[dns-operations] Prevalence of nameserver software Was: Re: DNS Operations
Speaking to the message not the (ChetGPT) "massage"... On Sun, 3 Mar 2024, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: [...] I define most popular as the largest number of DNS server installed throughout the whole world. I think this is a valid point. DNS is not synonymous with the Internet; neither is operations. Internal DNS servers exist, and with guidance concerning the need for network segmentation there should be a lot more of them. I have had several requests and inquiries over the past few years specifically concerning a desire to log the addresses of clients making requests. These requests persistently refuse to accept that DNS is an application level protocol, and that a request (or response) is recast by every nameserver it passes through even if it is merely "forwarding": "there must be a way!" People go to great lengths, there's a lot of language lawyering and playing with EDNS involved in these attempts. Invariably my answer (for all but the most technical questions) is install a real DNS server with visibility inside of the NAT horizon (if there is one; there usually is), and that the general-purpose "logging" solution is Dnstap. My admittedly cynical response to the question posed here is that the most common server software is probably a lightweight forwarder (e.g. dnsmasq) or something which only coincidentally does DNS (e.g. Active Directory). -- Fred Morris, internet plumber ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations
[dns-operations] Strange deviation from DNS Operations normal work, just for sunday
On Sun, Mar 03, 2024 at 04:54:24PM +, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote a message of 33 lines which said: > > * anyway, nobody knows how many DNS servers are there (except may be > > the NSA?) > > Will the National Security Agency knows how many DNS servers there are in the > whole world? To tell the truth, your questions are quite strange and one may wonder if you really think before you write. So, the problem with the NSA is not what they know, it is what they will tell. ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations
Re: [dns-operations] DNS Operations
--- Begin Message --- On Monday, March 4th, 2024 at 12:35 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > On Sun, Mar 03, 2024 at 04:05:43PM +, > Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming via dns-operations > dns-operati...@dns-oarc.net wrote > > a message of 98 lines which said: > > > I define most popular as the largest number of DNS server installed > > throughout the whole world. > > > OK but this is very questionable: > > * some DNS servers have one user, some have millions, > * resolver or authoritative server? They are two quite different types > of DNS servers, > * anyway, nobody knows how many DNS servers are there (except may be > the NSA?) Will the National Security Agency knows how many DNS servers there are in the whole world? Regards, Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming Targeted Individual in Singapore --- End Message --- ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations
Re: [dns-operations] DNS Operations
--- Begin Message --- On Sunday, March 3rd, 2024 at 2:06 AM, John Levine wrote: > It appears that Lee ler...@gmail.com said: > > > OK - that was bad phrasing on my part :( > > How about the most popular DNS server software that end-users chose to > > run at home? > > > For the 0.01% of end users that manage their own networks, well, OK. > > On my home network I have an old mini ATX box running FreeBSD, on > which I use unbound. It works great for me. > > R's, > John On my home network, I have an Intel Celeron hardware appliance that runs pfsense firewall (which is based on FreeBSD) and it also uses Unbound. Regards, Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming Targeted Individual in Singapore --- End Message --- ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations
Re: [dns-operations] DNS Operations
On Sun, Mar 03, 2024 at 04:05:43PM +, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming via dns-operations wrote a message of 98 lines which said: > I define most popular as the largest number of DNS server installed > throughout the whole world. OK but this is very questionable: * some DNS servers have one user, some have millions, * resolver or authoritative server? They are two quite different types of DNS servers, * anyway, nobody knows how many DNS servers are there (except may be the NSA?) ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations
Re: [dns-operations] DNS Operations
--- Begin Message --- On Sunday, March 3rd, 2024 at 1:43 AM, Lee wrote: > On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 8:55 AM David Conrad wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > On Mar 2, 2024, at 4:57 AM, Lee ler...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 1:53 AM Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming via > > > dns-operations dns-operati...@dns-oarc.net wrote: > > > > > > > As I checked with ChatGPT, it says ISC BIND DNS Server is the most > > > > popular DNS server software in the world. > > > > ChatGPT is the weaponization of “I saw it on the Internet so it must be > > true." > > > > > I'm guessing that "most popular" is what most home users use > > > > Probably. > > > > > - which seems to be pi-hole > > > > I’d be very surprised if this were the case. I’d have thought the vast > > majority of what end users would use (at least on the recursive side) would > > be whatever their ISP was providing, which I strongly suspect is not > > pi-hole. > > > OK - that was bad phrasing on my part :( > How about the most popular DNS server software that end-users chose to > run at home? > > So whatever their ISP supplies doesn't count, as well as things like > the default software on OpenWRT. I was trying to limit it to just > what home users picked to run at home - not whatever default they were > given. > > Why? Because that might be better that what I picked to run at home. > > Regards, > Lee I personally don't think end users need to run DNS server software at home. Regards, Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming Targeted Individual in Singapore --- End Message --- ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations
Re: [dns-operations] most somethind DNS something, DNS Operations
--- Begin Message --- On Sunday, March 3rd, 2024 at 12:34 AM, John Levine wrote: > It appears that David Conrad via dns-operations d...@virtualized.org said: > > > ChatGPT is the weaponization of “I saw it on the Internet so it must be > > true." > > > May we quote you on that? > > > > - which seems to be pi-hole > > > > I’d be very surprised if this were the case. I’d have thought the vast > > majority of what end users would use (at least on the recursive > > side) would be whatever their ISP was providing, which I strongly suspect > > is not pi-hole. > > > I'd also expect it's whatever they use in the cheap NAT routers that > broadband providers hand out. Maybe cheap NAT routers are using Unbound DNS resolvers. Regards, Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming Targeted Individual in Singapore --- End Message --- ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations
Re: [dns-operations] DNS Operations
--- Begin Message --- On 2/3/2024 9:54 pm, David Conrad wrote: > Hi, > > On Mar 2, 2024, at 4:57 AM, Lee wrote: >> On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 1:53 AM Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming via >> dns-operations wrote: >>> >>> As I checked with ChatGPT, it says ISC BIND DNS Server is the most popular >>> DNS server software in the world. > > ChatGPT is the weaponization of “I saw it on the Internet so it must be true." > >> I'm guessing that "most popular" is what most home users use > > Probably. > >> - which seems to be pi-hole > > I’d be very surprised if this were the case. I’d have thought the vast > majority of what end users would use (at least on the recursive side) would > be whatever their ISP was providing, which I strongly suspect is not pi-hole. > >> If you want to define "most popular" as what the root servers > > This would be an odd definition of “most popular”. > >> If you want to define "most popular" as DNS servers accessible on the >> Internet, I'd kind of like to know too. Maybe bind, maybe not.. I dunno. > > > Historically (as in the 80s and 90s), it was probably BIND because it was > pretty much the only DNS package out there. My memory was that when Microsoft > came out with Active Directory (and, to a lesser extent djbdns), BIND’s > market share dropped rapidly. There was (is) a tool known as “fpdns” that > could be used to provide interesting stats on what DNS servers were running, > but I believe this stopped being effective as developers ‘fixed’ the > information leakage fpdns made use of. > > Fortunately, there are a lot of name servers, both authoritative and > recursive, out there these days so monoculture concerns aren’t that > significant anymore. > > Regards, > -drc > It is compulsory for Microsoft Active Directory Domain Controllers to have a DNS server. And Microsoft provided a Windows-based GUI DNS server. Regards, Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming Targeted Individual in Singapore --- End Message --- ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations
Re: [dns-operations] DNS Operations
--- Begin Message --- On Saturday, March 2nd, 2024 at 9:39 PM, Lee wrote: > On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 3:57 AM Lee ler...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 1:53 AM Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming via > > dns-operations dns-operati...@dns-oarc.net wrote: > > > > > As I checked with ChatGPT, it says ISC BIND DNS Server is the most > > > popular DNS server software in the world. > > > I've never tried it, but "DNS fingerprinting tool" might let you find > out for yourself: > https://www.dns-oarc.net/tools/fpdns > > Regards, > Lee Thanks for the link. Regards, Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming Targeted Individual in Singapore --- End Message --- ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations
Re: [dns-operations] DNS Operations
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On Saturday, March 2nd, 2024 at 4:57 PM, Lee wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 1:53 AM Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming via
> dns-operations dns-operati...@dns-oarc.net wrote:
>
> > As I checked with ChatGPT, it says ISC BIND DNS Server is the most popular
> > DNS server software in the world.
>
>
> I'm guessing that "most popular" is what most home users use - which
> seems to be pi-hole
>
> If you want to define "most popular" as what the root servers use then
> maybe NSD:
> $ cat root-server-types
> #!/bin/bash
> # what software are the root servers running?
> grep -o . <<< "abcdefghijklm" | while read X ; do
> printf "%s\t" ${X}.root-servers.net.
> printf "%s\n" "$(dig -c ch -t txt version.bind
> @${X}.root-servers.net. +short)"
> done
>
> If you want to define "most popular" as DNS servers accessible on the
> Internet, I'd kind of like to know too. Maybe bind, maybe not.. I
> dunno.
>
> Regards,
> Lee
I define most popular as the largest number of DNS server installed throughout
the whole world.
Regards,
Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
Targeted Individual in Singapore
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