Re: [DNG] Bash keyboard shortcuts working really ugly [SOLVED]

[Miroslav Rovis]

On 170526-14:52+0200, Alessandro Selli wrote:
> On Thu, 25 May 2017 at 07:30:29 +
> Miroslav Rovis  wrote:
> 
> > On 170525-06:51+0200, Alessandro Selli wrote:
> > > On Wed, 24 May 2017 at 16:27:36 + Miroslav Rovis
> > >  wrote:
> > > 

[NOTE: ... typos in the old quoted texts below edited for readability
('s/demonstate/demonstrate/' in two pastes of mine, also 's/undr/under/' in
Alessandro's reply) ]

The Issue
=
> > > > mr@gd0v:~$  I am only trying to demonstrate the issue.
> > > >
> > > > That's ' I' in first editable space of the command line. I move to
> > > > beginning with Ctrl-A.
> > > >
> > > > And I press Alt-D. Here's what I get:
> > > >
> > > > mr@gd0v:~$ ä I am only trying to demonstrate the issue.
> > > >
> > > > But I did press Alt-D... So that one doesn't work.
> > ...
Alessandro's reply which solved it for me:

> > >   This is a problem with Xresources if it happens under Xorg, and/or with
> > > input library keybindings, that is with the .inputrc file.
> > > 
[NOTE: Let's make the solution conspicuously stand out, for people who will be
getting here via search engines with the problem like mine: ]

> > >   Under X I can replicate your problem when I comment this line in
> > >   ~/.Xresources:
> > > 
> > > *metaSendsEscape: true
=

^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | |

> > > 
> > >   Try uncommenting or adding this line, then run:
> > > 
> > > xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources
> > > 
> > > open a new terminal and see if the problem went away.
> > 
> > #==#
> > #  And it did go away! Both Alt-D and Alt-Backspace now work!  # 
> > #==#
> 

That's all. Now follows my belated reply to Alessandro's kind email. It is
belated because I hadn't secured sufficiently well my Devuan to be able to use
it more freely until a few hours ago.

Being it very likely a fact that my Gentoo has been broken into[1] again
(mildly so, but yes: broken into, IMO), notwithstanding and regardless of my
serious and stubborn effort to not be owned again[2]), I decided to take
security even more seriously[3] with my main OS of the next months to come,
Devuan.

Because I want my Devuan to endure any hardship and to last for me, and that I
be able to do good things with it :) .

Alessandro pls. accept my apologies for being this late. In truth I got
hundreds of emails (from all kinds of GNU/FOSS/... lists that I'm subscribed
to) today with remarkably (so far) well working Getmail, Maildrop and Mutt, as
well as Postfix --for sending only--, along with for local mail... Hundreds of
emails because since my reply to Steve which I sent just some twenty minutes
after I replied to you, I haven't gone online with my Devuan, since four days
ago, until today. I really want to make my Devuan secure.

> /me pops open a bottle of Spumante and toast!
My toast to you too, but the red Italian wine you mention further below sounds
even more delicious!

> 
> > And just think of it: I was willing (almost ready) to reinstall my Devuan
> > because of this trivial glitch, kind of... Phew!
> 
>   It's trivial *after* you learned what the issue was, but it can drive you
> crazy for weeks before that!  Especially when the issue concerns some of
> those arcane, scantly documented old-time Unix config files and settings very
> few people think of when something misbehaves under X.
>   I am not sure this setting, that is, everything you put in your
> ~/.Xresources file, is read automatically at every X session, though I
> believe it probably is: it depends by your Desktop Manager.  In my Devuan
> system I find it configures in /etc/X11/Xsession, where I can find:

(Looking into):

> #!/bin/sh
> #
> # /etc/X11/Xsession
> #
> # global Xsession file -- used by display managers and xinit (startx)
> 
> [...]
> 
> USRRESOURCES=$HOME/.Xresources
> 
> and then in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/30x11-common_xresources:
> 
> # $Id: 30x11-common_xresources 305 2005-07-03 18:51:43Z dnusinow $
> 
> # This file is sourced by Xsession(5), not executed.
> 
> [...]
> 
> if has_option allow-user-resources && [ -f "$USRRESOURCES" ]; then
>   if type xrdb >/dev/null 2>&1; then
> xrdb -merge $USRRESOURCES
>   else

I found both the files, and they, by quick check, have the same content you
cite in my box as well, but I only vaguely understand what they do...

