[docbook-apps] Alternatives to MS Arial Unicode for PDF output?

2011-07-08 Thread Paul DuBois
As has been noted on this list, the MS Arial Unicode font is not freely 
downloadable.
For example, from last year:

 From: Ron Catterall r...@catterall.net
 Date: June 7, 2010 10:06:34 AM CDT
 To: Bob Stayton b...@sagehill.net, docbook-apps 
 docbook-apps@lists.oasis-open.org
 Subject: Re: [docbook-apps] Font problem - need 2 font files in Docbook
 Reply-To: r...@catterall.net

...

 A trivial point,
  http://www.sagehill.net/docbookxsl/SpecialChars.html#fontFamilyList
 includes
 the Arial Unicode MS font can be downloaded for free.
 but:
 On 2005-04-11, Ascender Corporation announced it had entered an agreement 
 with Microsoft which enables Ascender to distribute Microsoft fonts, 
 including the Windows Core Fonts, the Microsoft Web Fonts and the many 
 multilingual fonts currently supplied by Microsoft. Called Arial Unicode, it 
 is sold for approximately $99 per 5 users.
 The font is also apparently licensed to Apple, who announced on October 16, 
 2007 that Mac OS X v10.5 (Leopard), would be bundled with Arial Unicode.
 Unfortunately I'm still on 10.4.11
 Also I've been unable to find 'yogh' in the Ascender Arial fontset.

This font was useful for fop, to produce PDFs of documents containing, for 
example, Chinese or Japanese characters.

How are people dealing with the licensing issue noted above? Are there other 
freely-available Unicode fonts offering complete character support?

Or have people chosen to deal with Ascender (which has been bought by 
monotypeimaging.com in the meantime)? Are they reasonable to deal with? Do they 
supply font information in a form that's fop-usable?

(I did search the mailing list archives but didn't see an answer. Apologies if 
this has been answered already, a pointer would be appreciated.)

Thanks.
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Re: [docbook-apps] Alternatives to MS Arial Unicode for PDF output?

2011-07-08 Thread DeanNelson
Paul,
 
We use DejaVu fonts that are freely available from 
_http://dejavu-fonts.org/_ (http://dejavu-fonts.org/) 
 
They have several unicode fonts that incorporate almost all of the unicode  
sets. I have found them very clean and they are continually maintained as  
well.
 
Regards, 
Dean Nelson
 
 
In a message dated 7/8/2011 8:05:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
p...@kitebird.com writes:

As has  been noted on this list, the MS Arial Unicode font is not freely  
downloadable.
For example, from last year:

 From: Ron Catterall  r...@catterall.net
 Date: June 7, 2010 10:06:34 AM CDT
  To: Bob Stayton b...@sagehill.net, docbook-apps  
docbook-apps@lists.oasis-open.org
 Subject: Re: [docbook-apps]  Font problem - need 2 font files in Docbook
 Reply-To:  r...@catterall.net

...

 A trivial point,
   http://www.sagehill.net/docbookxsl/SpecialChars.html#fontFamilyList
  includes
 the Arial Unicode MS font can be downloaded for  free.
 but:
 On 2005-04-11, Ascender Corporation announced it  had entered an 
agreement with Microsoft which enables Ascender to distribute  Microsoft fonts, 
including the Windows Core Fonts, the Microsoft Web Fonts and  the many 
multilingual fonts currently supplied by Microsoft. Called Arial  Unicode, it 
is 
sold for approximately $99 per 5 users.
 The font is  also apparently licensed to Apple, who announced on October 
16, 2007 that Mac  OS X v10.5 (Leopard), would be bundled with Arial 
Unicode.
  Unfortunately I'm still on 10.4.11
 Also I've been unable to find  'yogh' in the Ascender Arial fontset.

This font was useful for fop, to  produce PDFs of documents containing, for 
example, Chinese or Japanese  characters.

How are people dealing with the licensing issue noted  above? Are there 
other freely-available Unicode fonts offering complete  character support?

Or have people chosen to deal with Ascender (which  has been bought by 
monotypeimaging.com in the meantime)? Are they reasonable  to deal with? Do 
they 
supply font information in a form that's  fop-usable?

(I did search the mailing list archives but didn't see an  answer. 
Apologies if this has been answered already, a pointer would be  appreciated.)

Thanks.
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Re: [docbook-apps] Alternatives to MS Arial Unicode for PDF output?

2011-07-08 Thread maxwell
On Fri, 8 Jul 2011 12:05:56 EDT, deannel...@aol.com wrote:
 We use DejaVu fonts that are freely available from 
 _http://dejavu-fonts.org/_ (http://dejavu-fonts.org/) 
  
 They have several unicode fonts that incorporate almost all of the
unicode
 sets. 
 ...
 From: Ron Catterall  r...@catterall.net
 ...
 the Arial Unicode MS font can be downloaded for  free.
 ...
 This font was useful for fop, to  produce PDFs of documents containing,
 for example, Chinese or Japanese  characters.

AFAIK, the DejaVu fonts don't include any CJK characters.  In fact, there
are few if any fonts that cover the entire Unicode range, or even most of
it.  (The only one I know of simply puts up a box containing the code point
of the character--not any glyphs for the character.)  And once you get
beyond Latin or Cyrillic characters, many of the character sets place
extraordinary demands on the rendering system.  Arabic scripts are
connected, and the Nasta'liq versions of Arabic scripts even more so;
glyphs flip over preceding glyphs in many Indic languages, or show up on
both the left and the right of a preceding glyph; and so on.  It's hard to
find a good font for any one such script, much less a font that covers all
or most of them.

That said, you can look here:
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_typefaces

I think the right solution is to use multiple fonts for a document that
contains multiple scripts.  We have that problem with multilingual
documents, and it's reasonably (not completely) straightforward to tag
sequences of characters in this or that Unicode block for the font that
they should use.  (The tags will be dependent on your typesetting system,
of course.)  

   Mike Maxwell

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