Re: [Dng] Newbie questions re installing a devuan image
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 09:34:53 +0200 Peter Maloney peter.malo...@yahoo.ca wrote: On 04/28/2015 12:07 AM, Dragan FOSS wrote: On 04/27/15 11:37 PM, Steve Litt wrote: OpenRC edition was astounding. looks great :) (I am currently using Manjaro-openrc) Do you have any instructions on setting it up in English? I tried looking and only found serbian. http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/init/manjaro_experiments.htm#12232014_pure_runit_init_proof_of_concept http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/init/manjaro_experiments.htm#pure_epoch_init_system http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/init/manjaro_experiments.htm#getting_epoch_running Peter, I'm not necessarily saying that either runit or Epoch on Manjaro performs better than sysvinit + OpenRC. sysvinit+OpenRC does a good job, and if you want to have some later processes run respawn, you can always have OpenRC launch daemontools or daemontools-encore to manage processes you want respawned. My motivation in learning to install the runit and Epoch init systems, with no help from the distro or the packaging system, is that sometimes good distros go bad, and I never again want to go through what I went through 7/2015-11/2015. Or, to put it another way: http://troubleshooters.com/linux/diy/images/hidty.png And beyond those two things, sometimes, for troubleshooting purposes, it's nice to test two different inits and exploit the differences. Also, if one init goes bad, you can always boot the machine with the other one. SteveT Steve Litt April 2015 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Newbie questions re installing a devuan image
On 04/28/2015 12:07 AM, Dragan FOSS wrote: On 04/27/15 11:37 PM, Steve Litt wrote: OpenRC edition was astounding. looks great :) (I am currently using Manjaro-openrc) Do you have any instructions on setting it up in English? I tried looking and only found serbian. [root@trios][/home/dragan/Desktop]# zpool status no pools available Cheers :) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Newbie questions re installing a devuan image
On 27/04/15 21:18, Ingo Schmitt wrote: devuan is for ppl which are not ready for new technology. Here we go again. Any taker? :D ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Newbie questions re installing a devuan image
On 04/27/15 10:04 PM, Ingo Schmitt wrote: deprecated init system? A simple and stupid tautology...if you do not use something, that does not automatically mean that nobody uses :) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Newbie questions re installing a devuan image
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 22:18:27 +0200 Franco Lanza next...@nexlab.it wrote: On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 10:04:27PM +0200, Ingo Schmitt wrote: new to linux, why should he start with an deprecated init system? Cause, for example, it isn't deprecated? Cause, for example, it's better to use old stable software that is far to be deprecated instead of a new non-well-tested one? Cause, for example, it's better to use old stable and kiss/unix software instead of use a piece of software that limit your freedom? Cause, for example, if you really want to use new software instead of sysvinit systend ISN'T the alternative for the future? What Franco said, and one more thing: Cause, for example, there are several wonderful modern init systems out there if you don't like sysvinit, and those init systems are much easier to install on a system that doesn't have systemd tenticles running through every component. You heard that from a guy who installed Epoch on both Manjaro and Manjaro OpenRC edition. The decreased difficulty installing it to the OpenRC edition was astounding. SteveT Steve Litt April 2015 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Newbie questions re installing a devuan image
Am 27.4.2015 21:40, schrieb Hendrik Boom: On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 09:33:20PM +0200, Ingo Schmitt wrote: Am 27.4.2015 21:26, schrieb Joerg Reisenweber: On Mon 27 April 2015 21:18:11 Ingo Schmitt wrote: Why are you interested on devuan? jessie provides sysvinit as alternative to systemd. devuan is for ppl which are not ready for new technology. you as newbe should be more open minded ;) What are you talking about? is that not obviously? If that was meant to be funny, you failed. nope. In case you didn't understand the humour, this mailing list is for people who are forking Debian because they have found the Debian policy of being gung-ho on systemd to be incompatible with the the way they run their systems. Not everyone is in this category, but enough are to make the project viable. So your comments come across as either irrelevant, autocratic or sarcastic/funny. I'll opt for funny. I understand the project and respect the ppl around. I joined the ml to see whats going on. Then the newbe asked, no one answered, i did it and explained a little. If someone is new to linux, why should he start with an deprecated init system? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Newbie questions re installing a devuan image