> 
> [...]
> 
> > But that's what the developers are here for us users/hopeful testers...  
> 
>   Surely!
> 
>   By the way, people: as I was perusing among the files in /etc/X11
> documenting this email of mine, I updated this file:
> 
> --- /etc/X11/wdm/Xresources 2017-05-26 14:12:25.104413649 +0200
> +++ /etc/X11/wdm/Xresources.orig2017-05-26 14:22:20.487768651 +0200
> @@ -8,8 +8,7 @@
> CtrlReturn: set-session-argument(failsafe) 

Re: [DNG] Bash keyboard shortcuts working really ugly

[Miroslav Rovis]

On 170524-20:03-0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Wed, 24 May 2017 22:28:22 +
> Miroslav Rovis  wrote:
> 
> > I'll also reply to Steve Litt's mail,
> 
> [big snip]
> 
> > You lose donuts/dollars :) ! It is xterm! And only xterm, in my
> > Openbox. 
> 
> OK, yes or no questions, pertaining to work on the physical computer
> without tmux:
Hmmmh... "terminal multiplexer (like gnu screen)" as Florian explained... All
right, trying to follow...

> * Does your problem (which hasn't yet been defined for me) happen in
>   xterm under openbox? Y/N
Y 

> * Does your problem happen in Xterm in another window manager (try
>   windowmaker, jwm, etc) Y/N
Don't know, the problem has been solved, no need to try (my resources are
meager, I work too slowly...).
 
> * Does your problem happen in Suckless Tools st with any window
>   manager? Y/N
Don't know, the problem has been solved, no need to try.
 
> * Does your problem happen in rxvt or urxvt (your choice) with any
>   window manager? Y/N
Couldn't install it, the available urxvt was incompatible with what I had
installed in my Jessie RC2. However, don't remember the details.
 
> * Does your problem happen before you run startx (in Ctrl+Alt+F2, for
>   instance)? Y/N
N
 
> Now, same questions while operating *with* tmux, which I heard you
> mention several times, and remember: Yes or No

NECESSARY DIGRESSION FROM Yes or No: cannot yet browse to learn what tmux
exactly is, haven't secured my Devuan properly yet. And I only have vague idea
what tmux is. I'm not sure is it operating or not in my setup.
 
> Now, some yes or no questions about the nature of your problem, or in
> other words, what gives you an indication of malfunction:
> 
> * Do your hotkeys in question echo an unexpected character? Y/N
Don't know.
 
> * Other than the echo, do your hotkeys in question produce unexpected
>   results? Y/N
Don't know.
 
> If the answer to your last question is "Yes", in one short paragraph
> describe the unexpected result
...
>  
> SteveT

Thanks for caring. The problem has, in the meantime, been identified by
Alessandro Selli and following his suggestion I have managed to fix it.
(
to whose kind email I replied
( only available at:
Bash keyboard shortcuts working really ugly [SOLVED]
https://www.mail-archive.com/dng@lists.dyne.org/msg15292.html
at the time of my writing of this email
)
)
I probably only need to be back to this topic in case it would, say, reappear,
which I don't expect to happen.

Regards!

-- 
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Zagreb, Croatia
https://www.CroatiaFidelis.hr


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Re: [DNG] Bash keyboard shortcuts working really ugly [SOLVED]

[Miroslav Rovis]

On 170525-06:51+0200, Alessandro Selli wrote:
> On Wed, 24 May 2017 at 16:27:36 + Miroslav Rovis
>  wrote:
> 
...
> >
> > mr@gd0v:~$  I am only trying to demonstate the issue.
ERRATA: demonstrate
> >
> > That's ' I' in first editable space of the command line. I move to beginning
> > with Ctrl-A.
> >
> > And I press Alt-D. Here's what I get:
> >
> > mr@gd0v:~$ ä I am only trying to demonstate the issue.
ERRATA: demonstrate
> >
> > But I did press Alt-D... So that one doesn't work.
...
>   This is a problem with Xresources if it happens undr Xorg, and/or with
> input library keybindings, that is with the .inputrc file.
> 
>   Under X I can replicate your problem when I comment this line in
>   ~/.Xresources:
> 
> *metaSendsEscape: true
> 
>   Try uncommenting or adding this line, then run:
> 
> xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources
> 
> open a new terminal and see if the problem went away.

#==#
#  And it did go away! Both Alt-D and Alt-Backspace now work!  # 
#==#

And just think of it: I was willing (almost ready) to reinstall my Devuan
because of this trivial glitch, kind of... Phew! 

