Re: [docbook-apps] Apostrophe in docbook document
Hi Ron On 26/01/10 20:42, Ron Catterall wrote: Hi Dave Not sure why I got into this, but I'll push it along a bit. XML was designed to allow the storage of formatted text in a human and machine readable state. When a human does the reading (of the XML text) he can see the apos or rsquo character in context and guess pretty accurately whether it is an indication of a missing character, a genitive marker or a closing quote. So far I am with you all the way - it doesn't matter in English. And when the formatted output is presented to the human which Unicode code point is used is rarely material. Now look at machine reading: Imagine a linguist wanting to search some text to count 1. The use of contractions (e.g. isn't versus is not ). He wants to find list and count all contractions. His text editor or little Perl script (he doesn't know regex) looks for rsquo and finds what he wants corrupted by lots of extraneous closing strings and genitive markers. The three logically different functions are represented by the same code. 2. ditto except that this time he wants to find quoted strings 3. ditto but this time his interest is in the grammar and he is searching for genitives 4. why he might want to distinguish between singular and plural genitives is beyond me. But he might. My initial reaction is who the heck is going to mark this up - accurately and with the knowledge of English and Unicode to do a good job of it. Someone in Edinburgh perhaps? http://www.ling.ed.ac.uk/ I guess I just don't like one symbol with three meanings. Imagine this in your code, you don't need = == and EQ, one symbol will handle all. Yep. I'm doing that to please the compiler writer I guess. The problem of course is not a Docbook problem, it is in the UTF tables (and the linguist would probably be using TEI anyway, but it's not a TEI problem either) Your proposal is a solution, not a problem Ron :-) In my case all my quotes in XML tags are done on the keyboard #x27, all my text quotes are quote, all my apostrophe marks and genitives are apos so a simple global edit puts all to rights for me - now that I know to use rsquo Suggestion. If you're using Linux. Look into keyboard mappings and use... perhaps your numeric keypad to generate this 'suite' for you using a single keypress? Just a thought. regards regards -- Dave Pawson XSLT XSL-FO FAQ. http://www.dpawson.co.uk - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org
Re: [docbook-apps] html2docbook: issue with h2/
Hello, perhaps it's an option for you to try the HTML to DocBook converter herold (http://www.dbdoclet.org/archives/herold_5.2.2.jar). I ran java -jar herold_5.2.2.jar -i input.xhtml -o output.xml and the result looks like: ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8? article version=1.0 xmlns=http://docbook.org/ns/docbook; xmlns:xl=http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink; info/ section remap=h1 titleTitle1/title parabla 1/para section remap=h2 titleTitle2/title parabla 2/para /section /section /article Regards Hi there, I'd like to know if anyone is using the script from the page: http://wiki.docbook.org/topic/Html2DocBook I tried on a very tidy example: $ cat input.xhtml !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd; html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; body h1Title1/h1 pbla 1/p h2Title2/h2 pbla 2/p /body /html Here is what I get as output: $ cat output.xml ?xml version=1.0? section titleTitle1/title parabla 1/para parabla 2/para /section The title in h2 element is lost during the conversion. Any idea on how to fix that ? Thanks,
RE: [docbook-apps] Re: [docbook] DocBook and Google Summer of Code ?
Just throwing one idea out there for this project: Upgrade the refdb-lite code to take it from DocBook 4.6 using DTDs to DocBook 5 using RelaxNG. The code started as part of RefDB proper and lightened by Doug du Boulay. The sourceforge site is here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/refdb-lite/ Pure XSLT 1 based formatting of bibliographies and citations in DocBook XMLdocuments. Bibliographic data can be accessed either from a real RefDB database, or from an XML data file. The refdb-lite XSLT code base is in good shape and it provides a simple method of using straight XSLT1.0 to create bibliographies and can create different citation methods for html (author-year for one example). Additionally, it can use a raw DocBook bibliography and does not require a RefDB database setup (although it can use one if needed). It's a solid place to start with some obvious modifications that are needed and the scope can be kept to fit in with the Summer of Code time frame. I'm biased since I have a docbook system that requires author-year citations. However, it does seem to me that DocBook would benefit from a simple and straightforward way to create bibliographies that could be folded back into the DocBook stylesheets; a method that requires no extra setup, just using DocBook bibliography collection and XSLT (1.0). Any comments? Would such a project benefit enough users? thanks, --Tim Arnold -Original Message- From: Stefan Seefeld [mailto:seef...@sympatico.ca] Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 7:48 PM To: docb...@lists.oasis-open.org; DocBook Apps Mailing List Subject: [docbook-apps] Re: [docbook] DocBook and Google Summer of Code ? Mid-december I sent a mail to this list, suggesting that DocBook applies to participate in Google's Summer of Code program. A couple of people followed up with interest and ideas, so I'd like to send out a little note with some details. Google just sent out this: http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code- discuss/browse_thread/thread/d839c0b02ac15b3f?pli=1 The most important bit is this: We will begin accepting application from would-be mentoring organizations beginning March 8th at approximately 19:00 UTC, with applications closing on March 12th at 23:00 UTC. I would like to suggest that, as a start, we collect project ideas on the wiki. (I was going to do that, then realized that the pages I looked at where marked immutable. May be I'm just lacking enough karma to edit them. Can someone help ? A new GSoCIdeas page would be a good start !) Thanks, Stefan -- ...ich hab' noch einen Koffer in Berlin... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org
[docbook-apps] Problems producing striped tables
Hi, Following the example: http://www.sagehill.net/docbookxsl/PrintTableStyles.html#TabstyleTemplate I tried to produce striped tables. It works for HTML but it doesn't for PDF. Is there any problem with PDF? I'm missing something? Regards. Pedro - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org
Re: [docbook-apps] Re: [docbook] DocBook and Google Summer of Code ?
