Re: [DNG] A concrete proposal [was: Re: Drive-by critique]
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 20:13:10 -0500, Steve wrote in message <20181215201310.70ecd...@mydesk.domain.cxm>: > On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 12:37:36 +0100 > KatolaZ wrote: > > > > it would be probably good to have a simple webpage for Devuan > > newcomers that asks a couple of questions about the user > > intentions/use-case and suggests the most appropriate install > > image to use among the available ones. > > Nice! Better yet, put it on the download page right above all the > install image links, so the user doesn't need to search things he > doesn't know exist. > > > > If anybody is wondering "how can I help Devuan" and is ready to do > > something concrete in that direction, putting together such a simple > > webpage would be a valuable contribution. Discussions are good and > > can be entertaining sometimes, but actions are the only way to > > improve things. > > Let me get things started right here, where we can all collaborate... > > If you want something that's simple, "just works", and keeps hassle to > an absolute minimum, choose the Xfce installer. The Xfce installer is > also great for the less technical among us. > > If you want a very lightweight computer, choose the LXDE (or is it > lxqt?) installer. ..we have a lxqt installer? 8o) ..if you want something that's simple, "just works", lightweight and keeps hassle to an absolute minimum, ditch Xfce and go the LXQt way. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A concrete proposal [was: Re: Drive-by critique]
On 2018-12-15 19:13, Steve Litt wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 12:37:36 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: it would be probably good to have a simple webpage for Devuan newcomers that asks a couple of questions about the user intentions/use-case and suggests the most appropriate install image to use among the available ones. Nice! Better yet, put it on the download page right above all the install image links, so the user doesn't need to search things he doesn't know exist. It is already in process and that's the first place I thought of. There will be links to it scattered in other places, of course. If anybody is wondering "how can I help Devuan" and is ready to do something concrete in that direction, putting together such a simple webpage would be a valuable contribution. Discussions are good and can be entertaining sometimes, but actions are the only way to improve things. Let me get things started right here, where we can all collaborate... If you want something that's simple, "just works", and keeps hassle to an absolute minimum, choose the Xfce installer. The Xfce installer is also great for the less technical among us. If you want a very lightweight computer, choose the LXDE (or is it lxqt?) installer. If you want to get *something* installed quickly, or if the graphical installs give you trouble, choose the network installer. Once that's installed, log in as root and type enhance_installation.sh to choose and install the software you need. The enhance_installation.sh program will explain all the major software additions, and in what cases you might need them. If you want to get geeky with it and do a chroot install, use the debootstrap installer. Thanks. It's not quite that simple but that's more or less where it's already going. No need to mention chroot etc. because those who know what that means do not need guidance. The page it going to target those coming from distros that are more "automatic" and shield users from technical interaction and those coming to Linux for the first time. There will be some step-by-step visuals with screenshots available at a click too. SteveT ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A concrete proposal [was: Re: Drive-by critique]
On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 12:37:36 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > it would be probably good to have a simple webpage for Devuan > newcomers that asks a couple of questions about the user > intentions/use-case and suggests the most appropriate install image > to use among the available ones. Nice! Better yet, put it on the download page right above all the install image links, so the user doesn't need to search things he doesn't know exist. > If anybody is wondering "how can I help Devuan" and is ready to do > something concrete in that direction, putting together such a simple > webpage would be a valuable contribution. Discussions are good and can > be entertaining sometimes, but actions are the only way to improve > things. Let me get things started right here, where we can all collaborate... If you want something that's simple, "just works", and keeps hassle to an absolute minimum, choose the Xfce installer. The Xfce installer is also great for the less technical among us. If you want a very lightweight computer, choose the LXDE (or is it lxqt?) installer. If you want to get *something* installed quickly, or if the graphical installs give you trouble, choose the network installer. Once that's installed, log in as root and type enhance_installation.sh to choose and install the software you need. The enhance_installation.sh program will explain all the major software additions, and in what cases you might need them. If you want to get geeky with it and do a chroot install, use the debootstrap installer. SteveT Steve Litt December 2018 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A concrete proposal [was: Re: Drive-by critique]
On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 11:39:49AM -0800, spiralofhope wrote: > On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 12:37:36 +0100 > KatolaZ wrote: > > > If anybody is wondering "how can I help Devuan" and is ready to do > > something concrete in that direction, putting together such a simple > > webpage would be a valuable contribution. > > I don't know how much I believe this myself, but.. > > Anyone who is wondering how they can help but can't hunt to figure > out the basics on their own is probably not going to contribute much or > for long. Literally anybody can help with putting that page up. There is no needed specific knowledge. We just need to: - identify a set of "features" or "use-cases" (architecture, live vs non-live, internet available at install time or not, desktop vs server, expert vs novice, multiple vs single installs, customised vs "standard", etc); - assign those use-cases to each of the images; - formulate a question for each "feature" which is used to narrow down the set of choices; - write the actual webpage (keeping it as simple as possible: this is the only strictly technical part); - Ask people to take the "survey" and report feedback. I am sure any Devuaner can help with one or more of those tasks. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A concrete proposal [was: Re: Drive-by critique]
On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 12:37:36 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > If anybody is wondering "how can I help Devuan" and is ready to do > something concrete in that direction, putting together such a simple > webpage would be a valuable contribution. I don't know how much I believe this myself, but.. Anyone who is wondering how they can help but can't hunt to figure out the basics on their own is probably not going to contribute much or for long. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A concrete proposal [was: Re: Drive-by critique]
Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org): > I would really like to avoid starting yet-another-lengthy-flame which > has little chance of being useful at all. Writing 150 emails about > which points of that post are good and which are bad might possibly be > useful to sharpen our own rhetoric weapons, but will not further the > achievement of Devuan's mission by a single bit. Fortunately, that's _not_ going to happen here, because the rant in question just is out of touch with Devuan and with the realities of maintaining a distribution. > I have a concrete proposal instead, actually coming from a reply by > Centurion_Dan to that thread on Dev1Galaxy. The proposal is as > follows: > > it would be probably good to have a simple webpage for Devuan > newcomers that asks a couple of questions about the user > intentions/use-case and suggests the most appropriate install image > to use among the available ones. I see now that Centurion-Dan posted this to https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=13190#p13190, where his full comments can be read. It's a tribute to the high quality and dedication of Devuan Project's contributors that so much useful and creative material ends up on its Web forum. I'll confess that I consider this so vanishingly rare that until this past evening I'd not plowed through Eric's drive-by comments much, and hasn't read others' follow-on comments there at all. > If anybody is wondering "how can I help Devuan" and is ready to do > something concrete in that direction, putting together such a simple > webpage would be a valuable contribution. Discussions are good and can > be entertaining sometimes, but actions are the only way to improve > things. Hear, hear. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