But that's what the developers are here for us users/hopeful testers... But we
wouldn't even have Devuan if it weren't for bright people like you devs!

> 
> -- 
> Alessandro Selli http://alessandro.route-add.net
> VOIP SIP: dhatarat...@ekiga.net
> Chiavi PGP/GPG keys: B7FD89FD, 4A904FD9

Molte grazie, caro vicino di paese!
(
for the readers proficient only in lingua franca of these late centuries:
Many thanks, dear neighbor ... (the sintagma is untranslatable literally, but
'vicino di paese' means: neighbor because living in the neighboring country, so
not neighbor because, say, living in a nearby house or town)!
)

Molte grazie, caro vicino di paese!

-- 
Miroslav Rovis
Zagreb, Croatia
https://www.CroatiaFidelis.hr


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Re: [DNG] Bash keyboard shortcuts working really ugly

[Alessandro Selli]

On Wed, 24 May 2017 at 16:27:36 + Miroslav Rovis
 wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I'm actually so happy that I can write to the list from my Devuan, as I have
> moved important functionalities over from my (broken (into?)) Gentoo [1]...
>
> I just successfully moved (little left to sort out) mail, MTA, MUA, MDA. In
> other words: Postfix, Mutt, Getmail, Maildrop seem to work just great.
>
> But I have an issue that, to me, is so bad, that if don't solve it, I'm
> willing to reinstall Devuan...
>
> mr@gd0v:~$  I am only trying to demonstate the issue.
>
> That's ' I' in first editable space of the command line. I move to beginning
> with Ctrl-A.
>
> And I press Alt-D. Here's what I get:
>
> mr@gd0v:~$ ä I am only trying to demonstate the issue.
>
> But I did press Alt-D... So that one doesn't work.
>
> Let me move to the end with Ctrl-E (BTW Ctrl-A and Ctrl-E do work, and some
> other shortcuts).
>
> Now I will press Alt-Backspace. And here's what I get:
>
> mr@gd0v:~$ ä I am only trying to demonstate the issue.ÿ

  This is a problem with Xresources if it happens undr Xorg, and/or with
input library keybindings, that is with the .inputrc file.

  Under X I can replicate your problem when I comment this line in
  ~/.Xresources:

*metaSendsEscape: true

  Try uncommenting or adding this line, then run:

xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources

open a new terminal and see if the problem went away.


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Re: [DNG] Bash keyboard shortcuts working really ugly

[Steve Litt]

On Wed, 24 May 2017 22:28:22 +
Miroslav Rovis  wrote:

> I'll also reply to Steve Litt's mail,

[big snip]

> You lose donuts/dollars :) ! It is xterm! And only xterm, in my
> Openbox. 

OK, yes or no questions, pertaining to work on the physical computer
without tmux:

* Does your problem (which hasn't yet been defined for me) happen in
  xterm under openbox? Y/N

* Does your problem happen in Xterm in another window manager (try
  windowmaker, jwm, etc) Y/N

* Does your problem happen in Suckless Tools st with any window
  manager? Y/N

* Does your problem happen in rxvt or urxvt (your choice) with any
  window manager? Y/N

* Does your problem happen before you run startx (in Ctrl+Alt+F2, for
  instance)? Y/N

Now, same questions while operating *with* tmux, which I heard you
mention several times, and remember: Yes or No

* Does your problem (which hasn't yet been defined for me) happen in
  xterm under openbox? Y/N

* Does your problem happen in Xterm in another window manager (try
  windowmaker, jwm, etc) Y/N

* Does your problem happen in Suckless Tools st with any window
  manager? Y/N

* Does your problem happen in rxvt or urxvt (your choice) with any
  window manager? Y/N

* Does your problem happen before you run startx (in Ctrl+Alt+F2, for
  instance)? Y/N

Now, some yes or no questions about the nature of your problem, or in
other words, what gives you an indication of malfunction:

* Do your hotkeys in question echo an unexpected character? Y/N

* Other than the echo, do your hotkeys in question produce unexpected
  results? Y/N

If the answer to your last question is "Yes", in one short paragraph
describe the unexpected result. Don't put in auxiliary configuration or
what else happened at the same time or suspicions or long strings of
output: All of these can be dealt with later, as soon as we're all on
the same page as to *exactly* what your symptom is. Please place *short*
paragraph about unexpected result below following this colon:

 
SteveT

Steve Litt 
May 2017 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting
http://www.troubleshooters.com/28


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Re: [DNG] Bash keyboard shortcuts working really ugly

[Florian Zieboll]

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On Wed, 24 May 2017 22:28:22 +
Miroslav Rovis  wrote:

> And only xterm, in Openbox. More about it in my reply to Steve below.