Hello, I have always dreamed of a graphical application that would allow someone without a CS degree to customize the XSL-FO stylesheets. A first version would concentrate on customizing specific parts of the stylesheet, like: - standard customization parameters, clearly organized, with choice or value validation - personalization of attribute sets, proposing a reduced set of parameters available in XSL-FO - customization of specific zones like title pages, headers, footers All this should be very flexible: aka it must be easy for a programmer to propose new parameters (for example the logo filename to appear on the title page) to be added to the interface. So I thought maybe the extra information needed to build the interface could be coded in the XSL itself... To be discussed. Anyone interested in that? Camille. master pages, David Cramer wrote: I believe the DocBook wiki is broken at the moment, but yes, having a list somewhere to start from would be useful. My vote would be for a WebHelp output with toc, search, and index tabs in the nav pane. It would be like http://www.thingbag.net/docbook/docbook-webhelp/index.html but better: the toc pane would synchronize with the content (or perhaps it wouldn't be use frames at all, but be more like website's nav mechansim), the search would ideally be more i18nized, etc., and it would be part of the DocBook XSL distribution. David -Original Message- From: Stefan Seefeld [mailto:seef...@sympatico.ca] Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 6:48 PM To: docb...@lists.oasis-open.org; DocBook Apps Mailing List Subject: [docbook-apps] Re: [docbook] DocBook and Google Summer of Code ? Mid-december I sent a mail to this list, suggesting that DocBook applies to participate in Google's Summer of Code program. A couple of people followed up with interest and ideas, so I'd like to send out a little note with some details. Google just sent out this: http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/b rowse_thread/thread/d839c0b02ac15b3f?pli=1 The most important bit is this: We will begin accepting application from would-be mentoring organizations beginning March 8th at approximately 19:00 UTC, with applications closing on March 12th at 23:00 UTC. I would like to suggest that, as a start, we collect project ideas on the wiki. (I was going to do that, then realized that the pages I looked at where marked immutable. May be I'm just lacking enough karma to edit them. Can someone help ? A new GSoCIdeas page would be a good start !) Thanks, Stefan -- ...ich hab' noch einen Koffer in Berlin... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org attachment: camille.vcf- To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org
Re: [docbook-apps] Problems producing striped tables
Yes, I just tested it and it works. However, the example is for CALS tables that use row elements. Are you using HTML table markup that uses tr instead? That would require modifying the xsl:number statement in the example. Bob Stayton Sagehill Enterprises b...@sagehill.net - Original Message - From: Pedro Pastor p...@dlsi.ua.es To: docbook-apps@lists.oasis-open.org Cc: 'Pedro Pastor' p...@dlsi.ua.es Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 8:30 AM Subject: [docbook-apps] Problems producing striped tables Hi, Following the example: http://www.sagehill.net/docbookxsl/PrintTableStyles.html#TabstyleTemplate I tried to produce striped tables. It works for HTML but it doesn't for PDF. Is there any problem with PDF? I'm missing something? Regards. Pedro - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org
Re: [docbook-apps] html2docbook: issue with h2/
Looking the stylesheet, it appears to not be able to generate nested sections from h1, h2, etc. headings. It only generates a single section element for the entire HTML file. The basic challenge is that plain HTML has a linear structure, in which h2 is just another block element like para, while DocBook has a nested structure where section contains title and para and other section elements. Converting a linear structure to a nested structure requires a more complex stylesheet than this one. I would suggest you try the standalone HTML-to-DocBook conversion tool herold, which used to be part of the dbdoclet Java app but is now a stand alone app. It can be downloaded from: http://www.dbdoclet.org/ Bob Stayton Sagehill Enterprises b...@sagehill.net - Original Message - From: Mathieu Malaterre mathieu.malate...@gmail.com To: docbook-apps@lists.oasis-open.org Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 8:03 AM Subject: [docbook-apps] html2docbook: issue with h2/ Hi there, I'd like to know if anyone is using the script from the page: http://wiki.docbook.org/topic/Html2DocBook I tried on a very tidy example: $ cat input.xhtml !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd; html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; body h1Title1/h1 pbla 1/p h2Title2/h2 pbla 2/p /body /html Here is what I get as output: $ cat output.xml ?xml version=1.0? section titleTitle1/title parabla 1/para parabla 2/para /section The title in h2 element is lost during the conversion. Any idea on how to fix that ? Thanks, -- Mathieu - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org
Re: [docbook-apps] Re: [docbook] DocBook and Google Summer of Code ?
