Re: [Dng] systemd free badge
Joel Roth [2015-02-21 10:46]: > Brainstorming here, I'm thinking about "Coke Classic". So, > what are the classical (or traditional) things we are > preserving by excising systemd? > > Classical Unix Architecture > Classical Unix Administration > Classical Unix Services > Classical Unix Security > > Classical/traditional AASS means "you don't need to hire > special consultants, just competent Unix > developers/administrators." > > Cheers, A bit unrelated, we have a good beer here in Norway called Aass Classic. Aass from Drammen is our oldest remaining brewery (1834). -- Hilsen Harald ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] systemd free badge
On 02/21/15 13:35, Go Linux wrote: > > Modularity-preserved Linux > Linux your way > Lockin-freed Linux > *** Hmmm... It's about *init*, not the kernel :o) == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom (_X_)yne Foundation, Free Culture Foundry * https://www.dyne.org/donate/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] systemd free badge
On Sat, 2/21/15, Steve Litt wrote: Subject: Re: [Dng] systemd free badge To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Saturday, February 21, 2015, 8:29 AM On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 10:08:04 +0100 Jaromil wrote: >> hello i just thought of sharing a simple idea see if anyone likes to >> get started at it: how about designing a badge that all distros that >> are systemd free can show? >> >> this is not strictly Devuan related, but will benefit people willing >> to understand such an important architectural aspect of a distro >> without wasting too much time with its docs >> >> I also think such a badge should be different from the >> without-systemd logo and more like a positive assertion. perhaps it >> should not really be about systemd, but init freedom more in general, >> as in distros allowing to have the choice to safely remove all >> systemd or even download a systemd-free flavour. > >I think this is a spectacular idea, and it should also be applied to >applications. After all, if Gnome, NetworkManager and a few other apps >were systemd-free, Devuan's job would have been much easier. Most of >the free software apps I've made aren't GUI, but I'll find a way to put >that badge on them anyway. >Great idea! >SteveT Yes, a very good idea. A bit like a non-GMO certification. Thinking on terms of Unix principles: Modularity-preserved Linux Linux your way Lockin-freed Linux Undoubtedly there are many other ways to communicate this idea. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] systemd free badge
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 23:46:04 -1000 Joel Roth wrote: > On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 10:08:04AM +0100, Jaromil wrote: > > > hello i just thought of sharing a simple idea see if > > anyone likes to get started at it: how about designing a > > badge that all distros that are systemd free can show? > > > > this is not strictly Devuan related, but will benefit > > people willing to understand such an important > > architectural aspect of a distro without wasting too much > > time with its docs > > > > I also think such a badge should be different from the > > without-systemd logo and more like a positive assertion. > > perhaps it should not really be about systemd, but init > > freedom more in general, as in distros allowing to have > > the choice to safely remove all systemd or even download a > > systemd-free flavour. > > Good idea! > > Brainstorming here, I'm thinking about "Coke Classic". So, > what are the classical (or traditional) things we are > preserving by excising systemd? > > Classical Unix Architecture > Classical Unix Administration > Classical Unix Services > Classical Unix Security > > Classical/traditional AASS means "you don't need to hire > special consultants, just competent Unix > developers/administrators." > > Cheers, IMHO "Classic" or "Classical" doesn't yield a value judgement. Of course, somebody who remembers the "New Coke" debacle would completely see the analogy, but to others, "classic" might equal "neckbeard". SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] systemd free badge
On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 10:08:04 +0100 Jaromil wrote: > hello i just thought of sharing a simple idea see if anyone likes to > get started at it: how about designing a badge that all distros that > are systemd free can show? > > this is not strictly Devuan related, but will benefit people willing > to understand such an important architectural aspect of a distro > without wasting too much time with its docs > > I also think such a badge should be different from the > without-systemd logo and more like a positive assertion. perhaps it > should not really be about systemd, but init freedom more in general, > as in distros allowing to have the choice to safely remove all > systemd or even download a systemd-free flavour. I think this is a spectacular idea, and it should also be applied to applications. After all, if Gnome, NetworkManager and a few other apps were systemd-free, Devuan's job would have been much easier. Most of the free software apps I've made aren't GUI, but I'll find a way to put that badge on them anyway. Great idea! SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] systemd free badge
On 02/21/15 06:08, Jaromil wrote: > > how about designing a badge that all distros that are systemd free can show? > *** I think some kind of cross-distros work is good. Code sharing will be facilitated with good inter-distros communication. On the one hand, I understand the urge to polarize against systemd: it can be used to denounce its bad aspects and strengthen the identity of the project. On the other hand, giving more attention to systemd than it deserves may cause a disservice to the community. Debian existed before systemd was even thought of, and so Devuan should rather build on this legacy rather than reducing itself to a reactionary stance. Both edges are sharp: the former focuses on the momentum, and the latter focuses more on the long term. I've read both "systemd is here to stay" and "systemd is a fad". Watching empty hands... == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom (_X_)yne Foundation, Free Culture Foundry * https://www.dyne.org/donate/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] systemd free badge
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 10:08:04AM +0100, Jaromil wrote: > hello i just thought of sharing a simple idea see if > anyone likes to get started at it: how about designing a > badge that all distros that are systemd free can show? > > this is not strictly Devuan related, but will benefit > people willing to understand such an important > architectural aspect of a distro without wasting too much > time with its docs > > I also think such a badge should be different from the > without-systemd logo and more like a positive assertion. > perhaps it should not really be about systemd, but init > freedom more in general, as in distros allowing to have > the choice to safely remove all systemd or even download a > systemd-free flavour. Good idea! Brainstorming here, I'm thinking about "Coke Classic". So, what are the classical (or traditional) things we are preserving by excising systemd? Classical Unix Architecture Classical Unix Administration Classical Unix Services Classical Unix Security Classical/traditional AASS means "you don't need to hire special consultants, just competent Unix developers/administrators." Cheers, > ciao > -- Joel Roth ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] systemd free badge
I like the idea, I tought of trying to gather people around some kind of "rootslinux" foundation, to share efforts, ideas and coding, the badge could be part of this roots linux idea . . . anyone interested ? On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 4:08 AM, Jaromil wrote: > hello i just thought of sharing a simple idea see if anyone likes to get > started at it: > how about designing a badge that all distros that are systemd free can show? > > this is not strictly Devuan related, but will benefit people willing to > understand such an > important architectural aspect of a distro without wasting too much time with > its docs > > I also think such a badge should be different from the without-systemd logo > and more > like a positive assertion. perhaps it should not really be about systemd, but > init freedom > more in general, as in distros allowing to have the choice to safely remove > all systemd > or even download a systemd-free flavour. > > ciao > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[Dng] systemd free badge
hello i just thought of sharing a simple idea see if anyone likes to get started at it: how about designing a badge that all distros that are systemd free can show? this is not strictly Devuan related, but will benefit people willing to understand such an important architectural aspect of a distro without wasting too much time with its docs I also think such a badge should be different from the without-systemd logo and more like a positive assertion. perhaps it should not really be about systemd, but init freedom more in general, as in distros allowing to have the choice to safely remove all systemd or even download a systemd-free flavour. ciao ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