I run openbox (LXDE), too. As stated in my last mail, I have dbus
installed. 


> But, @Florian, I do not understand what you confirm above... Do you
> confirm that you have the same issue like I described that I have, or
> just that in xterm it's that char (or whatever the name) behind the
> ALD+d?

In xterm ALT+d prints the "ä", in lxterminal it deletes the characters
to the right.

Analogue with ALT+BACKSPACE and "ÿ" / "delete left".

So CTRL+a and CTRL+e do work, ALT+a and ALT+BACKSPACE don't for all
tested settings / combinations based on xterm.

Just to be sure, I just startx'ed with "dbus-launch lxsession" and also
once with "dbus-launch openbox" in my .xsession - which both didn't
result in any changed behavior: lxterminal is fine, xterm not.


> (I remember having read something about tmux, but don't recall what
> it is, and 'man tmux' shows nothing.) 

tmux is (like gnu screen) a terminal multiplexer.


libre Grüße,

Florian


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Re: [DNG] Bash keyboard shortcuts working really ugly

[Florian Zieboll]

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On Wed, 24 May 2017 20:03:06 +0200
Florian Zieboll  wrote:


> And finally, a screen session inside the secure shell again repeats
> the difference between xterm and lxterminal.


Forgot to mention: I have dbus installed, as well as dbus-x11.

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Re: [DNG] Bash keyboard shortcuts working really ugly

[Miroslav Rovis]

I'll also reply to Steve Litt's mail, pasting it in the bottom (since some of
the queries are same as in Florian's --which contains Jaromil's-- email).

On 170524-20:03+0200, Florian Zieboll wrote:
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> On Wed, 24 May 2017 19:25:31 +0200
> Jaromil  wrote:
> 
> > this is strange indeed. are you experiencing this on the tty console?
> > or from an ssh session? what is your TERM? $(echo $TERM)
Yes I am. Contrary to what Steve would have bet (and that mean if he did, I'd
earn a lot of donuts :) ):

mr@gd0v:~$ echo $TERM
xterm
mr@gd0v:~$ 

And only xterm, in Openbox. More about it in my reply to Steve below.

> 
> 
> I confirm the "ä" for xterm (TERM=xterm). On the console (TERM=linux),
> ALT+d works fine - as well as in lxterminal (TERM=xterm).
But, @Florian, I do not understand what you confirm above... Do you confirm
that you have the same issue like I described that I have, or just that in
xterm it's that char (or whatever the name) behind the ALD+d?

> A tmux session within an xterm (TERM=screen) prints "ä" for ALT+d, the
> same from within lxterminal (TERM=screen) results in the expected
> deletion. 
(I remember having read something about tmux, but don't recall what it is, and
'man tmux' shows nothing.) 

> Same for ssh sessions to another Devuan host: from within xterm
> (TERM=xterm) it prints the "ä", from within lxterminal (TERM=xterm) the
> following characters will be deleted. 
> 
> And finally, a screen session inside the secure shell again repeats the
> difference between xterm and lxterminal.
> 
> 
> hth / libre Grüße,
> 
> Florian

Herzliche grüße von mich auch! (Ah, but my German is still so poor...!)



Now Steve Litt's email.

> 
> > My issues above came to annoy me when I purged my system from dbus.
> 
> :-)
> 
> If the hotkey functionalities depend on dbus, oops!

They may, but I'll do all I can to get a sans-dbus system. My Gentoo (which is
--somewhat-- broken; or more likely broken into, and so Devuan will be my
system for anything online from today) lived without dbus for some three or
four years. A sans-dbus system is possible. I had all I needed. Because frills
and comfort I don't miss at all. 
 
> Miroslav, you don't say what terminal emulator you're using, or whether
> it's a virtual terminal (I sure hope the virtual terminal doesn't
> depend on dbus), but I'm pretty sure the behaviors you're describing
> are terminal emulator dependent. And I'll bet you dollars to donuts (oh
> wait, a donut's worth about a dollar now, I gotta quit using that
> saying) that you're *not* using xterm. I'd suggest you try several
> terminal emulators, and find one that suits your taste.

You lose donuts/dollars :) ! It is xterm! And only xterm, in my Openbox. I ran 
"apt-get install
openbox ..." (there's a tip on Openbox in dev1galaxy.org, I, mostly, followed 
it), and
then I purged dbus (that I did by dev1fanboy's tip on gdo). It also removed
xfce which was in my system, because when I installed Devuan, I went for the
default installation.

