Re: [dns-operations] getting .CW recognised in the Google ccTLD tables/databases ...
Late to the party, as usual. On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:00:45AM -0800, Doug Barton wrote: official list from IANA, and if you feel like arguing with them, here's the ISO list to shut you up. :) It's worth noting that, unlike IANA's decision many years ago to use an external authority (ISO's list) to determine what a valid ccTLD is, in recent years ICANN has walked right into the trap the IANA avoided in the last round. For with the IDN ccTLDs, ICANN seems not to have adopted an unambigious external authority to which it can point to say, That's how we come up with these names. I would look forward to the first nasty discussion about the correct spelling of an IDN in the root, except that, of course, it's already happened. Best, A -- Andrew Sullivan a...@anvilwalrusden.com ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations dns-jobs mailing list https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-jobs
Re: [dns-operations] getting .CW recognised in the Google ccTLD tables/databases ...
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 06:55:44PM -0400, .CW Registry Curacao regis...@una.net wrote a message of 187 lines which said: We need some help with getting our ccTLD registered worldwide. You're in the news :-) http://domainincite.com/11673-apple-google-and-microsoft-still-dont-understand-new-tlds ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations dns-jobs mailing list https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-jobs
Re: [dns-operations] getting .CW recognised in the Google ccTLD tables/databases ...
Dear Carlos, Please find attached the history of some conversations (between my colleague Jeffrey) with Google support. Let me know if you need anything else to help with this issue. Rgds, CW Registry Curacao University of the Netherlands Antilles Phone: +599-98442250/1 Fax: +599-98442255 E-mail: regis...@una.net URL: www.una.cw/CW_Registry SAVE PAPER - Please do not print this e-mail unless necessary -Original Message- From: Carlos M. Martinez [mailto:carlosm3...@gmail.com] Sent: 22 January 2013 09:11 AM To: .CW Registry Curacao Cc: dns-operati...@mail.dns-oarc.net Subject: Re: [dns-operations] getting .CW recognised in the Google ccTLD tables/databases ... Mr. Pengel, Is there a way for people interested in debugging this problem to get a .CW email address. I wonder if there is any free webmail provider in the island, or if your organization could provide a few test accounts under some special-purpose domain. regards, ~Carlos On 1/20/13 8:55 PM, .CW Registry Curacao wrote: Dear DNS Operations, I am not sure this is an issue that you can do anything about, however we have been advised by our colleagues from the ccNSO (ICANN) to send you this email message. We need some help with getting our ccTLD registered worldwide. Several Internet services sites cannot be used by our customers, because the .CW is not recognized. In our case it prevents us as university to make use of (for instance) Google Apps. Please help! Rgds, ir. Leendert J.J. Pengel /CW Registry Curacao/ /University of the Netherlands Antilles/ /Phone: +599-98442250/1/ /Fax: +599-98442255/ /E-mail: regis...@una.net mailto:lpen...@attglobal.net/ /URL: www.una.cw/CW_Registry http://www.una.an/an_domreg/ *P* *SAVE PAPER - Please do not print this e-mail unless necessary* ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations dns-jobs mailing list https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-jobs ---BeginMessage--- Dear Google Enterprise Support, We are hereby sending this e-mail to request the registration of the .CW ccTLD within Google Apps. Our customers have informed us that they are not able to use your valued services since .CW country code is not registered within Google Apps. As the official registrar for the .CW ccTLD, we would like to make a request to have this added to your systems. Please refer to the following link on the IANA website identifying us as the official registrar for the .CW ccTLD. http://www.iana.org/reports/2011/cw-report-20111003.html http://www.iana.org/domains/root/db/cw.html If for legal reasons you have the need for further identification documentation, please do not hesitate to request these. We hope this process can be a fast and easy one. We are also the official registrars for the .AN ccTLD. Best regards, ing. Jeffrey A. Schmidt IT Support Coördinator University of the Netherlands Antilles Phone: (+599-9) 844-2226 Fax: (+599-9) 844-2255 E-mail: mailto:l.pen...@una.an jeffrey.schm...@una.an URL: www.una.an/ccuna This communication contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and then destroy any copies of it. There's more happiness in giving than there is in receiving - (J. Kingdom) P SAVE PAPER - Please do not print this e-mail unless necessary This message is scanned for Virus and Spam by University of Netherlands Antilles, Curacao. ---End Message--- ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations dns-jobs mailing list https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-jobs
Re: [dns-operations] getting .CW recognised in the Google ccTLD tables/databases ...
