Re: [docbook-apps] Tests Framework for DocBook Stylesheets Customizations?
Hi, sorry for the delay. On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 16:04:53 +0200 Jirka Kosek ji...@kosek.cz wrote: On 16.10.2014 10:56, Thomas Schraitle wrote: I'm not sure how easily could this be adapted to our current XSLT 1 base. Are there other (better?) solutions? If you will not use extensions, it should be possible to run DocBook XSLT stylesheets in XSLT 2.0 processor, hence use XSpec. Yes, I've tried it and most of the time it works. :) Unfortunately, if you really depend on extension functions (like the omnipresent exsl:node-set()) you can't avoid it. Have anybody tried a different approach? Python? Ruby? Something else? Thanks anyway! -- Gruß/Regards, Thomas Schraitle - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org
Re: [docbook-apps] Tests Framework for DocBook Stylesheets Customizations?
On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 15:11:27 +0200 Thomas Schraitle tom_s...@web.de wrote: Apart from this technical implementations, I'm more interested in the overall structure. What would be a good test environment for stylesheet customizations? Or even the DocBook stylesheets itself? Start at the bottom? A basic 1.0 transformer and standard docbook? I know Norm et al have test files. How about finding a way to check the actual with expected output (using either XSLT 1 or 2 and 'some form' of checking). Once you start to build up a series of tests that is looking promising, then address integration of a test suite? Perhaps using ant or bash or . whatever? With your (reasonable IMHO) basic Is this there (attribute/element) then I think this approach quite reasonable and XSLT (Schematron?) should suffice without buying xml diff tools. HTH -- regards -- Dave Pawson XSLT XSL-FO FAQ. http://www.dpawson.co.uk - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org
[docbook-apps] Tests Framework for DocBook Stylesheets Customizations?
Hi, when developing customizations for the DocBook stylesheets I have always the feeling I forget something important and work without any safey net. ;) As such, it would be great to have a test framework which could automatically check the transformation results with the expected behaviour. I know of XSpec from Jeni Tennison which goes in this direction. However, as far as I know, this is for XSLT 2, not XSLT 1. It's used for developing and testing the upcoming XSLT 2 DocBook stylesheets. I'm not sure how easily could this be adapted to our current XSLT 1 base. Are there other (better?) solutions? How do *you* develop and test your stylesheets? Has anybody used such frameworks? Any help is greatly appreciated. :) -- Gruß/Regards, Thomas Schraitle - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org
Re: [docbook-apps] Tests Framework for DocBook Stylesheets Customizations?
On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 10:56:11 +0200 Thomas Schraitle tom_s...@web.de wrote: Hi, when developing customizations for the DocBook stylesheets I have always the feeling I forget something important and work without any safey net. ;) As such, it would be great to have a test framework which could automatically check the transformation results with the expected behaviour. I know of XSpec from Jeni Tennison which goes in this direction. However, as far as I know, this is for XSLT 2, not XSLT 1. It's used for developing and testing the upcoming XSLT 2 DocBook stylesheets. I'm not sure how easily could this be adapted to our current XSLT 1 base. Are there other (better?) solutions? How do *you* develop and test your stylesheets? Has anybody used such frameworks? Any help is greatly appreciated. :) xspec is for the general case. Question: Is docbook sufficiently 'firm' to allow a specific solution? I.e. for any given input at the document level, we should be able to specify the 'required' / expected output? That would allow a diff of two files, albeit an XML diff (deep-equals?) which would make for easier testing of the (x)html output. For fo, would the xsl-fo be sufficient? I'd guess so. Hence a similar solution would be adequate. Just my 2cents worth. regards -- regards -- Dave Pawson XSLT XSL-FO FAQ. http://www.dpawson.co.uk - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org
Re: [docbook-apps] Tests Framework for DocBook Stylesheets Customizations?
