Re: Fwd: RE: [libreoffice-documentation] I'm not a spammer!
Hello, Klaus-Jürgen kindly forwarded me your e-mail, so I'll reply inline. Note: Please Cc me on replies, as I do not read this list. K-J LibreOffice wrote on 2013-12-02 08:07: I think I know what's happening. I haven't answered a number of the anti-spam questions correctly, and the time for which I'm blocked is *really* long. What's the blocking message? I haven't configured our Captcha so that it locks users, at least not on purpose, so I'd like to have a look whether that is really the culprit or some other plugin. The problem is that we have heavy spam problems, being one of the largest free software projects. Rather than switching to manual account approval, we decided to leave the registration open, but that means we have to take some provisions. Just as with e-mail spam filtering, they are never 100% perfect, neither in terms of false positives nor false negatives. :-( As for the questions I'm getting wrong, here are some (paraphrasing): What's the 3 letter acronym for this organization? I typed TDF but that wasn't correct. Perhaps it's expecting lower case? TDF in upper case is correct. What's the street abbreviation without number? I typed Kurfürstendamm. No idea what the abbreviation would be since I'm not German. Sorry for that glitch - it indeed contained the old address. The new one has a special character (Umlaut) in it, so I completely removed that question now. What's the phone number for TDF? I've tried 609856720 and 30 609856720. My next try will be +49 30 609856720 That sounds about right. :-) Anyway, long story short, I'd say some of these questions either have unexpected answers or non-obvious ones for English speakers like me. Furthermore, being locked out for a day or more seems excessive :-). Sorry for the bad experience you made, that's definitely not what we intend. I have fixed one of the questions, and if you let me know the exact error message about locking, I am happy to have a look. You can also let me know your desired username, then I create the user manually for you. Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Copy documentation from OpenOffice.org?
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi :) This whole argument is bizarre considering that we seem quite happy to include screen-shots taken on Windows platforms. it's as though we think that MS will never be bothered about us cutting into one of their core profit areas and would never try to find some way of attacking us. We seem more fearful of people who wanted to actively help the community. Regards from Tom :) Tom. Screenshots are considered to be derivative works under US Copyright Law (refer to the US Copyright Act of 1976, Section 101 if you want details). There is nothing wrong with including screenshots (as part of your documentation) of an application running under Windows, OSX, or any other operating system. We are NOT fearful of the community, we want to RESPECT the contributions of the community. You are the only one who is saying anything about court cases and lawyers, and imagining someone attacking LibreOffice. What we are concerned with is respecting the rights and contributions of everyone who has participated in the LibreOffice and Apache Open Office (previously OpernOffice.org) documentation. That's it... nothing more. The ambiguity of the license attached to the existing Apache Open Office documentation is a minor issue that can (reasonably) be managed... and to be honest I consider this issue resolved and closed. Anything more about lawyers and such silliness is bike-shedding http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikeshedding Clayton -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Copy documentation from OpenOffice.org?
Hi :) This whole argument is bizarre considering that we seem quite happy to include screen-shots taken on Windows platforms. it's as though we think that MS will never be bothered about us cutting into one of their core profit areas and would never try to find some way of attacking us. We seem more fearful of people who wanted to actively help the community. Regards from Tom :) On 30 November 2013 22:16, Glen Reesor g...@jenniferandglen.ca wrote: I agree with Jean. I will continue work on translating the French FAQs, using the corresponding AOO English versions to help me understand context when I have difficulty with the French. - Glen On 2013-11-30 13:52, Jean Weber wrote: On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Csmau...@gmail.com wrote: It's not about court cases, it's about respecting the wishes and expectations of people who did contribute under a specific license (or no license). Totally agree with Clayton about that. If we treat legacy documentation content that does not have any explicit license as being under PDL (as much as we may not like PDL), we should be within reason of the original expectations of the original authors. This is compatible with the license statements on the AOO Wiki today. If the PDL is incompatible with the CC-BY-SA licenses in use for LibreOffice, then maybe instead of direct copy/paste, use the content as a starting point... rewrite and update the content to make it relevant to LibreOffice. Does this idea still respect the original author's intentions as well as the expectations of anyone who contributed to the FAQs since they were added to the Wiki? I don't know whether PDL is compatiable with CC-BY-SA. Whether it is or not, I think Clayton's suggestion is best: instead of directly copying the content on the AOO wiki, use it as a starting point and rewrite and update it as needed for LO. That also has the advantage of forcing us to review the material to make sure it's up to date for LO. --Jean -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Next task
Hi Jean Just to let you know I've made a start on the Writer guide for 4.2. Regards JohnS -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Release 4.2 icon set
Jean, Just had a thought on this subject. Are we staying with Galaxy, which I see is no longer listed as Galaxy(default), or are we going with Tango? I know we had this discussion earlier this year, but is it now time to bite the bullet? On another point, is the template being changed from the LO3.4 template?. Again, that was mentioned earlier in the year I think. Regards JohnS -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Release 4.2 icon set
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 3:20 AM, John Smith clicks...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Jean, Just had a thought on this subject. Are we staying with Galaxy, which I see is no longer listed as Galaxy(default), or are we going with Tango? I know we had this discussion earlier this year, but is it now time to bite the bullet? On another point, is the template being changed from the LO3.4 template?. Again, that was mentioned earlier in the year I think. John, Thanks for the nudge about the new template, which I have been working on and should get to the stage of making available to all. Okay, that's my priority task for December. I *will* get this done. Meanwhile, please carry on using the old one. As for the icon set, yes it probably is time to make the change from Galaxy to Tango, unless someone knows a good reason why we should not. (A good reason being something like: the hypothetical situation of the Design Team seriously considering changing to yet another icon set. Note: I have no idea if that is under consideration; I haven't been following design discussions. But might be worth checking if something dramatic is coming up on the design side.) --Jean -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice books discount price
Lulu.com, where the printed copies of the LibreOffice user guides are published and sold, is having a sale: 30% off until midnight on Thursday, December 5, US east coast time. The code is: LULUVIP6131 Direct link to LO books: http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/opendocument Note: the 30% off discount coupon is applied to the prices shown as already being 30% off the List price. And you have to scroll down a bit to find the Getting Started Guide. There are 7 books in total for LO 4.x. Please spread the word, including on other lists, social media, etc. (Of course, PDFs are always free from our website and wiki.) --Jean -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Copy documentation from OpenOffice.org?
