Re: [DNG] problem with KDE/plasma on Beowulf / pulseaudio too
On Thu, Oct 08, 2020 at 12:24:48PM +0900, Simon Walter wrote: > On 2020-09-27 19:25, . via Dng wrote: > > > > But I also have issues with LXQT, including similar audio problems as > > what others are posting about. I just tried to "apt remove" pulseaudio, > > but apt wants to remove lxqt along with it. > I suppose you could leave pulseaudio installed and disable it. > > I use KDE without pulseaudio. Of course understand that I am not > expecting anything auto-effing-magical. Or just replace pulseaudio wit apulse, which should satisfy the dependencies. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] problem with KDE/plasma on Beowulf / pulseaudio too
On 2020-09-27 19:25, . via Dng wrote: > Hello all, > > I have a thinkpad laptop with a separate numeric keypad. I was using > devuan ascii with KDE happily on this machine, but when I upgraded to > beowulf I lost the use of the numeric keypad. It appears to be > KDE/plasma that's at fault, so I resigned myself to using LXQT instead > of KDE. Is it a USB keypad? > > But I also have issues with LXQT, including similar audio problems as > what others are posting about. I just tried to "apt remove" pulseaudio, > but apt wants to remove lxqt along with it. I suppose you could leave pulseaudio installed and disable it. I use KDE without pulseaudio. Of course understand that I am not expecting anything auto-effing-magical. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] problem with KDE/plasma on Beowulf / pulseaudio too
On 2020-09-28 19:48, g4sra via Dng wrote: > On 28/09/2020 02:29, Hendrik Boom wrote: >> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 01:35:55AM +0200, aitor_czr wrote: >>> On 27/9/20 13:59, g4sra via Dng wrote: I have reservations about where QT5 is going, despite any issue with pulseaudio, now might be a good time to jump ship. >> >> I've been wondering about QT5, but haven't been able to pinpint what makes >> me >> uneasy. Care to elaborate? > > History! > > Remember StarOffice -> OpenOffice leading to the fork and creation of > LibreOffice because the other two were taken over and pulled in-house ? > > MySQL -> MariaDB another example. > > With respect to KDE\LXQT > QT are slowly pulling the source in-house with each release, they keep > changing the licensing of it's various aspects. > They are also starting to require and charge a fee for licenses. > Currently I believe you can submit patches to QT *provided* you register for > a QT account first, how long before you need to pay a fee. > > If I cannot freely submit and have patches applied the official source, then > in my book that source is not FOSS even if the source is published for me to > look at. > I have no qualms about using TDE as the development team have already sort of > forked QT -> TQt by maintaining an earlier uninhibited version themselves. Didn't I read somewhere that KDE has forked QT? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] problem with KDE/plasma on Beowulf / pulseaudio too
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 08:23:26PM +0200, al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: > Sun, 27 Sep 2020 06:25:26 -0400 - "." : > > > [...] > > > > But I also have issues with LXQT, including similar audio problems as > > what others are posting about. I just tried to "apt remove" pulseaudio, > > but apt wants to remove lxqt along with it. > > Which is one of the main reasons I do not use LXQT and use LXDE > instead... > > > So I have a two-part question: is there some way to get my numeric > > keypad back under KDE ; or how can I remove pulseaudio without removing > > lxqt along with it? > > Maybe using dpkg with -r --force-depends. > > Should be (Disclaimer: use it at your own risk): > > $ sudo dpkg -r --force-depends pulseaudio > > > > Or do I have to move on to some other UI? (Okay, part 3 of a 2-part > > question :-) > > Probably you do not have to... But why use something that tends to force > the installation of packages that are not desederated (nor desirable)?... very likely lxqt will be as happy with apulse as with pulseaudio. So install apulse, which likely will uninstall pulseaudio and leaave you lxqt without pulseaudio. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] problem with KDE/plasma on Beowulf / pulseaudio too
Sun, 27 Sep 2020 06:25:26 -0400 - "." : > [...] > > But I also have issues with LXQT, including similar audio problems as > what others are posting about. I just tried to "apt remove" pulseaudio, > but apt wants to remove lxqt along with it. Which is one of the main reasons I do not use LXQT and use LXDE instead... > So I have a two-part question: is there some way to get my numeric > keypad back under KDE ; or how can I remove pulseaudio without removing > lxqt along with it? Maybe using dpkg with -r --force-depends. Should be (Disclaimer: use it at your own risk): $ sudo dpkg -r --force-depends pulseaudio > Or do I have to move on to some other UI? (Okay, part 3 of a 2-part > question :-) Probably you do not have to... But why use something that tends to force the installation of packages that are not desederated (nor desirable)?... Regards al3xu5 -- Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and industrial design restrictions! Public GPG/PGP key: F94CFE23 (4096 bit RSA) Key fingerprint:59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpxKYnF7qHfB.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] problem with KDE/plasma on Beowulf / pulseaudio too