Hi Dave, thanks for your reply! :) On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 12:25:40 +0100 davep da...@dpawson.co.uk wrote: [...] How do *you* develop and test your stylesheets? Has anybody used such frameworks? Any help is greatly appreciated. :) xspec is for the general case. Question: Is docbook sufficiently 'firm' to allow a specific solution? As Norman used XSpec for the DocBook XSLT2 stylesheets, I would say it is sufficiently firm. ;) I.e. for any given input at the document level, we should be able to specify the 'required' / expected output? That would allow a diff of two files, albeit an XML diff (deep-equals?) which would make for easier testing of the (x)html output. For fo, would the xsl-fo be sufficient? I'd guess so. Hence a similar solution would be adequate. An XML diff came also to my mind. However, as most XML diffs are commercial, I wouldn't recommend it as solution in a purely open source environment. Another reason why I didn't investigate more such power isn't really necessary. I think, in most cases we are only interested in answers of the question is attribute X there?, does attribute X has the value Z?, is this parent-child relationship correct?, or does the expected text show up? If whitespace doesn't matter (in most cases it won't), the XML output could be either a) investigated with an XPath expression, or b) normalized and a normal diff applied. I guess it would be a lot faster than any XML diffs. ;) Apart from this technical implementations, I'm more interested in the overall structure. What would be a good test environment for stylesheet customizations? Or even the DocBook stylesheets itself? It seems to me, the XSLT 1 stylesheets are used a lot and they won't be replaced soon by the XSLT 2 incarnations. If useful and technical possible, why not define/recommend/add some test environment to help contributors and developers? :) -- Gruß/Regards, Thomas Schraitle - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org
Re: [docbook-apps] Tests Framework for DocBook Stylesheets Customizations?
On 16.10.2014 10:56, Thomas Schraitle wrote: I'm not sure how easily could this be adapted to our current XSLT 1 base. Are there other (better?) solutions? If you will not use extensions, it should be possible to run DocBook XSLT stylesheets in XSLT 2.0 processor, hence use XSpec. Jirka -- -- Jirka Kosek e-mail: ji...@kosek.cz http://xmlguru.cz -- Professional XML consulting and training services DocBook customization, custom XSLT/XSL-FO document processing -- OASIS DocBook TC member, W3C Invited Expert, ISO JTC1/SC34 rep. -- Bringing you XML Prague conferencehttp://xmlprague.cz -- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [docbook-apps] Tests Framework for DocBook Stylesheets Customizations?
On Thu, October 16, 2014 9:56 am, Thomas Schraitle wrote: when developing customizations for the DocBook stylesheets I have always the feeling I forget something important and work without any safey net. ;) As such, it would be great to have a test framework which could automatically check the transformation results with the expected behaviour. I know of XSpec from Jeni Tennison which goes in this direction. However, as far as I know, this is for XSLT 2, not XSLT 1. It's used for developing and testing the upcoming XSLT 2 DocBook stylesheets. I'm not sure how easily could this be adapted to our current XSLT 1 base. Are there other (better?) solutions? I have a page about testing XSLT at http://menteithconsulting.com/wiki/TestingXSLT that lists several XSLT 1.0 frameworks. However, as Jirka said, running XSpec on your customisation won't be any different from running a XSLT 2.0 processor directly. How do *you* develop and test your stylesheets? Has anybody used such frameworks? Any help is greatly appreciated. :) For XSLT, I mostly use XSpec (though I still like the model of Juxy). With XSpec, you can use whole documents as input to a test or make a minimal context as part of the XSpec test itself. You could probably write XSpec tests for custom templates easily enough, but if you're setting parameters that have effect all through your output, it would be harder to make assertions about the result. Where the documents are complex and the stylesheets can change a lot, tests can go out-of-date quickly, so there I tend to implement being able to take snapshots of the output and being able to compare the current output against a previous snapshot to see what's changed. If you're producing XSL-FO output, you can use the open-source xmlroff testing module or Antenna House's AHRTS to produce a report of the visual difference between the current formatted output and a reference result. Regards, Tony Graham tgra...@mentea.net Consultant http://www.mentea.net Chair, Print and Page Layout Community Group @ W3CXML Guild member -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Mentea XML, XSL-FO and XSLT consulting, training and programming - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: docbook-apps-h...@lists.oasis-open.org
