Re: [Dnsmasq-discuss] Overlapping/duplicate subnets

[S. M. Hossein Hamidi]

Hi,

While it might seem weird, it is a valid scenario. There might be reasons
to let reusing IP addresses.

To answer your question about deployment of NAT devices, it shouldn't be
just a NAT device. Each LAN segment can have its own NAT gateway.

Regards,

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 4:07 PM, /dev/rob0  wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 02:55:30PM +0100, S. M. Hossein Hamidi wrote:
> > I am new to dnsmasq and my mind is busy with a DHCP scenario that I
> > would like to consult with you before getting my hands dirty.
> >
> > Suppose that we have several subnets which are behind a NAT device
> > which additionally acts as a DHCP relay agent. I know that using
> > DHCP relay agent information option, I can distinguish between
> > different subnets. However, the additional constraint is to use
> > duplicate or overlapping subnets instead of distinct subnets.
>
> That is a very strange constraint.  RFC 1918 is quite large enough;
> it's not necessary to share your netblocks.  And how will your NAT
> device distinguish one segment with a shared netblock from another
> segment using the same netblock?
>
> Sounds like broken IP networking to me.  Compliant IP stacks do
> routing based on IP address blocks.
>
> > Since, the traffic comes from each segment goes through NAT, it
> > wouldn't be any problem to use duplicate IP addresses, knowing
> > that each segment has its own autonomy.
>
> But again, how does the NAT device do this?
>
> > So, may I know if can I exploit tagging feature of dnsmasq so
> > that it can handle separate potentially overlapping leases for
> > each subnet?
>
> I'm pretty sure this would not be possible in dnsmasq nor in ISC
> dhcpd.  Either one could do a single netblock shared among many
> distinct segments, but each would only be able to give out any one
> address to only one client.
>
> But wait and see what Simon says. :)
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Re: [Dnsmasq-discuss] Overlapping/duplicate subnets

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On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 02:55:30PM +0100, S. M. Hossein Hamidi wrote:
> I am new to dnsmasq and my mind is busy with a DHCP scenario that I 
> would like to consult with you before getting my hands dirty.
> 
> Suppose that we have several subnets which are behind a NAT device 
> which additionally acts as a DHCP relay agent. I know that using 
> DHCP relay agent information option, I can distinguish between 
> different subnets. However, the additional constraint is to use 
> duplicate or overlapping subnets instead of distinct subnets.

That is a very strange constraint.  RFC 1918 is quite large enough; 
it's not necessary to share your netblocks.  And how will your NAT 
device distinguish one segment with a shared netblock from another 
segment using the same netblock?

Sounds like broken IP networking to me.  Compliant IP stacks do 
routing based on IP address blocks.

> Since, the traffic comes from each segment goes through NAT, it 
> wouldn't be any problem to use duplicate IP addresses, knowing
> that each segment has its own autonomy.

But again, how does the NAT device do this?

> So, may I know if can I exploit tagging feature of dnsmasq so
> that it can handle separate potentially overlapping leases for
> each subnet?

I'm pretty sure this would not be possible in dnsmasq nor in ISC 
dhcpd.  Either one could do a single netblock shared among many 
distinct segments, but each would only be able to give out any one 
address to only one client.

But wait and see what Simon says. :)
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[Dnsmasq-discuss] Overlapping/duplicate subnets

[S. M. Hossein Hamidi]

Hi all,

I am new to dnsmasq and my mind is busy with a DHCP scenario that I would
like to consult with you before getting my hands dirty.

Suppose that we have several subnets which are behind a NAT device which
additionally acts as a DHCP relay agent. I know that using DHCP relay agent
information option, I can distinguish between different subnets. However,
the additional constraint is to use duplicate or overlapping subnets
instead of distinct subnets. Since, the traffic comes from each segment
goes through NAT, it wouldn't be any problem to use duplicate IP addresses,
knowing that each segment has its own autonomy.

So, may I know if can I exploit tagging feature of dnsmasq so that it can
handle separate potentially overlapping leases for each subnet?


Regards,
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