On 28/09/2020 02:29, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 01:35:55AM +0200, aitor_czr wrote: >> On 27/9/20 13:59, g4sra via Dng wrote: >>> I have reservations about where QT5 is going, despite any issue with >>> pulseaudio, now might be a good time to jump ship. > > I've been wondering about QT5, but haven't been able to pinpint what makes me > uneasy. Care to elaborate? History! Remember StarOffice -> OpenOffice leading to the fork and creation of LibreOffice because the other two were taken over and pulled in-house ? MySQL -> MariaDB another example. With respect to KDE\LXQT QT are slowly pulling the source in-house with each release, they keep changing the licensing of it's various aspects. They are also starting to require and charge a fee for licenses. Currently I believe you can submit patches to QT *provided* you register for a QT account first, how long before you need to pay a fee. If I cannot freely submit and have patches applied the official source, then in my book that source is not FOSS even if the source is published for me to look at. I have no qualms about using TDE as the development team have already sort of forked QT -> TQt by maintaining an earlier uninhibited version themselves. > > -- hendrik > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] problem with KDE/plasma on Beowulf / pulseaudio too
There is a growing schism between the Qt Company and the opensource community. The Qt Company published a blog post (https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-offering-changes-2020) reading: > From February onward, everyone, including open-source Qt users, will require > valid Qt accounts to download Qt binary packages. We changed this because we > think that a Qt account lets you make the best use of our services and > contribute to Qt as an open-source user. We want open-source users to help > improve Qt in one form or another, be that through bug reports, forums, code > reviews, or similar. These are currently only accessible from a Qt account, > which is why having one will become mandatory. To which the Qt Foundation answered with: https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-community/2020q2/006098.html This was in April, since then I don't know. Ludovic On 28/09/20 03:29, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 01:35:55AM +0200, aitor_czr wrote: >> On 27/9/20 13:59, g4sra via Dng wrote: >>> I have reservations about where QT5 is going, despite any issue with >>> pulseaudio, now might be a good time to jump ship. > > I've been wondering about QT5, but haven't been able to pinpint what makes me > uneasy. Care to elaborate? > > -- hendrik > >> >> +1 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] problem with KDE/plasma on Beowulf / pulseaudio too
On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 01:35:55AM +0200, aitor_czr wrote: > On 27/9/20 13:59, g4sra via Dng wrote: > > I have reservations about where QT5 is going, despite any issue with > > pulseaudio, now might be a good time to jump ship. I've been wondering about QT5, but haven't been able to pinpint what makes me uneasy. Care to elaborate? -- hendrik > > +1 > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] problem with KDE/plasma on Beowulf / pulseaudio too
On 27/9/20 13:59, g4sra via Dng wrote: I have reservations about where QT5 is going, despite any issue with pulseaudio, now might be a good time to jump ship. +1 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] problem with KDE/plasma on Beowulf / pulseaudio too
On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 06:25:26AM -0400, . via Dng wrote: > Hello all, > > I have a thinkpad laptop with a separate numeric keypad. I was using > devuan ascii with KDE happily on this machine, but when I upgraded to > beowulf I lost the use of the numeric keypad. It appears to be > KDE/plasma that's at fault, so I resigned myself to using LXQT instead > of KDE. > > But I also have issues with LXQT, including similar audio problems as > what others are posting about. I just tried to "apt remove" pulseaudio, > but apt wants to remove lxqt along with it. I use lxqt, but do not have pulseaudio installed. I do have apulse installed, which uses alsa to provide the pulseaudio interface. Perhaps install apulse before or while you uninstall pulseaudio? -- hendrik > > So I have a two-part question: is there some way to get my numeric > keypad back under KDE ; or how can I remove pulseaudio without removing > lxqt along with it? > > Or do I have to move on to some other UI? (Okay, part 3 of a 2-part > question :-) > > TIA, -Bob > > > -- > -Robert Montante, Ph.D. > Department of Mathematical and Digital Sciences > Bloomsburg Universitybobmon AT bloomu DOT edu > Bloomsburg, PA 17815prof.montante AT gmail DOT com > phone: 570-389-4624montcs.bloomu.edu/~bobmon/ > -- > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] problem with KDE/plasma on Beowulf / pulseaudio too
On 27/09/2020 11:25, . via Dng wrote: --snip-- > so I resigned myself to using LXQT instead > of KDE. I have reservations about where QT5 is going, despite any issue with pulseaudio, now might be a good time to jump ship. I second 'TDE' (about as KDE as you can get without the nastiness), as has been previously mentioned by others on this list. Shame its not pulled\mirrored into the Devuan repositories the way Debian is, it 'just works' for me. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