At 07:54 22-01-2013, .CW Registry Curacao wrote: Please find attached the history of some conversations (between my colleague Jeffrey) with Google support. The problem is not related to email or DNS. It related to the web. It may be easier to contact web folks who can fix it. Regards, -sm ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations dns-jobs mailing list https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-jobs
Re: [dns-operations] getting .CW recognised in the Google ccTLD tables/databases ...
Dear -SM, Thanks for your follow-up. We are working on it! Rgds, --Original Message-- From: SM To: .CW Registry Curacao Cc: dns-operati...@mail.dns-oarc.net Subject: Re: [dns-operations] getting .CW recognised in the Google ccTLD tables/databases ... Sent: Jan 22, 2013 1:52 PM At 07:54 22-01-2013, .CW Registry Curacao wrote: Please find attached the history of some conversations (between my colleague Jeffrey) with Google support. The problem is not related to email or DNS. It related to the web. It may be easier to contact web folks who can fix it. Regards, -sm .CW Registry Curacao University of the Netherlands Antilles Phone: +599-98442250/1 Fax: +599-98442255 E-mail: regis...@una.net URL: www.una.cw/CW_DomReg SAVE PAPER - Please do not print this e-mail unless necessary ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations dns-jobs mailing list https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-jobs
Re: [dns-operations] getting .CW recognised in the Google ccTLD tables/databases ...
And you wonder why IDNs are not more mainstream... look no further. From the end user POV - domain names that you can't use for E-mail or in web forms are as useful as a parachute with holes in it. On 22-01-2013 22:47, Warren Kumari wrote: On Jan 22, 2013, at 12:52 PM, SM s...@resistor.net wrote: At 07:54 22-01-2013, .CW Registry Curacao wrote: Please find attached the history of some conversations (between my colleague Jeffrey) with Google support. The problem is not related to email or DNS. It related to the web. It may be easier to contact web folks who can fix it. Oh, and just for closing the loop… I am in contact with Jeffrey and Leendert, trying ti figure out where exactly we are checking this… W Regards, -sm ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations dns-jobs mailing list https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-jobs -- Life is a concentration camp. You're stuck here and there's no way out and you can only rage impotently against your persecutors. -- Woody Allen ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations dns-jobs mailing list https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-jobs ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations dns-jobs mailing list https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-jobs
Re: [dns-operations] getting .CW recognised in the Google ccTLD tables/databases ...
Agree, but anyways checking suffixes is a bizarre and broken way of validating an email. Just because a suffix exists it doesn't mean that the domain exists, and if a domain doesn't exist because the TLD is wrong or the 2nd level, or the 3rd level labels are wrong, the net effect on the application is the same. Validating suffixes is less than worthless. Either validate the whole label chain or learn to deal with bounces. I registered the cagnazzo.name domain name some three years ago and decided not to renew it because my email c...@cagnazzo.name was almost unusable due be perceived as 'not valid' by many web applications. And .name has been out for several years. rant It's going to be fun watching what happens with the new round of gTLDs. I certainly hope that lousy web programmers start feeling the hot breath of pissed off people who have just spent a gazillion dollars on their new TLD just to have their shiny new .whatever emails be considered 'invalid' by some idiotic PHP form validation code. /rant cheers! ~C. On 1/20/13 11:07 PM, Rick Wesson wrote: +1 getting on the mozilla list effects lots of applications. -rick On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 4:55 PM, RijilV rij...@riji.lv wrote: My experience is many people use Mozilla's public suffix list for allowing folks to create resources on their app services. This is because a large number of TLDs don't support creating records directly off of them, and the 3rd parties don't want to accidentally grant ownership to a higher namespace to an individual. For example, .uk is a TLD, but you shouldn't let people regirester apps under that because someone could cleverly take co.uk and create sub apps within that that they didn't own. http://publicsuffix.org/list/ Incidentally, I don't see .cw in that list. It is open to submissions... http://publicsuffix.org/submit/ .r' On 20 January 2013 16:28, Joe Abley jab...@hopcount.ca wrote: On 2013-01-21, at 11:55, .CW Registry Curacao regis...@una.net wrote: I am not sure this is an issue that you can do anything about, however we have been advised by our colleagues from the ccNSO (ICANN) to send you this email message. We need some help with getting our ccTLD registered worldwide. Several Internet services sites cannot be used by our customers, because the .CW is not recognized. In our case it prevents us as university to make use of (for instance) Google Apps. There are google people on this list who (if they haven't already contacted you about it) will no doubt be happy to help you out with that specific problem, in their normal efficient way. More generally, there are many people who make assumptions about what a valid domain name is. A common example (I find) can be found in web forms which validate e-mail addresses. I can't even remember the number of times I was told that jab...@ca.afilias.info was invalid when I was working for Afilias, which always struck me as pleasantly ironic, especially when the web forms in question were provided by people trying to sell us stuff. There's no central registry for broken human expectations of how the DNS works. You pretty much need to just get used to complaining to the people who provide individual broken services when you find them. Joe ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations dns-jobs mailing list https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-jobs ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations dns-jobs mailing list https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-jobs ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations dns-jobs mailing list https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-jobs ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations dns-jobs mailing list https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-jobs
Re: [dns-operations] getting .CW recognised in the Google ccTLD tables/databases ...
