Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Embedding images of toolbar button icons within text paragraphs
I would not object. Gordon Bates berrykevin...@gmaill.com github.com/jdoes On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 9:26 PM 驿窗 wrote: > Agree. > > > When I translateed Getting Started Guide 6.0 from English to Simplified > Chinese in 2019, I have to find the source files of those small icons, > which is very troublesome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 2020-06-25 15:22:17, "Steve (GMail)" > wrote: > >All, > > > >First, many apologies if this topic has been discussed before in this > >mailing list. I have a suspicion that it may have been, but I could not > >locate the thread. > > > >The Calc Guide contains many cases where a small image is included in a > >text paragraph, showing the icon that appears on a toolbar button > >mentioned in the paragraph. My view is that these images are undesirable > >for the following reasons: > >I assume that they are included to help the user to identify the > >relevant icon on his screen. However, given that the user is able to > >customize his / her copy of LO by selecting from one of many icon sets > >(via the Tools > Options > LibreOffice > View dialog), I think that in > >many cases the images may hinder a user rather than help. We are in > >danger of confusing and delaying him / her by showing an image of an > >icon that is not displayed on his / her screen.Because these images are > >inevitably taller than the normal line of text, they often cause extra > >white space to appear within text paragraphs which I think is ugly and > >does not improve readability. > >I am not convinced that such images embedded in paragraphs provide the > >reader with any useful information or context and would prefer not to > >use them. Instead I would make sure that every reference to a toolbar > >item names the button correctly and consistently. By correctly, I mean > >that we use exactly the name that appears in the button’s tooltip when > >using the English(US) version of Calc (omitting any mention of shortcut > >key sequences). > > > >Would anybody object if these images were to be removed when we produce > >the 7.0 Calc Guide? > > > >Regards, > > > >Steve > >-- > >To unsubscribe e-mail to: > documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > >Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > >Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > >List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > >Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re:[libreoffice-documentation] Embedding images of toolbar button icons within text paragraphs
Agree. When I translateed Getting Started Guide 6.0 from English to Simplified Chinese in 2019, I have to find the source files of those small icons, which is very troublesome. At 2020-06-25 15:22:17, "Steve (GMail)" wrote: >All, > >First, many apologies if this topic has been discussed before in this >mailing list. I have a suspicion that it may have been, but I could not >locate the thread. > >The Calc Guide contains many cases where a small image is included in a >text paragraph, showing the icon that appears on a toolbar button >mentioned in the paragraph. My view is that these images are undesirable >for the following reasons: >I assume that they are included to help the user to identify the >relevant icon on his screen. However, given that the user is able to >customize his / her copy of LO by selecting from one of many icon sets >(via the Tools > Options > LibreOffice > View dialog), I think that in >many cases the images may hinder a user rather than help. We are in >danger of confusing and delaying him / her by showing an image of an >icon that is not displayed on his / her screen.Because these images are >inevitably taller than the normal line of text, they often cause extra >white space to appear within text paragraphs which I think is ugly and >does not improve readability. >I am not convinced that such images embedded in paragraphs provide the >reader with any useful information or context and would prefer not to >use them. Instead I would make sure that every reference to a toolbar >item names the button correctly and consistently. By correctly, I mean >that we use exactly the name that appears in the button’s tooltip when >using the English(US) version of Calc (omitting any mention of shortcut >key sequences). > >Would anybody object if these images were to be removed when we produce >the 7.0 Calc Guide? > >Regards, > >Steve >-- >To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >Problems? >https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Embedding images of toolbar button icons within text paragraphs
