Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Coordination, mentoring, etc
Hi Jean, all, Sorry to not have post before but I was focusing on the LibreOffice conference and wanted to have time to read the mails of the list. So I would like to volunteer to coordinating the work on this project. For those who don't know me, I'm with LibreOffice since the beginning of the project, I'm working for TDF on a paid basis as release coordinator and administrative assistant. On my volunteer time, I used to localize the UI and help of LibreOffice in French, do some QA, and translated some part of the FAQ from French to English. My English is not good enough to write the English documentation, but I quite well know all the parts of this project to be able to help his coordination and help new comers to find their way. Let me know if you would like me to help on this task :) Kind regards Sophie On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 2:49 AM, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: IF people in this group think some coordination and/or mentoring is needed or at least would be useful, the group needs to find someone or several people to do that, do it consistently, and do it well. I do a bit now and then, but I have not been doing it consistently, have no intention of doing it consistently, and will probably be doing even less in future. I've been saying this for months, but is anyone listening? If we can't find one or more volunteers to take on this sort of responsibility, perhaps we should make a case for TDF to fund someone, at least part time? IMO we would need to hire someone with experience in technical communication, project management, and mentoring new team members. Preferably someone with experience coordinating volunteers, so they don't have inappropriate expectations of giving people assignments and getting the work done to a schedule. (No, I'm not looking for a job.) I'm not at all sure that would help enough, because we would still need people who have both the time and knowledge to do the actual work. Our problem, AFAICT, has not been in attracting volunteers. The problem is attracting -- and keeping -- the right volunteers: that is, people with the time and knowledge. BTW, I find it both encouraging and discouraging to note that the AOO Docs group appears to have the same problems that we do. --Jean -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org Tel:+33683901545 Co-founder - Release coordinator Certification Committee Member The Document Foundation -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] problem w/Base Handbook
Hello all, The immediate solution I've adopted is to reference /both/ GS w/Base /and/ the online tutorial in the problematic passage in the Handbook. I will post that chapter for review shortly. As for the long-term issue, there may or may not be one. The question is whether or not we want to keep the English and German documentation in sync, and also if we want to avoid duplication of content in the English documentation. We're dealing here with 4 documents: (1)Getting Started with Base, Chapter 8 in Getting Started with Libreoffice v.3.5 (2)Einfuehrung in Base, Kapitel 8 in Erste Schritte v.3.3 (3)Creating a Relational Database using Base (online tutorial) (4)Getting Started with Base in GS w/LO v.4.2 Items (1),(2), and (3) are all versions of each other; item (4) is substantially different. Apparently the way this happened is that an early version of GSw/B got translated into German as Einfuehrung in Base. That German chapter has stayed the same. When GSw/LO was updated from v.4.1 to v.4.2, the bulk of GSw/B was pulled out and made into an online tutorial, and new material was written and inserted as Chapter 8 of the print guide. The new material contains much more detailed information about how to use the Wizard to create tables than is in the material moved online. Although the online material (item 3) is called a tutorial, the current version of Chapter 8 (GSw/B 4.2) actually seems to me to be more tutorial-like; the steps it offers are more detailed and it includes practice exercises. If we want to keep the English and the German matching each other, the way to do it would be: -- take the current English online tutorial Creating a relational database -- restructure it to resemble the Einfuehrung (this wouldn't require much if any original writing, just moving some things around) -- insert the restructured document into Getting Started with LibreOffice as Chapter 8. We'd then have to decide what to do with the /current/ version of GSw/B (the one that would be getting replaced). One possibility would be to integrate it into the new version. The topics are similar, but integrating it would require a lot of editing. I don't feel qualified to make a decision on how to proceed. Since Jean was involved in writing GSw/B 4.2 and presumably knows how and why the decision was made to branch the tutorial off from the print guide, perhaps we should wait until she's back and get her input. (Hope that wasn't too confusing. It sure confuses me.) Alan On 8/30/2014 10:45 AM, Robert Großkopf wrote: Hi Jean, Robert, does the previous English GS chapter, which is now available as a tutorial, cover the missing info? If so, Alan can just change the references from GS to the tutorial. Or we could include that tutorial in the Handbook as an Appendix; that would work too, perhaps better than sending people to a separate document. But either of those solutions depends on whether the tutorial covers the necessary info. Have downloaded http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/1/13/GS40-GettingStartedLO.pdf. The Base-chapter is the content, which would be missed in the Base-handbook (for example: Creating tables in Design View). So a link to Chapter 8 - Getting started with Base would work also for Base-Handbook 4.2. I will find a better solution in the next Base-Handbuch by copying the missed parts of the German Getting started ... into the chapters of the Base-Handbuch. Haven't seen the Base-Handbuch as a standalone-book. Thought it was a continuation of Getting started. Robert -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Base Handbook Chapter 3
I've uploaded Chapter 3 of the Base Handbook v. 4.2 to http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/base-handbook/drafts_4.2/bh4-2-ch3-tables/view. As with the previous chapter, it needs to be edited for consistency of style and checked carefully against the app for accuracy. Also, it needs English screen captures to replace some of the German ones. These should be done on a Linux (preferable) or Mac installation. Alan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
