibilities: - Too old hardware? - AppArmor? - XFCE, now 100% with GTK3? -- gast0n ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] desktop-live chimaera isos
On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 03:55:26PM -0400, fsmithred via Dng wrote: > Let me know if the desktop does not look like this. > https://transfer.sh/1C8R6Pg/Screeshot_desktop-live-chimaera.png > We're getting different results with the i386 isos on different machines > booting in qemu. One is amd64 hardware, other is i386. > Hi, I downloaded: devuan_chimaera_4.0.alpha_2021-07-16_amd64_desktop-live.iso, and tested it on real hardware. The desktop looks the same as the screenshot except for the wallpaper, the wallpaper with the Devuan logo does not appear, it has a generic XFCE wallpaper. -- gast0n ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] desktop-live chimaera isos
On 7/16/21 3:55 PM, fsmithred wrote: > Chimaera desktop-live isos are ready for testing. They can be downloaded > from files.devuan.org or from your favorite iso mirror. > https://www.devuan.org/get-devuan > > Let me know if the desktop does not look like this. > https://transfer.sh/1C8R6Pg/Screeshot_desktop-live-chimaera.png > We're getting different results with the i386 isos on different machines > booting in qemu. One is amd64 hardware, other is i386. Correction: One is amd64 OS and the other is i386 OS. Hardware is 64-bit capable in both cases. fsr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] desktop-live chimaera isos
Chimaera desktop-live isos are ready for testing. They can be downloaded from files.devuan.org or from your favorite iso mirror. https://www.devuan.org/get-devuan Let me know if the desktop does not look like this. https://transfer.sh/1C8R6Pg/Screeshot_desktop-live-chimaera.png We're getting different results with the i386 isos on different machines booting in qemu. One is amd64 hardware, other is i386. Thanks, fsmithred ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