Yes, this is it (pasting):

mr@gd0v:~$ echo $TERM
xterm
mr@gd0v:~$ 

And only xterm I use, in Openbox.
> 
> If you haven't tried it, I'd recommend lxterminal from the LXDE
> project. Full featured, menu, tabbed, from a project that hasn't drunk
> the dbus flavored drink (as far as I know).
The last time I used lxde, I had to leave it exactly because it depended on
dbus. That was my last time using Debian. It may have been some two or... less
three years ago. Have things changed? Lxde does not depend on dbus anymore?

> Also, try xterm. If U have problems with fonts and appearance, I've
> gotten fairly good at dealing with that and can help you.
I'm afraid it's something lower level than fonts...
 
> 
> SteveT
> 
> Steve Litt 
> May 2017 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting
> http://www.troubleshooters.com/28
> 

But let me see... If I go (the below is also ostentation of my
grsecurity-hardened kernel :), still relatively recent... only 4.9.x for
grsec... troubles in security waters for GNU/Linux, but that's a different
story...):

Ctrl-Alt+1 (or +2...+5, +6 is occupied after I issued 'startx' in it)

Pls. note:

I don't have any issues like I described in these. Alt-D, Alt-Backspace (and
other bash keyboard shortcuts) work fine.

Here's what I mean (plain paste, somewhat shortened actually):

Devuan GNU/Linux 1 gd0v tty1

gd0v login: mr
[ 4773.484266] grsec: exec of /bin/login (/bin/login -- mr ) by 
/bin/login[getty:3521] uid/euid:0/0 gid/egid:0/0, parent /sbin/init[init:1] 
uid/euid:0/0 gid/egid:0/0
Password:
[ 4828.270460] grsec: exec of /bin/kmod (/sbin/modprobe -q -- net-pf-16-proto-9 
) by /bin/kmod[kworker/u8:1:5047] uid/euid:0/0 gid/egid:0/0, parent 
/[kworker/u8:1:3776] uid/euid:0/0 gid/egid:0/0
[ 4828.275809] grsec: exec of /bin/kmod (/sbin/modprobe -q -- net-pf-16-proto-9 
) by /bin/kmod[kworker/u8:1:5048] uid/euid:0/0 gid/egid:0/0, parent 
/[kworker/u8:1:3776] 

Re: [DNG] Bash keyboard shortcuts working really ugly

[Steve Litt]

On Wed, 24 May 2017 16:27:36 +
Miroslav Rovis  wrote:


> But I have an issue that, to me, is so bad, that if don't solve it,
> I'm willing to reinstall Devuan...

[snip description of unexpected behavior of terminal hotkeys]


> My issues above came to annoy me when I purged my system from dbus.

:-)

If the hotkey functionalities depend on dbus, oops!

Miroslav, you don't say what terminal emulator you're using, or whether
it's a virtual terminal (I sure hope the virtual terminal doesn't
depend on dbus), but I'm pretty sure the behaviors you're describing
are terminal emulator dependent. And I'll bet you dollars to donuts (oh
wait, a donut's worth about a dollar now, I gotta quit using that
saying) that you're *not* using xterm. I'd suggest you try several
terminal emulators, and find one that suits your taste.

If you haven't tried it, I'd recommend lxterminal from the LXDE
project. Full featured, menu, tabbed, from a project that hasn't drunk
the dbus flavored drink (as far as I know).

Also, try xterm. If U have problems with fonts and appearance, I've
gotten fairly good at dealing with that and can help you.


SteveT

Steve Litt 
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http://www.troubleshooters.com/28


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Re: [DNG] Bash keyboard shortcuts working really ugly

[Jaromil]

hi Miroslav,

On Wed, 24 May 2017, Miroslav Rovis wrote:

> And I press Alt-D. Here's what I get:
> 
> mr@gd0v:~$ ä I am only trying to demonstate the issue.
> 
> But I did press Alt-D... So that one doesn't work.
> 
> Let me move to the end with Ctrl-E (BTW Ctrl-A and Ctrl-E do work, and some
> other shortcuts).
> 
> Now I will press Alt-Backspace. And here's what I get:
> 
> mr@gd0v:~$ ä I am only trying to demonstate the issue.ÿ


this is strange indeed. are you experiencing this on the tty console?
or from an ssh session? what is your TERM? $(echo $TERM)

is it really related to udev?!

ciao

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