On 04/27/15 11:37 PM, Steve Litt wrote: OpenRC edition was astounding. [root@trios][/home/dragan/Desktop]# inxi -r Repos: Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie-backports main contrib non-free deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie-backports main contrib non-free Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/trios.list deb http://mirror.org.rs/trios/ mia main non-systemd-testing zfs xfce4-12 backports deb-src http://mirror.org.rs/trios/ mia main non-systemd-testing zfs xfce4-12 backports [root@trios][/home/dragan/Desktop]# inxi -Fxxx System:Host: trios Kernel: 4.0.0-trios x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 4.9.2) Desktop: N/A info: xfce4-panel dm: lightdm Distro: Trios testing mia Machine: System: innotek product: VirtualBox v: 1.2 serial: 0 Chassis: Oracle type: 1 Mobo: Oracle model: VirtualBox v: 1.2 serial: 0 Bios: innotek v: VirtualBox date: 12/01/2006 CPU: Dual core AMD Phenom II X4 960T (-MCP-) cache: 1024 KB flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3) bmips: 12037 Clock Speeds: 1: 3009 MHz 2: 3009 MHz Graphics: Card: InnoTek Systemberatung VirtualBox Graphics Adapter bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 80ee:beef Display Server: X.org 1.16.4 drivers: ati,vboxvideo (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) tty size: 107x42 Advanced Data: N/A for root Audio: Card Intel 82801AA AC'97 Audio Controller driver: snd_intel8x0 ports: d100 d200 bus-ID: 00:05.0 chip-ID: 8086:2415 Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.0.0-trios Network: Card: Intel 82540EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: e1000 v: 7.3.21-k8-NAPI port: d010 bus-ID: 00:03.0 chip-ID: 8086:100e IF: eth0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: 08:00:27:21:4b:84 Drives:HDD Total Size: 68.7GB (11.9% used) ID-1: /dev/sda model: VBOX_HARDDISK size: 68.7GB serial: VB0eeb635c-e2a78c3e temp: 0C Partition: ID-1: / size: 61G used: 5.9G (11%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2 ID-2: swap-1 size: 2.05GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda1 Sensors: None detected - is lm-sensors installed and configured? Info: Processes: 188 Uptime: 2 min Memory: 306.8/3957.4MB Init: SysVinit v: 2.88 rc: OpenRC v: 0.13.1runlevel: 2 default: 2 Gcc sys: 4.9.2 alt: 4.8 Client: Shell (bash 4.3.301 running in xfce4-terminal) inxi: 2.1.28 [root@trios][/home/dragan/Desktop]# dpkg -l *systemd* Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name Version ArchitectureDescription +++--===-===-== un libpam-systemd none none (no description available) un systemd none none (no description available) un systemd-services none none (no description available) un systemd-shim none none (no description available) un systemd-sysv none none (no description available) [root@trios][/home/dragan/Desktop]# rc-status Runlevel: default virtualbox-guest-utils [ started ] rsyslog[ started ] smartmontools [ started ] minissdpd [ started ] motd [ started ] cron [ started ] binfmt-support [ started ] zfs-mount [ started ] zed[ started ] dbus [ started ] avahi-daemon [ started ] bluetooth [ started ] speech-dispatcher [ started ] wicd [ started ] anacron[ started ] atd
[Dng] Newbie questions re installing a devuan image
I'm running debian wheezy on a 32-bit machine. Given the appearance of Jessie last Saturday, it seemed time to try out devuan. Because I don't know what to do with the qcow2 files of the current builds, I went back to the Valentine ISO. I installed qemu-kvn and placed the qemu virtual disk into /usb/local/share/Devuan/. Installation of the image is where things go sour. I cd to this Devuan directory and do: $ qemu-system-x86 -enable-kvm -hda devuan_disk -boot c -net nic -net \ user,hostfwd=tcp::5556-:22 -m 1024 -vnc 127.0.0.1:0 -localtime The command not known even though qemu-img is installed. I tried qemu-system-x86_64, but still not known. I tried as root but still no luck. The man qemu-img says nothing about this command and it does not seem to be on my system. Haines Brown ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Newbie questions re installing a devuan image
On Mon, 2015-04-27 at 13:49 -0400, Haines Brown wrote: I'm running debian wheezy on a 32-bit machine. Given the appearance of Jessie last Saturday, it seemed time to try out devuan. Because I don't know what to do with the qcow2 files of the current builds, I went back to the Valentine ISO. I installed qemu-kvn and placed the qemu virtual disk into /usb/local/share/Devuan/. Installation of the image is where things go sour. I cd to this Devuan directory and do: $ qemu-system-x86 -enable-kvm -hda devuan_disk -boot c -net nic -net \ user,hostfwd=tcp::5556-:22 -m 1024 -vnc 127.0.0.1:0 -localtime The command not known even though qemu-img is installed. I tried qemu-system-x86_64, but still not known. I tried as root but still no luck. The man qemu-img says nothing about this command and it does not seem to be on my system. What about? Install: qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm -cdrom path_to_your_valentine.iso -hda devuan_disk -boot d -net nic -net user -m 512 -localtime Run: qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm -hda devuan_disk -boot c -net nic -net user,hostfwd=tcp::5556-:22 -m 1024 -localtime ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Newbie questions re installing a devuan image
Am 27.4.2015 19:49, schrieb Haines Brown: $ qemu-system-x86 -enable-kvm -hda devuan_disk -boot c -net nic -net \ user,hostfwd=tcp::5556-:22 -m 1024 -vnc 127.0.0.1:0 -localtime The command not known even though qemu-img is installed. I tried qemu-system-x86_64, but still not known. I tried as root but still no luck. The man qemu-img says nothing about this command and it does not seem to be on my system. Heines, qemu-image is not the kvm hypervisor; the qemu-kvm package provides what you need. Why are you interested on devuan? jessie provides sysvinit as alternative to systemd. devuan is for ppl which are not ready for new technology. you as newbe should be more open minded ;) grz ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Newbie questions re installing a devuan image
On Mon 27 April 2015 21:18:11 Ingo Schmitt wrote: Why are you interested on devuan? jessie provides sysvinit as alternative to systemd. devuan is for ppl which are not ready for new technology. you as newbe should be more open minded ;) What are you talking about? If that was meant to be funny, you failed. /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Newbie questions re installing a devuan image
Am 27.4.2015 21:26, schrieb Joerg Reisenweber: On Mon 27 April 2015 21:18:11 Ingo Schmitt wrote: Why are you interested on devuan? jessie provides sysvinit as alternative to systemd. devuan is for ppl which are not ready for new technology. you as newbe should be more open minded ;) What are you talking about? is that not obviously? If that was meant to be funny, you failed. nope. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