Hi, On Jan 21, 2013, at 1:07 AM, Jaap Akkerhuis j...@nlnetlabs.nl wrote: ISO-3166-1 table which shows valid ccTLDs in green: http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards/country_codes/iso-3166-1_decoding_table.htm Yellow (exceptionally reserved) code elements used for ccTLDs are also considered 'valid'. Just some of them. I was speaking from IANA/ICANN's perspective in the sense that for a 2-letter TLD to be delegated, the first condition that must be met is that the 2-letter ISO-3166 code point must be allocated by ISO-3166/MA. At this point in time, IANA/ICANN considers code points marked in green and in yellow in the decoding table as 'allocated'. This, of course, is not the only condition for a 2-letter TLD to be delegated out of a 2-letter ISO-3166 code point. Regards, -drc ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations dns-jobs mailing list https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-jobs
Re: [dns-operations] getting .CW recognised in the Google ccTLD tables/databases ...
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, RijilV wrote: My experience is many people use Mozilla's public suffix list for allowing folks to create resources on their app services. I was going to suggest that. However bear in mind that this isn't really a TLD list. What it is is a list of domains that Mozilla won't allow cookies to be set for. -- Fred Morris ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations dns-jobs mailing list https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-jobs
Re: [dns-operations] getting .CW recognised in the Google ccTLD tables/databases ...
On 2013-01-21, at 11:55, .CW Registry Curacao regis...@una.net wrote: I am not sure this is an issue that you can do anything about, however we have been advised by our colleagues from the ccNSO (ICANN) to send you this email message. We need some help with getting our ccTLD registered worldwide. Several Internet services sites cannot be used by our customers, because the .CW is not recognized. In our case it prevents us as university to make use of (for instance) Google Apps. There are google people on this list who (if they haven't already contacted you about it) will no doubt be happy to help you out with that specific problem, in their normal efficient way. More generally, there are many people who make assumptions about what a valid domain name is. A common example (I find) can be found in web forms which validate e-mail addresses. I can't even remember the number of times I was told that jab...@ca.afilias.info was invalid when I was working for Afilias, which always struck me as pleasantly ironic, especially when the web forms in question were provided by people trying to sell us stuff. There's no central registry for broken human expectations of how the DNS works. You pretty much need to just get used to complaining to the people who provide individual broken services when you find them. Joe ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations dns-jobs mailing list https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-jobs
Re: [dns-operations] getting .CW recognised in the Google ccTLD tables/databases ...
A nit: On Jan 20, 2013, at 4:35 PM, Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us wrote: ISO-3166-1 table which shows valid ccTLDs in green: http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards/country_codes/iso-3166-1_decoding_table.htm Yellow (exceptionally reserved) code elements used for ccTLDs are also considered 'valid'. This is an uphill battle which is only going to get steeper when the next round of new TLDs is released. It might eventually improve as folks who make broken assumptions keep getting whined at. And world peace might break out too. Regards, -drc ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations dns-jobs mailing list https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-jobs
Re: [dns-operations] getting .CW recognised in the Google ccTLD tables/databases ...
remind me if .info and .biz, .pro, .areo, .etc were not commercial concerns? The organizational structure of the TLD is irrelevant to the underlying technology in question. your assertion is invalid. -rick On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Frank Bulk frnk...@iname.com wrote: Except that with the next round of new TLDs there will be a commercial (financial) interest for the new TLD to be fully and widely usable. Frank -Original Message- From: dns-operations-boun...@lists.dns-oarc.net [mailto:dns-operations-boun...@lists.dns-oarc.net] On Behalf Of Doug Barton Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 6:36 PM To: .CW Registry Curacao Cc: dns-operati...@mail.dns-oarc.net Subject: Re: [dns-operations] getting .CW recognised in the Google ccTLD tables/databases ... snip This is an uphill battle which is only going to get steeper when the next round of new TLDs is released. Good luck, Doug ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations dns-jobs mailing list https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-jobs ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations dns-jobs mailing list https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-jobs ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations dns-jobs mailing list https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-jobs