I totally agree with removing inline toolbar button images for those reasons and others, and I have been removing them from the Writer Guide. Saves a lot of work for the book’s maintainer, too. Jean On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 at 18:22 Steve (GMail) wrote: > All, > > First, many apologies if this topic has been discussed before in this > mailing list. I have a suspicion that it may have been, but I could not > locate the thread. > > The Calc Guide contains many cases where a small image is included in a > text paragraph, showing the icon that appears on a toolbar button > mentioned in the paragraph. My view is that these images are undesirable > for the following reasons: > I assume that they are included to help the user to identify the > relevant icon on his screen. However, given that the user is able to > customize his / her copy of LO by selecting from one of many icon sets > (via the Tools > Options > LibreOffice > View dialog), I think that in > many cases the images may hinder a user rather than help. We are in > danger of confusing and delaying him / her by showing an image of an > icon that is not displayed on his / her screen.Because these images are > inevitably taller than the normal line of text, they often cause extra > white space to appear within text paragraphs which I think is ugly and > does not improve readability. > I am not convinced that such images embedded in paragraphs provide the > reader with any useful information or context and would prefer not to > use them. Instead I would make sure that every reference to a toolbar > item names the button correctly and consistently. By correctly, I mean > that we use exactly the name that appears in the button’s tooltip when > using the English(US) version of Calc (omitting any mention of shortcut > key sequences). > > Would anybody object if these images were to be removed when we produce > the 7.0 Calc Guide? > > Regards, > > Steve > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Embedding images of toolbar button icons within text paragraphs
Hello Steve I have to agree with you. Icons are pointless because they can be changed by user. The name in text has to match tool being used. I am not using icons in Impress and Draw guides. Regards Peter Sent from my iPhone > On 25 Jun 2020, at 10:22, Steve (GMail) wrote: > > All, > > First, many apologies if this topic has been discussed before in this mailing > list. I have a suspicion that it may have been, but I could not locate the > thread. > > The Calc Guide contains many cases where a small image is included in a text > paragraph, showing the icon that appears on a toolbar button mentioned in the > paragraph. My view is that these images are undesirable for the following > reasons: > I assume that they are included to help the user to identify the relevant > icon on his screen. However, given that the user is able to customize his / > her copy of LO by selecting from one of many icon sets (via the Tools > > Options > LibreOffice > View dialog), I think that in many cases the images > may hinder a user rather than help. We are in danger of confusing and > delaying him / her by showing an image of an icon that is not displayed on > his / her screen.Because these images are inevitably taller than the normal > line of text, they often cause extra white space to appear within text > paragraphs which I think is ugly and does not improve readability. > I am not convinced that such images embedded in paragraphs provide the reader > with any useful information or context and would prefer not to use them. > Instead I would make sure that every reference to a toolbar item names the > button correctly and consistently. By correctly, I mean that we use exactly > the name that appears in the button’s tooltip when using the English(US) > version of Calc (omitting any mention of shortcut key sequences). > > Would anybody object if these images were to be removed when we produce the > 7.0 Calc Guide? > > Regards, > > Steve > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-documentation] Embedding images of toolbar button icons within text paragraphs
All, First, many apologies if this topic has been discussed before in this mailing list. I have a suspicion that it may have been, but I could not locate the thread. The Calc Guide contains many cases where a small image is included in a text paragraph, showing the icon that appears on a toolbar button mentioned in the paragraph. My view is that these images are undesirable for the following reasons: I assume that they are included to help the user to identify the relevant icon on his screen. However, given that the user is able to customize his / her copy of LO by selecting from one of many icon sets (via the Tools > Options > LibreOffice > View dialog), I think that in many cases the images may hinder a user rather than help. We are in danger of confusing and delaying him / her by showing an image of an icon that is not displayed on his / her screen.Because these images are inevitably taller than the normal line of text, they often cause extra white space to appear within text paragraphs which I think is ugly and does not improve readability. I am not convinced that such images embedded in paragraphs provide the reader with any useful information or context and would prefer not to use them. Instead I would make sure that every reference to a toolbar item names the button correctly and consistently. By correctly, I mean that we use exactly the name that appears in the button’s tooltip when using the English(US) version of Calc (omitting any mention of shortcut key sequences). Would anybody object if these images were to be removed when we produce the 7.0 Calc Guide? Regards, Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