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Camille Bégnis cami...@neodoc.biz wrote: I have always dreamed of a graphical application that would allow someone without a CS degree to customize the XSL-FO stylesheets. I'm sure this was just a figure of speech, but of the four people that developed (and maintain) O'Reilly's *gigantic*, successful customization of the XSL-FO stylesheets, only one has a CS degree. I have a history degree, for example. Keith - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org
Re: [docbook-apps] inlinemediaobject + caption for epubs?
Hi, I would suggest that an informalfigure element with a floatstyle=right attribute would be more appropriate for wrapping the text flow around the figure. You could add a caption element to the mediaobject element inside the informalfigure. I haven't tried it with epub, but it works in XHTML. Bob Stayton Sagehill Enterprises b...@sagehill.net - Original Message - From: Robert Nagle idiotprogram...@gmail.com To: docbook-apps@lists.oasis-open.org Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 3:59 AM Subject: [docbook-apps] inlinemediaobject + caption for epubs? Hi, I'm trying to create xhtml/epub content and trying to use images which are right-aligned and floating but have captions. I don't want images to interrupt the flow of the page when it's in epub. Instead I want text to wrap around a right-aligned image. It looks like inlinemedia is the best element for that; however, by default inlinemedia doesn't allow captions -- only textobjects which don't render in chunked html output (only as alt text). I need the equivalent of captions for inlinemedia elements. Is there a way to override that so that textobjects are visible? The problem here is that mediaobjects are block elements (which make sense for html and fo output, but not for epub). When dealing with smaller sized screens, using the extra space to separate an image block element is wasteful and inefficient. Any ideas for how to solve this problem? Robert Nagle Houston, Texas http://www.imaginaryplanet.net/weblogs/idiotprogrammer/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org
RE: [docbook-apps] Re: [docbook] DocBook and Google Summer of Code ?
Hello, the application you mention already exists - see http://sourceforge.net/projects/db-xsl-cfg/. But it does not cover all aspects described bellow. Pavel -Původní zpráva- Od: Camille Bégnis [mailto:cami...@neodoc.biz] Odesláno: st 27.1.2010 18:05 Komu: apps docbook Předmět: Re: [docbook-apps] Re: [docbook] DocBook and Google Summer of Code ? Hello, I have always dreamed of a graphical application that would allow someone without a CS degree to customize the XSL-FO stylesheets. A first version would concentrate on customizing specific parts of the stylesheet, like: - standard customization parameters, clearly organized, with choice or value validation - personalization of attribute sets, proposing a reduced set of parameters available in XSL-FO - customization of specific zones like title pages, headers, footers All this should be very flexible: aka it must be easy for a programmer to propose new parameters (for example the logo filename to appear on the title page) to be added to the interface. So I thought maybe the extra information needed to build the interface could be coded in the XSL itself... To be discussed. Anyone interested in that? Camille. master pages, David Cramer wrote: I believe the DocBook wiki is broken at the moment, but yes, having a list somewhere to start from would be useful. My vote would be for a WebHelp output with toc, search, and index tabs in the nav pane. It would be like http://www.thingbag.net/docbook/docbook-webhelp/index.html but better: the toc pane would synchronize with the content (or perhaps it wouldn't be use frames at all, but be more like website's nav mechansim), the search would ideally be more i18nized, etc., and it would be part of the DocBook XSL distribution. David -Original Message- From: Stefan Seefeld [mailto:seef...@sympatico.ca] Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 6:48 PM To: docb...@lists.oasis-open.org; DocBook Apps Mailing List Subject: [docbook-apps] Re: [docbook] DocBook and Google Summer of Code ? Mid-december I sent a mail to this list, suggesting that DocBook applies to participate in Google's Summer of Code program. A couple of people followed up with interest and ideas, so I'd like to send out a little note with some details. Google just sent out this: http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/b rowse_thread/thread/d839c0b02ac15b3f?pli=1 The most important bit is this: We will begin accepting application from would-be mentoring organizations beginning March 8th at approximately 19:00 UTC, with applications closing on March 12th at 23:00 UTC. I would like to suggest that, as a start, we collect project ideas on the wiki. (I was going to do that, then realized that the pages I looked at where marked immutable. May be I'm just lacking enough karma to edit them. Can someone help ? A new GSoCIdeas page would be a good start !) Thanks, Stefan -- ...ich hab' noch einen Koffer in Berlin... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org