One point about screen captures that should be considered in authoring the user guides is eliminate their use in most cases in procedural documentation--and use them only if those instances where they are really useful. Describing the appropriate menu commands with their associated submenu commands should suffice for most of the directions. For some two decades already here in US (and likely most elsewhere) K-12 public and private schools, almost all kids routinely have computer experience by age five or younger. Assuming that the user guides are written for use by functionally literate folk, overloading documentation with screen captures is not much useful nowadays. In addition, not having many such graphics reduces the document size and allows for much easier page formatting, especially for smaller page or display sizes. Gary On 12/2/2013 5:34 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) This whole argument is bizarre considering that we seem quite happy to include screen-shots taken on Windows platforms. it's as though we think that MS will never be bothered about us cutting into one of their core profit areas and would never try to find some way of attacking us. We seem more fearful of people who wanted to actively help the community. Regards from Tom :) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Copy documentation from OpenOffice.org?
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 6:12 AM, C smau...@gmail.com wrote: Screenshots are considered to be derivative works under US Copyright Law (refer to the US Copyright Act of 1976, Section 101 if you want details). There is nothing wrong with including screenshots (as part of your documentation) of an application running under Windows, OSX, or any other operating system. IANAL, but Wikipedia has some interesting notes about software screenshots: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Software_screenshots In particular, they prefer taking screenshots on FOSS operating systems -- even mentioning us :-) In the case of multi-platform programs that are FOSS, and have a visibly similar interface between platforms (such as LibreOffice or GIMP for example), it is preferred that screenshots be taken under a FOSS operating system (such as a Linux distribution). The also note: Please ensure that the demonstration content itself is self-made, freely licensed or in the public domain to prevent the accidental inclusion of non-free content, pointing out that [s]creenshots depicting FOSS on Windows or OS X (or any other commercial operating system) pose the potential for issues with screenshots because they are non-free; They go on to say that while consensus in their project has been that Windows Classic and Win8 Metro themes are too basic for copyright protection, the OSX interface elements and Aero Glass theme may be sufficiently original for protection. As many of you know, Wikipedia licenses their content under the same CC-BY-SA 3.0 Unported license that we use for most of our content*, so their analysis may be quite applicable to our situation. Cheers, --R * IIRC some of our older docs might be under a different license... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Copy documentation from OpenOffice.org?
Gary Schnabl wrote: One point about screen captures that should be considered in authoring the user guides is eliminate their use in most cases in procedural documentation--and use them only if those instances where they are really useful. The virtue of pictures is that they provide ready reference points. Something that is extremely difficult to do, using text alone. Describing the appropriate menu commands with their associated submenu commands should suffice for most of the directions. That works, if and only if: * Every function can be reached using keystrokes; * The precise sequence of keystrokes is always provided; However, more than half of the functions within LibO can not be reached, using keystrokes alone. Assuming that the user guides are written for use by functionally literate folk, a) The typical 2010 college graduate from the United States would fail a sixth grade literacy test in Boston, from 1900, b) The typical educated computer user has never been taught the fundamentals of computing, much less the fundamentals of using an office suite --- any office suite. overloading documentation with screen captures is not much useful nowadays. What is really needed, is one group of people writing documentation, and a second group creating documentation using screen recording software. IOW, one group creates PDFs, and a second group creates videos. jonathon -- Sent from the eating establishment at the Far side of the Universe, at the begining of Time, and at the end of Space. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Copy documentation from OpenOffice.org?
On 3 Dec 2013, at 13:45, Gary Schnabl gschn...@swdetroit.com wrote: One point about screen captures that should be considered in authoring the user guides is eliminate their use in most cases in procedural documentation--and use them only if those instances where they are really useful. Describing the appropriate menu commands with their associated submenu commands should suffice for most of the directions. For some two decades already here in US (and likely most elsewhere) K-12 public and private schools, almost all kids routinely have computer experience by age five or younger. Assuming that the user guides are written for use by functionally literate folk, overloading documentation with screen captures is not much useful nowadays. In addition, not having many such graphics reduces the document size and allows for much easier page formatting, especially for smaller page or display sizes. Gary Many of the people who actually refer to the books keep requesting lots of screenshots and other illustrations. I agree that some of ours are unnecessary, and I often edit them out, but otherwise I believe we are producing what our audience prefers. --Jean -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
